how is damage buildup rate a downfall. If tht is your logic then you have no idea what ur talking about. buildup rate is what makes a laser so powerful. Do u mean it's to high? But i agree with the less damage to armor part.

The downfall is that it takes a good 2-3 seconds before it does some real damage. That is the damage build up rate. Unlike the laser, an AR does the same damage instantly.

Yea cause 2-3s is only a big deal if you're actually focusing the lazer on them during the buildup as opposed to building up the damage in the air or something from an angle where they wont see the lazer and then just sweeping it onto their bodies which is basically instakill, also unlike other weapons where i dont think having a mouse is that much better, with lazer they are unequivocally superior with a mouse.

I can also take a shotgun and get up in your face for an insta-kill. Either way, if you'd seen me, you would've killed me wway beforehand.


@Jason


Idiot tanks get killed by Lasers.

Lasers do severe damage to tanks over time and u get multiple people and u could destroy tanks. They do 600-700 damage to a tank alone (advanced 1). Much less using proto and maxing it out. U sir do not know your laser rifles do u?

I think you don't. You miss the context, and ignore the fact that Lasers only work in optimal ranges and over a period of time. This is unlike other weapons. I can conveniently say that Breach Forge is OP because it can do insane damage, then "forget" to mention the 6 s charge up

Lasers are ineffective at close range as they do not spray the way AR and SMG do. Get close and you can easily dodge the brunt of the damage - this is their weakness in my experience.

yep it is thts why u carry a powerful sub machine gun.

The best solution to lasers is actually damage build-up based on time on target, not time on lolanything.

That wouldn't make sense.

Why? And how does shooting the ground until my weapon gets hot and thus does more damage to something that wasn't aimed at yet make sense?

@Tiel well the fact that it's constantly heating up may be th logic why it builds up damage

@Icy a damage increase only while keeping the laser on the target makes sense to me and it seems like it's a perfectly good way to balance it out to me.

@Tiel well the fact that it's constantly heating up may be th logic why it builds up damage

@Icy a damage increase only while keeping the laser on the target makes sense to me and it seems like it's a perfectly good way to balance it out to me.

Exactly - fittings in New Eden (as I just said in a different thread) are about trade offs. Want to do massive damage from range? Then you will have no damage in close. Find a way with the rest of your fits to close the gaps and cover the weakness.

Yes I agree with both parts, the first is exactly why it makes sense the rifle builds up heat as it generates an increasing amplitude in wavelength. Remember physics folks, an electron acts both as a particle and a wave. As to the excitability of the of particles as they are being accelerated they jump out of their natural valences into higher ones and eventually as they lose excitability they release energy(often in the form of heat).

Anyway i digress one can argue that by having the lazer on that it builds up this energy and thus damage for duration it is active. Another application is that the beam is in a "steady" state until it has an object/energy source upon which to focus on... In this case the high energy fields required to produce the shield(for which Lazer are supposed to be effective). Any residual damage done to armor would be the effect of the "heat" and not the "partcles/wavelengths" producing interference(on the shields) for those who say well that would break lazer because they take too long to "heat" up to produce damage, they can "tweak/balance" the damage buildup to compensate for the new mechanic.

Have i given you your desired "logic/scientific rationale"?

Does this not have the proper balancing required for the weapon?

The only down side to this of course is that it would no longer be a true area of denial weapon.

Though it would still be useful as an area denial weapon if the "heat buildup" didnt have too rapid a cooldown allowing for chaining of targets within a reasonable time frame.

Also clip and max ammo and other variable would need to be compensated and altered. but all in all we can and should make the LR this type of weapon and have plenty of time to work on it and make it a great weapon that functions well without the ridiculous properties it currently possess.

I will leave only this one caveat.

If the maps sizes become larger than they are now and they have more cover options and all the objectives arent centered around the middle of a bowl and structures high up dont have perfect clear LOS to everything on the map and the LR beam dont bend or otherwise ignore the obstacles upon which players use for cover than MAYBE LR will be fine as is but thats a big maybe

My answer to that idea? It'll make it absolutely f***ing useless as a killing weapon.

Perhaps you need to reread the part where i said damage buidup would need to be adjusted to allow for the new mechanic so it can maintain killing power.

But that doesn't make it a laser anymore does it? Why bother, when an AR can do the same thing? You can't charge an AR in air.

@Tiel well the fact that it's constantly heating up may be th logic why it builds up damage

@Icy a damage increase only while keeping the laser on the target makes sense to me and it seems like it's a perfectly good way to balance it out to me.

If it shoots out a beam of death light it's a laser.

, Heavy's can be melted pretty quick with a laser even thought it is supposedly weak against armor. This may be the best solution.

Just curious how many heavies are actually running Armor tank instead of the Shield tanked heavies?

Many people think that Laser Rifles are overpowered weapons. I believe that they are not, they have downfalls like Damage Build up rate, extremely low efficiency at close range, and a heat build up which causes damage and may even kill oneself if incorrectly handled.

However, a potential solution would be to reduce their effectiveness even more on Armor. This is the main reason people are complaining, Heavy's can be melted pretty quick with a laser even thought it is supposedly weak against armor. This may be the best solution.

The weapon heating up doesn't require that the laser beam be ultimately burning hotter, though. It'd be like a pot on a stove. Just because the pot is getting hotter and water starts boiling, it doesn't mean the flame is now more intense too.