DUST Search - Where are the drop ships?

Caeli SineDeo wrote:

Baal Roo wrote:

NovaShadowStorm wrote:

The dark cloud wrote:

reason why you barelay see any dropships:
-militia forgegun
-swarms are now even more BS cause of the tracking pattern which screws them over now
(yes they fly around corners even more now on ground vehicles)
-missile launcher nerf rendered those turrets useless
-new physics when you touch the ground or any object with to much speed you end up as a burning pinata
-blueberrys still dont jump out of dropships
-no WP for pilots even when a mobile CRU is attached to it (spawning on a dropship)

now you see those are all big issues at the moment and the only counter against swarms is the afterburner module. If you dont have that you will get shot down extreme fast by the starter fit which has a swarm launcher on it.

You neglected to mention how the controls are absolutely horrible to handle and you'll lose more ships to yourself being unable to fly it right before you even make it to the battlefield

no, he didn't. The controls are fine. Difficult to learn, but extremely maneuverable once you take the time to get a grasp of it.

Maneuverablity is **** on dropships compared to precursor. And the controls are easy also compared to precursor. I am sorry but i want harder controls that reward for skill.

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Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2013.01.06 01:58:00 - [31] - Quote Mr Zitro wrote: Baal Roo wrote: Mr Zitro wrote: Baal Roo wrote: The controls ARE difficult to learn, just look at how many guys immediately blow themselves up the first few times they call a DS in. We're just jaded due to flying the things for months No have you seen the player base? It's the special Olympics it's irrelevant really. For the player base, the DS is difficult to learn. It does matter, anyone with half a brain can fly a DS. Just because its hard for a stupid person to do something easy doesn't make it hard I get that you believe you've built up some sort of videogame gun shooting cred, and that belittling other players somehow helps to bolster that in some way. Frankly though, it just makes your opinion seem less relevant to the discussion. Clearly, many folks have difficulty learning to fly dropships, and how awesome you are at it, or how easy you or I may find it doesn't change that. Neither does it make the players who find it difficult "stupid". If you'd learn to lighten up on the hyperbole, and stop using every post you make as an exercise in passive aggressive ego stroking, people might take you more seriously.
Caeli SineDeo Imperfects Negative-Feedback 294	Posted - 2013.01.06 02:02:00 - [32] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: the dropship seems to me the same like on codex when it comes to flight mechanics. They are not as easy like on the E3 but still you have to learn it how to actually fly them properly. But seeing that most people dont know how to shot their guns properly i expect that it aswell goes for dropships. Well when i see a dropship it usually has a 20 secs flight time due to beeing instantly hit by the guys who allways spawn with their free swarm launcher fit or they just hit the ground/wall and turn into a big ball of fire. The good pilots doesnt use them cause they will allways end up the bottom on the scoreboard with a poor payout. Codex flight mechanics are crap. We actually had good ones in precursor where skill was rewarded. @Baal Roo sorry but flying is not a thing the unskilled players should be able to do. It should be the hardest career to take up but once mastered the most rewarding.
Mr Zitro Imperfects Negative-Feedback 417	Posted - 2013.01.06 02:06:00 - [33] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: Mr Zitro wrote: Baal Roo wrote: Mr Zitro wrote: Baal Roo wrote: The controls ARE difficult to learn, just look at how many guys immediately blow themselves up the first few times they call a DS in. We're just jaded due to flying the things for months No have you seen the player base? It's the special Olympics it's irrelevant really. For the player base, the DS is difficult to learn. It does matter, anyone with half a brain can fly a DS. Just because its hard for a stupid person to do something easy doesn't make it hard I get that you believe you've built up some sort of videogame gun shooting cred, and that belittling other players somehow helps to bolster that in some way. Frankly though, it just makes your opinion seem less relevant to the discussion. Clearly, many folks have difficulty learning to fly dropships, and how awesome you are at it, or how easy you or I may find it doesn't change that. Neither does it make the players who find it difficult "stupid". If you'd learn to lighten up on the hyperbole, and stop using every post you make as an exercise in passive aggressive ego stroking, people might take you more seriously. You need to stop sugar coating stuff. These players are not kids! And when you have no credibility what so ever and you talk about serious I only think "lol this guy is stupid" if you want everyone to be nice and walk you through stuff go play little big planet
