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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
140
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Posted - 2013.01.06 01:36:00 -
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I mean running with your squad shooting guys with a sniper while standing I've only encountered one other sniper that dose this and that's sleepy zan just wondering as I don't see anyone else doing it (mind you I know that some can do this but are stopped by lag) so yeah..........post below my fellow dusters! |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1026
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Posted - 2013.01.06 02:18:00 -
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I do this a lot recently, and my best score has been 19-4, but I was backing up and backed by a good Assault Player. It was a pretty damn nice combo. |
trollsroyce
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
164
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Posted - 2013.01.06 19:29:00 -
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Often, with my heavy sniper setup. 2-shots good assaults or insta kills with hs, roflstomps scouts and if they get close, scrambler pistol is a damn fine last line of defense. Heavy suit and mobile/mid range sniping is damn good fun :) |
Khal V'Rani
Nephilim Initiative
90
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Posted - 2013.01.07 12:27:00 -
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Eh, sometimes. Depends on what's going on tbh. Usually these days when I break out a sniper rifle it's to balance the books with an enemy sniper who's shot me one too many times. I don't always get 'em that match...
Though I do remember you shooting at me on Manus Peak recently Sinboto... Trying to take me Thale from me. Tsk tsk tsk. :p |
steadyhand amarr
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
338
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Posted - 2013.01.07 12:30:00 -
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I do this from time to time if my team is having trouble pushing the points :-) |
Skag Barron
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
52
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Posted - 2013.01.07 12:31:00 -
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I can't seem to get the hang of it. I find that style of sniping in Dust to be harder then in any other FPS I've played todate. Hell even assault sniping in BF3 is easier then in Dust. |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.01.07 13:00:00 -
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Standing snipers just make easier targets IMHO. Snipers are prolly the only people that can see the entire field. They should be calling out stuff and such. We have 3 Red Star snipers that run and snipe. 2 we call the Delta Snipers |
RolyatDerTeufel
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
1648
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Posted - 2013.01.07 13:08:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:I mean running with your squad shooting guys with a sniper while standing I've only encountered one other sniper that dose this and that's sleepy zan just wondering as I don't see anyone else doing it (mind you I know that some can do this but are stopped by lag) so yeah..........post below my fellow dusters!
A few snipers within ROFL do this, I wouldn't allow them in my squad if their sniping with no risk, makes it no fun for anyone tbh.
anyone doing this +1
anyone sitting in the redzone with proto / officer snipers, should try risking more in a game and you might have more fun then waiting for the dot to be red and hitting a button. But yeahhh, people will do what they do. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2013.01.07 13:13:00 -
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RolyatDerTeufel wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:I mean running with your squad shooting guys with a sniper while standing I've only encountered one other sniper that dose this and that's sleepy zan just wondering as I don't see anyone else doing it (mind you I know that some can do this but are stopped by lag) so yeah..........post below my fellow dusters! A few snipers within ROFL do this, I wouldn't allow them in my squad if their sniping with no risk, makes it no fun for anyone tbh. anyone doing this +1 anyone sitting in the redzone with proto / officer snipers, should try risking more in a game and you might have more fun then waiting for the dot to be red and hitting a button. But yeahhh, people will do what they do. Ain't that the truth. Personally, I can't stand sitting around waiting that long, so I have more fun counter-sniping, which is about 3 times as rewarding as far as I'm concerned. Nothing more fun than running around in my profile dampened Scout with my Adv sniper just picking off redline snipers before they even see me. |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.01.07 14:39:00 -
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Definition of a Sniper ;- A sniper is a highly trained marksman who operates alone, in a pair, or a team who maintain close visual contact with the enemy and engages targets from concealed positions or physical distances exceeding the detection capabilities of the enemy personnel, without being detected. These sniper teams operate independently, with little combat asset support from their parent units.
