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I-Shayz-I ZionTCD Legacy Rising 172	Posted - 2013.01.02 10:41:00 - [1] - Quote Let's not make this a hate thread okay? This isn't directed at any one specific person or group. I just wanted to point out that when I'm playing a match alongside some of the really good corporations I get a really low placement on the boards. Not to mention the game starts to feel boring and too easy, or frustrating and difficult Yet, when these corporations are not in the same battle as I am, I'm almost always on the very top in terms of warpoints (I play medic). The game feels perfect and full of challenges this way. I support teamwork 100%. When I see a good corp on the top of the scoreboard, it lets me know that they were working together and playing together as a team should. The problem is that this kind of gameplay rewards the one group at the top, and the rest of us get little to no warpoints even though we're all on the same team. I might do wonderful that match and be the best blueberry on the team, but still be thousands of wp away from someone in a corp. ____________________ I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm a good player, and I wish that everyone on the same team worked together as a team instead of a bunch of little teams everywhere. ...or maybe I just need to join one of these corporations to make better use of my skills, except that I don't know which corporation would suit me best :/ Edit: maybe low sec battles will help balance this out? Edit again: I play medic a ton and get an average of 1000 wp in an ambush, 1500 in skirmish. I know how to get wp, but I can only get wp if my team is still being challenged by the opponent instead of beating the other team into the group. _____________________ Edit one last time: I'm not asking for advice or help or how I'm supposed to get better, I just want your opinion on powerful players ON YOUR TEAM doing all the work instead of working with you. (and maybe if you think I need to just join one of these corps instead of playing as a blueberry)
Xander Mercy SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 91	Posted - 2013.01.02 10:43:00 - [2] - Quote arent u in the war ravens?
skinn trayde On The Brink 82	Posted - 2013.01.02 10:47:00 - [3] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: arent u in the war ravens? my thought too. If your current corp isn't right for you then you should move on, if your corp feels right for you but not doing what you need then it's the wrong corp. I'm not bashing WR, just wondering if they are the right people for you.
Noraa Anderson Nox Aeterna Security 184	Posted - 2013.01.02 10:50:00 - [4] - Quote Okay, of course it's boring when matches are unbalanced no matter which team you're on, but without corps having somewhere to go there is nothing that can be done about that at the moment.
I-Shayz-I ZionTCD Legacy Rising 172	Posted - 2013.01.02 10:52:00 - [5] - Quote I joined with no intentions on staying, just wanted to try out what it was like to be on the same team with people, and to actually have people to talk to with mics They were also the first corp to personally invite me for recognizing my effectiveness at being a squad leader.
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2013.01.02 11:02:00 - [6] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: I joined with no intentions on staying, just wanted to try out what it was like to be on the same team with people, and to actually have people to talk to with mics They were also the first corp to personally invite me for recognizing my effectiveness at being a squad leader. do you want a tinfoil hat for setting a defend order on your teammate
I-Shayz-I ZionTCD Legacy Rising 172	Posted - 2013.01.02 11:11:00 - [7] - Quote xprotoman23 wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: I joined with no intentions on staying, just wanted to try out what it was like to be on the same team with people, and to actually have people to talk to with mics They were also the first corp to personally invite me for recognizing my effectiveness at being a squad leader. do you want a tinfoil hat for setting a defend order on your teammate And a tinfoil bowtie to go with it. Squad leader is much more than setting orders, and seeing as 95/100 squad leaders in random battles don't even place a single order, I would say my efforts are worthwhile. Communication is much more important. I still have yet to find a player with a mic who is both communicating to the team and being a squad leader...probably because most of them are in decent corporations and only communicate there.
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 248	Posted - 2013.01.02 11:15:00 - [8] - Quote OP Wrote: "and the rest of us get little to no warpoints even though we're all on the same team." No-one cannot take away your chance of getting warpoints. Yes, getting to finish the kills is very much harder, but kills aren't the only source of wp's. Go with the kill squad and hack, chances are you get to do that. Set up links, put nanohives in tactical positions, take out red/neut turrets etc etc... Especially use medkit (nanite injector) to pick people up! You'll help a lot and get a TON of wp!