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2013.01.06 02:07:00 - [34] - Quote Caeli SineDeo wrote: @Baal Roo sorry but flying is not a thing the unskilled players should be able to do. It should be the hardest career to take up but once mastered the most rewarding. There's no reason to apologize, I completely agree with you on this point.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2013.01.06 02:17:00 - [35] - Quote Mr Zitro wrote: Baal Roo wrote: Mr Zitro wrote: Baal Roo wrote: Mr Zitro wrote: No have you seen the player base? It's the special Olympics it's irrelevant really. For the player base, the DS is difficult to learn. It does matter, anyone with half a brain can fly a DS. Just because its hard for a stupid person to do something easy doesn't make it hard I get that you believe you've built up some sort of videogame gun shooting cred, and that belittling other players somehow helps to bolster that in some way. Frankly though, it just makes your opinion seem less relevant to the discussion. Clearly, many folks have difficulty learning to fly dropships, and how awesome you are at it, or how easy you or I may find it doesn't change that. Neither does it make the players who find it difficult "stupid". If you'd learn to lighten up on the hyperbole, and stop using every post you make as an exercise in passive aggressive ego stroking, people might take you more seriously. You need to stop sugar coating stuff. These players are not kids! And when you have no credibility what so ever and you talk about serious I only think "lol this guy is stupid" if you want everyone to be nice and walk you through stuff go play little big planet I don't see how that's in any way relevant to what I'm saying. The reality is, a lot of guys find DSs difficult to learn at first. How easy you or I find them doesn't change that fact. If you honestly believe that a person's competence with flying a videogame airship relates to their intelligence level, then the joke is on you. I find playing a guitar quite easy, but that doesn't mean you're stupid if you don't know how to play a D# the first time you pick up a guitar. Your posts exude a basic lack of perspective that undermines your opinions.
Mr Zitro Imperfects Negative-Feedback 417	Posted - 2013.01.06 02:27:00 - [36] - Quote What's so hard about a vehicle that have about 3 controls.. Up, down and angle... And if you want to add camera angle that's not hard! Simple as that, you make it seem like the pilot has is managing a family. I'm calling people stupid DS pilots but you I'm just calling you plain stupid
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2013.01.06 03:04:00 - [37] - Quote Mr Zitro wrote: What's so hard about a vehicle that have about 3 controls.. Up, down and angle... And if you want to add camera angle that's not hard! Simple as that, you make it seem like the pilot has is managing a family. I'm calling people stupid DS pilots but you I'm just calling you plain stupid Maybe I am stupid, it's really the only explanation I can think of to explain why I would attempt to have a normal adult conversation with you.
Razer Mikio Hateful Munitions 5	Posted - 2013.02.13 17:00:00 - [38] - Quote As a dedicated DS pilot here is my .02 isk worth of ideals... 1.) The controls are fine, they are difficult enough to keep any ol player from picking up the DS, this is important because we want "boots on the ground", plus it means that we dont have 2000000 drop ships acting as gun boats every match. If you cant learn to fly, then you should figure something else out, I feel like you could always go tanks.. or just shoot stuff... Also, learning to play a guitar and learning to fly is two different things, flying is much more difficult then playing a guitar, and yes if you pick up a guitar and cant play a D# you are ******..... considering there are four ways to play that cord, and only one way to fly.... your arguing a persons ability to find "spacial reasoning" is as equal as a persons ability to put their fingers in a specific place and strum strings..... Everyone can pour concrete not everyone can design buildings. Flying is hard, and it takes a specific type of mind to do it.... hence why something like 3.3 million dollars is spent on our pilots for the armed forces.... its not easy... and even dumbing it down in a video game its still harder... I dont want halo drop ships, I want drop ships that are rewarding to fly, just like you like to go 12/2 to show your skill... me being able to straf around a building and then set it down on the roof, is a show man ship of my dedication to the flying. 2.) WE NEEEEEEEEED an eject button, people just sit in our DS waiting for a gunner spot to open... This is not kewl, considering your DS can easily take up to half of the team in it... so you have half the team in your DS, waiting on a gunner spot.... and not doing anything. 