Snipers are meant to cause confusion in the enemy ranks. If any enemy is pushing forward snipers are supposed to push them back. It is supposed to make the enmy think and gues where you are. A good sniper is also well hidden. He is supposed to make the enmy guess his/her position and try and hunt them down. Snipers are also supposed to communicate enemy movements for instance if an enemy is pulling in a tank and how much shield/armor that tank has.
This effectiveness of the sniper is lost when he is running and gunning. It also makes him an easy target. Although this may be fun its not using the snipers full potential. Its the game thing as having a heavy sniping. Totally wasteful.
Sniper across the map takes skill. You have to lead your shots. Anyone who goes 15 kills with a sniper rifle across the map is a good sniper. |
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Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
783
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Posted - 2013.01.07 16:36:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:
Sniper across the map takes skill. You have to lead your shots. Anyone who goes 15 kills with a sniper rifle across the map is a good sniper.
There is no shot leading in dust for any gun except forge guns, railguns, and mass drivers.
Snipers will instantly hit wherever you are aiming (Except for the experimental version, I guess) There really is 0 skill required in sniping atm. It's honestly just point + shoot. No recoil, no sway. No travel time. No drop. There's no challenge to it.
That said, snipers who hide in their own redline are generally beyond useless to their team and I enjoy greatly every chance I get to suicide a suit by going into their redzone and knifing them in the back :)
Also, I find that I have a much easier time sniping standing up. The lack of sway actually seems to mess up my aim more personally, since I'm so used to compensating for it in other games. |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.01.07 20:00:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:There is no shot leading in dust for any gun except forge guns, railguns, and mass drivers.
Snipers will instantly hit wherever you are aiming (Except for the experimental version, I guess) There really is 0 skill required in sniping atm. It's honestly just point + shoot. No recoil, no sway. No travel time. No drop. There's no challenge to it.
LOLTroll. You mean to tell me hittting a moving target is easy and requires no skill. I can understand if the target is standing still. I would like to see you snipe and get 15 + kills and 0 deaths in a match. |
crazy space
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2013.01.07 20:18:00 -
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if you mean stand with squad, yes, if you mean not press triangle before lining up a shot? hell no, run up, pres triangle, take shot, run behind cover, stay with group |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2046
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Posted - 2013.01.07 20:29:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Definition of a Sniper ;- A sniper is a highly trained marksman who operates alone, in a pair, or a team who maintain close visual contact with the enemy and engages targets from concealed positions or physical distances exceeding the detection capabilities of the enemy personnel, without being detected. These sniper teams operate independently, with little combat asset support from their parent units.
Snipers are meant to cause confusion in the enemy ranks. If any enemy is pushing forward snipers are supposed to push them back. It is supposed to make the enmy think and gues where you are. A good sniper is also well hidden. He is supposed to make the enmy guess his/her position and try and hunt them down. Snipers are also supposed to communicate enemy movements for instance if an enemy is pulling in a tank and how much shield/armor that tank has.
This effectiveness of the sniper is lost when he is running and gunning. It also makes him an easy target. Although this may be fun its not using the snipers full potential. Its the game thing as having a heavy sniping. Totally wasteful.
Sniper across the map takes skill. You have to lead your shots. Anyone who goes 15 kills with a sniper rifle across the map is a good sniper. Fine smart guy technically it's called a designated marksman
And the only leading you have to do is to compensate for lag and the distance you have to lead remains constant no matter the range, I really don't think traditional sniping takes skill atm. Not until they add ballistics instead of hit-scan for snipers.
Also would like to mention that the effectiveness of sniping from a vantage point is usually overrated and probably won't serve an effective purpose until we get larger maps. You can go 40-0 sniping from a mountain top and your team can still suffer horribly. Usually another man on the ground makes more of a difference, I have tested it over and over again. |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.01.07 21:16:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Fine smart guy technically it's called a designated marksman And the only leading you have to do is to compensate for lag and the distance you have to lead remains constant no matter the range, I really don't think traditional sniping takes skill atm. Not until they add ballistics instead of hit-scan for snipers. Also would like to mention that the effectiveness of sniping from a vantage point is usually overrated and probably won't serve an effective purpose until we get larger maps. You can go 40-0 sniping from a mountain top and your team can still suffer horribly. Usually another man on the ground makes more of a difference, I have tested it over and over again.
