Remember in Codex..each tier was separated by a complex damage mod? Militia was 30, Gek was 33, and duvolle was 36. Now, they are separated by an enhanced damaged mod.

That is why the militia grade was bumped up.

Exile x 1.05 = GEK.
GEK x 1.05 = Duvolle

Realizing this...I'm not sure how I feel about the changes now. Because the militia wasn't buffed just to buff it.....but to ensure that the difference between the weapons were uniform (percentage-wise).

Any significance of this to you guys?

My translation of what you just wrote, we dumbed the game down to cater kids who don't understand the game

Exile isn't militia (probably know this) and militia has twelve less bullets so it is still a bad gun to run. Interested in seeing how they fix this problem of no one using ADV or PROTO. I'm guessing a sizable price drop. Once this and customization comes the QQing over flattening might disapate.

Exile isn't militia (probably know this) and militia has twelve less bullets so it is still a bad gun to run. Interested in seeing how they fix this problem of no one using ADV or PROTO. I'm guessing a sizable price drop. Once this and customization comes the QQing over flattening might disapate.

My translation of what you just wrote, we dumbed the game down to cater kids who don't understand the game

Nerfing prices is a terrible fix.

We are trying to play a game that requires risk. Without some ISK on the table when you fight whats the point?

Rebuff the weapons.

Helps me understand how flat this game is, it's like a 12 year old girl flat and boring

Remember in Codex..each tier was separated by a complex damage mod? Militia was 30, Gek was 33, and duvolle was 36. Now, they are separated by an enhanced damaged mod.

That is why the militia grade was bumped up.

Exile x 1.05 = GEK.
GEK x 1.05 = Duvolle

Realizing this...I'm not sure how I feel about the changes now. Because the militia wasn't buffed just to buff it.....but to ensure that the difference between the weapons were uniform (percentage-wise).

Any significance of this to you guys?

Nerfing prices is a terrible fix.

We are trying to play a game that requires risk. Without some ISK on the table when you fight whats the point?

Rebuff the weapons.

Do you not recall the huge price increase on AR's way back when? AR's used to be cheaper until CCP realized they were worth a lot more at higher levels. If you consider that the gap was shrunk and now the difference is dimmunitive so that now the higher levels are worth less, it only makes sense that the price should shrink back as well.

Exile, militia, STD...all hit at 31hp, which is the point.

Nope,that just makes too much sense.

Seriously though,if CCP really thought that advanced and proto AR's were a problem,they should have just continued to raise the price on them to make them cost what they were really worth,instead of nerfing them to hell and making them almost completely worthless.

I'm really beginning to notice that CCP doesn't have a real concept of how to value thing in this game.Not just weapons,but skills as well.

You're just talking about damage, but what about the Duvoil's accuracy ? Long range ? And it does need skill to use it properly with iron sight...

Well, it does not sound bad to me, but you're not totally wrong...

Back in the day ppl complained that those with proto gear were gods because of extra health and weapons were god like because ther used to be a few pts difference between each lvl so proto was like 10pts if nt more than the basic

But the community said no and that the scrub starting out should have a chance in milita gear and soon the plague spread across to everything including vehicles

Now we dont bother skilling up for anything half the time or even getting out of milita because milita can do the same job as proto except better because its free

Back in the day the Weaponry skill magnified the difference between the weapon tiers by 5%/lvl iirc, now it's only 2%/lvl.

This whole discussion has been skewed by the fact that we're all jammed into the same matches together and adjustments are being made by CCP not only on the basis of player wailing, but also on the basis of beta testing and game design.

The next build is the one that will get reviewed by everyone and their dog, by then we've gotta have a tier system that works for noobs and vets.

Personally I really like Ydubbs81 RND Enhanced+Militia 8% difference between the levels. It means a merc can have next-tier weapon performance, but with seriously suit-gimping consequences.

However, it's not that easy. If we're serious about pitching the idea to CCP, all the other weapon stats(but NOT what they cost in ISK) need to be part of the argument too. And I don't think we've analyzed what differences exist for these extra variables between the racial variants that are coming(3 more for each weapon!).

Remember in Codex..each tier was separated by a complex damage mod? Militia was 30, Gek was 33, and duvolle was 36. Now, they are separated by an enhanced damaged mod.

That is why the militia grade was bumped up.

Exile x 1.05 = GEK.
GEK x 1.05 = Duvolle

Realizing this...I'm not sure how I feel about the changes now. Because the militia wasn't buffed just to buff it.....but to ensure that the difference between the weapons were uniform (percentage-wise).

Any significance of this to you guys?

All the grousing about not understanding arithmetic aside this was good.

Have you done the math on anything else?
How does throwing Skill Levels into the mix change things?

Or to ones who are bad at the game?