3.) We are not rewarded enough for using drop ships, why do I want to put 500-1m on the line just to get 200k - 300k if we win? Eve is all about risk/reward.. I would never take a 20m ship to anything where I only stood to get 1m out of it? Thats ****.... Plus we only get WP if our gunners manage to get a kill or two? My corp asks me all the time why I fly them.. and I always have to respond "so you guys can win the game", because short of maybe 2 or 3 assist depending on how good the enemy team is, thats all I get.. I find my self with scores like 2-0, or 1-1...... just because I killed a couple dudes while waiting on my DS. 4.) The collision is fine.... Its simple.. if you crash into stuff in the air you go to the ground.. if you go to the ground to hard you blow up... this should be logical... stop hitting stuff and control your speed and your craft.... I can land pretty much any DS on a dime with no issues.... do not complain to the mechanics of the game because you are a bad pilot.. control your craft. 5.) There will always be morons that dont want in the vechiles, they don't trust the pilots... bad pilots in a myriad of other games has ruined their taste... they feel like they are just gonna fly around for a few seconds and then die... and they are better off just walking there.. or they feel like they are "missing out on the action" because of it. This is something that can never be helped. There will always be these "solo people" who feel like just because they have a good score they contributed the most to the match... see CoD, Halo, and other "non objective based shooters" for the reasons behind this. 7.) CCP needs to do a better job of making people understand that this is not a "gun game" we are not playing CoD or Halo, where the focus is completely on foot combat, we are playing a "war game" where the focus is put on using the tools that you have to win..... If you come from CoD or Halo, or whatever, I understand, but this is not that game... you should go back there if all you want to do is run around and gun stuff... Where as I think a lot of focus should be put on the gun game, there has to be other aspects of the game too.. there are other archetypes, and other ways to play, and these deserve just as much love. 8.) Also, just do like all other games do, and make each person join their team voice when the game starts... this will at least help a bit of people..... though not many cause people will still selfishly ignore you, thinking they know far better then you, even though you have swooped around the battlefield, and you can tell they are running into 5+ reds, solo..... then they *** tha
Zaitsev Savior PSU GHOST SYNDICATE 2	Posted - 2013.02.13 18:58:00 - [39] - Quote Its not worth the hassel to use a dropship right now. I can make more isk and more WP as a foot soldier than a pilot. We need more ways to gain WP. -when people spawn in our mobile CRU we should get WP -Driving people around we should get 1WP every 5 seconds per person riding shotgun. We also need a better defense. Driving DS is hard, the controls are clunky and hard to get used to. We need Chaff flares to dodge rockets. Some kind of secondary shield to deflect forge blasts. A higher ceiling would be good too, so we can actually transport people without getting raped on the spot. Give us an eject signal, something that we can press and it would show the passengers an eject message telling them to get the hell off. Making the DS more involved in battle would be good too. Stronger turrets that actually kill people. A tank can take you out in a few blasts but you'll be super lucky if a dropship can do the same using the same turrets. Give us a super expensive EMP blast weapon. You'll definitely see more DS if you could use an EMP blast against your enemy. Give the pilot control of a turret also so that he/she can shoot guys.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1903	Posted - 2013.02.13 19:08:00 - [40] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: Too many blueberries without comms who can't figure out when to get in or out. I fly DS pretty regularly, and rarely get knocked out of the sky, but damn if it isn't irritating when you land next to 4-8 blueberries all standing around and they just scatter, or even run AROUND the dropship and head to the next objective. And then there's when you've got 4-6 guys in the ship, fly over enemy objective with no reds in sight, and everyone just sits in the ship, hoping the gunners will jump and they can snag a gun spot. Preach it brotha! Can I get an AMEN!?!? Baal Roo wrote: Mr Zitro wrote: What's so hard about a vehicle that have about 3 controls.. Up, down and angle... And if you want to add camera angle that's not hard! Simple as that, you make it seem like the pilot has is managing a family. I'm calling people stupid DS pilots but you I'm just calling you plain stupid Maybe I am stupid, it's really the only explanation I can think of to explain why I would attempt to have a normal adult conversation with you. Better make that two...