Sniping in this game is broken. In all the FPS games I have played sniping is generally an OHK. Here it is not unless you line up a headshot. Generally its 2 shots. Unless you are shooting at someone standing still, you have to anticipate the players movements.
With that said sniping across maps is generally 400 mts or more. Its not only lag and distance that you have to compenstate over here but also sensitivity of the controller. Thats in the gaming world. In the real world there are factors such as wind speed, your location, breathing, mounts, distance to your target, type of gunpowder used and the earths magnetic field.
There also other factors to consider such as dropsuit loadouts and enemy skill levels. Have you ever tried to snipe a dude with his proto gear on and kill him? How many snipers in this game can say that they have killed experienced players in proto gear? It would take a minimum of 3 rounds to take someone like that out. Now please tell me thats easy and anyone can do it?
And how is a sniper usefull if he is in he middle of the battle and cant spot the battle ground. How can he relate to his team that there are 5 red dots heading towards A? You may as well put an AR and move forward in the field.
Snipers are meant to cause havoc in the enemy lines. Divide and conqour. Confuse and confound. These are a snipers themes.
With that said there are scrub snipers out in the game. Barring Gem Cutter I yet have to see a really good sniper in this game. There are a few average snipers out there and I would put the ones that atleast get the kills. And then there are the scrub snipers that cant do anything for **** and who go 2-0, 3-0, 4-1.
In the end we can agree to disagree. |
Ner'Zul Nexhawk
Talos Incorporated
153
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Posted - 2013.01.07 23:17:00 -
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Just yesterday I played in the same squad with a guy who did exactly what you're describing. And he was not bad at all. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2046
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Posted - 2013.01.07 23:35:00 -
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OK let me work my magic here
Sentient Archon wrote:Sniping in this game is broken. In all the FPS games I have played sniping is generally an OHK. Here it is not unless you line up a headshot. Generally its 2 shots. Unless you are shooting at someone standing still, you have to anticipate the players movements. First off I hope you don't think that sniping is broken simply because you can't OHK people without a headshot. Before they nerfed the skill bonuses for sniping one complex damage mod on an ishukeone could OHK most suits and frankly it was insanely OP and easy. Where the damage is at right now is fine imo, snipers should have to 2 shot people with a body shot unless they fit enough complex damage mods and risk being downed in one shot themselves.
Sentient Archon wrote:With that said sniping across maps is generally 400 ms or more. Its not only lag and distance that you have to compenstate over here but also sensitivity of the controller. That's in the gaming world. In the real world there are factors such as wind speed, your location, breathing, mounts, distance to your target, type of gunpowder used and the earths magnetic field. Yeah I have to adjust my sensativity at times depending on the distance and it can be annoying, but I adapt and so can others. Also while yes the factors to consider with real life sniping are insane and even somewhat of an art imo I don't know why you bothered comparing it to a video game.
Sentient Archon wrote:There also other factors to consider such as dropsuit loadouts and enemy skill levels. Have you ever tried to snipe a dude with his proto gear on and kill him? How many snipers in this game can say that they have killed experienced players in proto gear? It would take a minimum of 3 rounds to take someone like that out. Now please tell me that's easy and anyone can do it? I have eaten many protosuits with my sniper and experienced players, including protobear corpmates, it's definitely more of a challenge because they have a tendency to move around alot and tank their suits but it's far from impossible.
Sentient Archon wrote:And how is a sniper usefull if he is in he middle of the battle and cant spot the battle ground. How can he relate to his team that there are 5 red dots heading towards A? You may as well put an AR and move forward in the field.Snipers are meant to cause havoc in the enemy lines. Divide and conqour. Confuse and confound. These are a snipers themes. Well right now due to the small maps it's very easy to get intel on the ground with the network of eyes you can work off of. Also I like the sniper over a generic AR, besides having an easier time countering other snipers it has other advantages as well
When we get larger maps I feel there will be more use for traditional sniping.
Sentient Archon wrote:With that said there are scrub snipers out in the game. Barring Gem Cutter I yet have to see a really good sniper in this game. There are a few average snipers out there and I would put the ones that atleast get the kills. And then there are the scrub snipers that cant do anything for **** and who go 2-0, 3-0, 4-1. yes |
Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
914
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Posted - 2013.01.07 23:59:00 -
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I haven't sniped in the last two builds as I have been working to improve my gun game close up, but I can tell you that there are good snipers out there, I consistently went 15- or 20- and only 2 or 3 deaths previously. I remember one match where Sleepy and I went a combined 54-0 (he probably doesn't remember it, if he even remembers who I am).
That said, there are a lot of snipers that could use some work, there are some good ones, then there are a few great ones (Sleepy and Gem come to mind off the top of my head). |
Greasepalms
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
70
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Posted - 2013.01.07 23:59:00 -
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do you snipe sitting down? |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1026
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Posted - 2013.01.08 00:01:00 -
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If you use a Thale and camp you can leave. If you run around with a tactical cool. |
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Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
914
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Posted - 2013.01.08 00:01:00 -
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Greasepalms wrote:do you snipe sitting down?
Depended on the circumstances. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2046
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Posted - 2013.01.08 00:14:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:I haven't sniped in the last two builds as I have been working to improve my gun game close up, but I can tell you that there are good snipers out there, I consistently went 15- or 20- and only 2 or 3 deaths previously. I remember one match where Sleepy and I went a combined 54-0 (he probably doesn't remember it, if he even remembers who I am).
That said, there are a lot of snipers that could use some work, there are some good ones, then there are a few great ones (Sleepy and Gem come to mind off the top of my head). Damn sorry man don't remember that particular match but I remember most people who have sniped me in the past. |
Kira Lannister
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
711
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Posted - 2013.01.08 00:17:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Sentient Archon wrote:Definition of a Sniper ;- A sniper is a highly trained marksman who operates alone, in a pair, or a team who maintain close visual contact with the enemy and engages targets from concealed positions or physical distances exceeding the detection capabilities of the enemy personnel, without being detected. These sniper teams operate independently, with little combat asset support from their parent units.
Snipers are meant to cause confusion in the enemy ranks. If any enemy is pushing forward snipers are supposed to push them back. It is supposed to make the enmy think and gues where you are. A good sniper is also well hidden. He is supposed to make the enmy guess his/her position and try and hunt them down. Snipers are also supposed to communicate enemy movements for instance if an enemy is pulling in a tank and how much shield/armor that tank has.
This effectiveness of the sniper is lost when he is running and gunning. It also makes him an easy target. Although this may be fun its not using the snipers full potential. Its the game thing as having a heavy sniping. Totally wasteful.
Sniper across the map takes skill. You have to lead your shots. Anyone who goes 15 kills with a sniper rifle across the map is a good sniper. Fine smart guy technically it's called a designated marksman And the only leading you have to do is to compensate for lag and the distance you have to lead remains constant no matter the range, I really don't think traditional sniping takes skill atm. Not until they add ballistics instead of hit-scan for snipers. Also would like to mention that the effectiveness of sniping from a vantage point is usually overrated and probably won't serve an effective purpose until we get larger maps. You can go 40-0 sniping from a mountain top and your team can still suffer horribly. Usually another man on the ground makes more of a difference, I have tested it over and over again.