Kalkervik Factory Fresh 5	Posted - 2013.02.13 19:32:00 - [41] - Quote Out of curiosity, what was the change to the controls?
General Erick Onslaught Inc 24	Posted - 2013.02.13 20:24:00 - [42] - Quote Frank Devine wrote: Where are all the drop ships that once roamed that battle field? Did everyone stop using them because of the cost or what? I miss being able to hitch a ride up high. Because they made them so goddamn hard to control.
Preacher Death 2 IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 20	Posted - 2013.02.13 20:32:00 - [43] - Quote I occasionally pull one out just to fly around for fun. The only problem people don't get in and they don't get out. Also keyboard and mouse controls are horrible. Hopefully the will give me the ability to control pitch and roll with my mouse.
Razer Mikio Hateful Munitions 5	Posted - 2013.02.13 21:46:00 - [44] - Quote General Erick wrote: Frank Devine wrote: Where are all the drop ships that once roamed that battle field? Did everyone stop using them because of the cost or what? I miss being able to hitch a ride up high. Because they made them so goddamn hard to control. naa.. they fixed them....
Caeli SineDeo Imperfects Negative-Feedback 294	Posted - 2013.02.13 21:55:00 - [45] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: NovaShadowStorm wrote: The dark cloud wrote: reason why you barelay see any dropships: -militia forgegun -swarms are now even more BS cause of the tracking pattern which screws them over now (yes they fly around corners even more now on ground vehicles) -missile launcher nerf rendered those turrets useless -new physics when you touch the ground or any object with to much speed you end up as a burning pinata -blueberrys still dont jump out of dropships -no WP for pilots even when a mobile CRU is attached to it (spawning on a dropship) now you see those are all big issues at the moment and the only counter against swarms is the afterburner module. If you dont have that you will get shot down extreme fast by the starter fit which has a swarm launcher on it. You neglected to mention how the controls are absolutely horrible to handle and you'll lose more ships to yourself being unable to fly it right before you even make it to the battlefield no, he didn't. The controls are fine. Difficult to learn, but extremely maneuverable once you take the time to get a grasp of it. Maneuverablity is **** on dropships compared to precursor. And the controls are easy also compared to precursor. I am sorry but i want harder controls that reward for skill.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2013.02.13 23:12:00 - [46] - Quote Caeli SineDeo wrote: Baal Roo wrote: NovaShadowStorm wrote: The dark cloud wrote: reason why you barelay see any dropships: -militia forgegun -swarms are now even more BS cause of the tracking pattern which screws them over now (yes they fly around corners even more now on ground vehicles) -missile launcher nerf rendered those turrets useless -new physics when you touch the ground or any object with to much speed you end up as a burning pinata -blueberrys still dont jump out of dropships -no WP for pilots even when a mobile CRU is attached to it (spawning on a dropship) now you see those are all big issues at the moment and the only counter against swarms is the afterburner module. If you dont have that you will get shot down extreme fast by the starter fit which has a swarm launcher on it. You neglected to mention how the controls are absolutely horrible to handle and you'll lose more ships to yourself being unable to fly it right before you even make it to the battlefield no, he didn't. The controls are fine. Difficult to learn, but extremely maneuverable once you take the time to get a grasp of it. Maneuverablity is **** on dropships compared to precursor. And the controls are easy also compared to precursor. I am sorry but i want harder controls that reward for skill. I was a dropship pilot during precursor, and I completely agree about the old controls. We also need that assist system they keep promising us!
crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2013.02.14 00:14:00 - [47] - Quote Dropships will be useful once the next patch comes in and the other 4 guys in the dropship will be allowed to fire their personal weapons while flying around. You want to take out a tank? get 3 forge gunners on the left side of your dropship and fly into a postition where they have a clear shot
The Dragon Ascendant Celtic Anarchy 101	Posted - 2013.02.14 00:18:00 - [48] - Quote Frank Devine wrote: Where are all the drop ships. They're on the ground, burning.
Thumb Green Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 21	Posted - 2013.02.14 02:06:00 - [49] - Quote I don't understand why anyone wouldn't know when to jump out of one. The only time I've been in one was in ambush on the map with the two hangers (C and D in skirmish) when I spawned inside one somehow while it was moving. When it stopped moving I jumped out; partly because I figured it was the DS's destination and partly because I was worried about getting shot out of the sky. I landed on the structure with the crane in the middle of the map and took out a couple of guys up there before another one killed me. Could it be they don't know you can do that inertia thing at times other than jumping out the MCC and are worried about the fall damage? I know I was worried about it when moving on high edges until I accidentally fell off and pressed x by instinct.
Nomed Deeps The Exemplars 91	Posted - 2013.02.14 02:13:00 - [50] - Quote In pub matches, being a dropship pilot is high risk for very little reward which is why I am not surprised they are not seen much. Dropship pilots should receive WP for going to selected rally points but they don't. Dropship pilots get no WP/SP for what they do. I have a fleet of dropships yet only use them to get to annoying enemies (mostly snipers) in high areas. I do use them quite a bit in corp battles though.

Patoman Radiant ZionTCD Legacy Rising 53	Posted - 2013.02.14 02:58:00 - [51] - Quote Suck or not they are just not a good solo pwn-mobile tanks are A tank you have a main gun, and can drive. They also tank better (which makes sense being they are not made of light materials used for planes) A drop-ships main advantage is its ability carry a whole squad of six, to fight at least one person needs to gun, idealy two. Between getting more WP's (more isk) and surviving more, and killing more (lpadding KD raito) a tank wins for a pub match.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2013.02.14 03:07:00 - [52] - Quote Patoman Radiant wrote: Suck or not they are just not a good solo pwn-mobile tanks are A tank you have a main gun, and can drive. They also tank better (which makes sense being they are not made of light materials used for planes) A drop-ships main advantage is its ability carry a whole squad of six, to fight at least one person needs to gun, idealy two. Between getting more WP's (more isk) and surviving more, and killing more (lpadding KD raito) a tank wins for a pub match. Why would anyone try to solo in a dropship? The strength of them is to drop a bunch of shotgunners and HMGers on top of the enemy.


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