I've seen this snipe monster red line under the mcc standing, strafing, and sniping the innocent clones that drop down to the burn zone. RIGHT IN THEIR FACE
It's a cool story. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2013.01.08 00:22:00 -
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Went 17-0 (sitting down) and giving overwatch from my super-secret sniper perch. Well, it isn't hard to find, but nobody else ever goes there. Weird, because you can see almost the entire battlefield from there. |
Dominus Fatali
Nox Aeterna Security
34
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Posted - 2013.01.08 00:23:00 -
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I don't know if any of you guys have played with (or against) me, or if you remember playing with (or against) me, but I am wondering if what I do is considered helpful to the team. I despise redline blueberry hill snippers as much as the next merc, and I just hope that my contributions to the team are able to offset any negative aspects of my performance.
tl;dr: Am I one of 'those snippers'? |
steadyhand amarr
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
338
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Posted - 2013.01.08 00:44:00 -
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the one thing in my mind that makes a usefully sniper and hillbilly sniper are usefully snipers spend the whole match relaying info to their team, and covering any ground movments. and when poop hits the fan they can make that kill shot that saves your life, or kills that one dude that allows your team to swarm in. Thats what makes sleepy so dam good, its not the fact he goes 40-0 its the fact those 40 kills were the right 40 kills.
also tonight he shot a dude midair saving my ass. with only like 5 seconds to make aim shot with and me screaming the down the mic. "SLEEPY SLEEEPY BEHIND ME OH GOD BEHIND ME" |
Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
914
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Posted - 2013.01.08 01:24:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:I haven't sniped in the last two builds as I have been working to improve my gun game close up, but I can tell you that there are good snipers out there, I consistently went 15- or 20- and only 2 or 3 deaths previously. I remember one match where Sleepy and I went a combined 54-0 (he probably doesn't remember it, if he even remembers who I am).
That said, there are a lot of snipers that could use some work, there are some good ones, then there are a few great ones (Sleepy and Gem come to mind off the top of my head). Damn sorry man don't remember that particular match but I remember most people who have sniped me in the past. we were on the same side which would contribute to not remembering. I was pretty stoked that I almost kept up with you. Think you had 31 kills and I had 24.? |
Khal V'Rani
Nephilim Initiative
90
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Posted - 2013.01.08 02:04:00 -
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I'd like to add, there's a real world difference between a Sniper and a Designated Marksman. At least in the US Army. A Sniper is that long distance concealed position guy whereas the designated marksman runs with a squad and provides counter sniping and precision shots on difficult targets.
They really are two different things. I honestly think if you're going to run with a squad to provide designated marksman capabilities you should max out sharpshooting w/pro and use a tactical rifle. That way you provide more utility for the team. But that's just me... |
Overlord Ulath
Doomheim
85
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Posted - 2013.01.08 02:07:00 -
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I don't consider myself a good sniper. In fact I don't consider myself a sniper at all, I just enjoy sniping on the side for sport. My best straight sniping match I went 36/2, but I usually only average in the lower to mid twenties.
Credentials our of the way, I do know that it's irritating to have people hill hopping while the rest of you are fighting face to face. But while sniping from up close is more engaging and exciting, some people like to sit back and relax while sniping. Just follow the red dots with the cross hair and decide on a whim whether or not to pull the trigger. It's relaxing and even challenging at times when trying to drop one of the really good movers out there.
Long story short, don't pressure people to leave their perch to heavily. You may want to **** and moan about it, but it's a public match. If you don't want people on your team wasting time in the hills, do corp battles and don't take any snipers in. =P
Besides, while it may seem they would be more useful up close, they may not have the skill for "active sniping" and end up just getting in the way or killed repeatedly.. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2046
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Posted - 2013.01.08 03:11:00 -
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Kira Lannister wrote:I've seen this snipe monster red line under the mcc standing, strafing, and sniping the innocent clones that drop down to the burn zone. RIGHT IN THEIR FACE
It's a cool story. lol good times |
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