Yagihige Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 173	Posted - 2013.01.02 11:19:00 - [9] - Quote If someone is able to come in and make your usual game feel like average, maybe it's time you wonder what they're doing differently so that they get top place and completely trample over you. And no, it's not just that there's 4 of them in the same room. I run solo, in fact my corp is a one man army, and even if not every single game, most games i'm entirely capable of finishing level or above whichever corp squad you can think of. Sure, some instill a lot of respect and make the game a lot more challenging but they're not doing anything that i can't try to mimic. As an aside, i've learned to memorize the WarRavens name because i highly dislike it when i run into them in-game. I don't actually remember the OP, but other members of that corp appear to insist on being useless snipers and i detest them more when they're on my team. There were a handful of games in succession where i almost knew beforehand how the match would play out and the gist of it would be that whatever team they were in, it would lose. Either i'd be running around trying to hack objectives alone while a bunch sat on hills and would lose or i'd feel mosquito stings all match long and win. It was even worse when there was also some guy from a corp named Rubber Chicken Bombers. This merry group will get KDRs like 8-0, 14-0, 7-0, but i'd trade that for people who get out of the comfort zone deep in the mountains everytime.
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 248	Posted - 2013.01.02 11:22:00 - [10] - Quote I agree the worst games are where the hostile team is redlined and give up on trying to break out. Fighting at the opposing redline is bad already but that is the worst. I actually enjoy being redlined myself and consider a challenge to break out! (even though I honestly don't remember last time I got redlined, excluding the joining into game in progress, as there's always at least some uplinks. But bit offtopic, sry)

Ranger SnakeBlood OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 126	Posted - 2013.01.02 11:22:00 - [11] - Quote In personal experience if a big and well organised corp has the enemy red lined its often best to stay away from the redline and patrol around the objectives is the enemy is smart (i know its assuming alot) they will try and sneak around to cap a CRU or place drop uplink if you can catch them at it before the spot you they often are confident after clearing the redline so they most likly wont see it coming and be using cheap suits to minamise risk. This also has the added bonus of a weaker redline if a few people do it there fore the chances of the well organised redline may fall goes up so the match may become interesting again
I-Shayz-I ZionTCD Legacy Rising 172	Posted - 2013.01.02 11:29:00 - [12] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: No-one cannot take away your chance of getting warpoints. Yes, getting to finish the kills is very much harder, but kills aren't the only source of wp's. lol I'm an awesome medic, but if a corporation is on my team kicking the opponenet to the ground, where are the dead guys for me to revive? Where are the people for me to heal? If it's a skirmish, where are the objectives for me to hack when my team is spawn camping the enemy base?
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 285	Posted - 2013.01.02 11:51:00 - [13] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: No-one cannot take away your chance of getting warpoints. Yes, getting to finish the kills is very much harder, but kills aren't the only source of wp's. lol I'm an awesome medic, but if a corporation is on my team kicking the opponenet to the ground, where are the dead guys for me to revive? Where are the people for me to heal? If it's a skirmish, where are the objectives for me to hack when my team is spawn camping the enemy base? It sounds like you're more upset about unbalanced games. Otherwise you just seem to be complaining that you can't compete with organised/skilled players.
Guinevere Bravo SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 140	Posted - 2013.01.02 12:16:00 - [14] - Quote If your playing a medic successfully then you should be pulling a minimum of 1k WP a game. With a Tech I suit and three pieces of equipment. Try running nanohives / repair tool / injector. You get more points for a rez then you do a kill, onced rezzed armor repair them suckers and nanohives speak for themselves, you just have to get it into a position with high traffic and make sure there not hidden round the corner (as for some reason they dont show up unless your staring at them). If you are redlined then a Tech II suit with an uplink / injector(Armor repair tool) will also pull in the points. If you need any help message me in game.
I-Shayz-I ZionTCD Legacy Rising 172	Posted - 2013.01.02 12:37:00 - [15] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: It sounds like you're more upset about unbalanced games. Otherwise you just seem to be complaining that you can't compete with organised/skilled players. If a large corporation is playing alongside any team, there is a big gap between the warpoint totals of that corporation and the rest of the team. Not only this, but the lack of enemies to kill and friendlies to support also makes the gameplay less challenging because that corporation is doing exceedingly well. So is my best solution to join a corp like this that will allow me to put my abilities to use? because I know for a fact that playing as a skilled blueberry will never be as effective as playing as a skilled corp member. I don't like this. It makes me feel like I HAVE to be a part of a corporation.
I-Shayz-I ZionTCD Legacy Rising 172	Posted - 2013.01.02 12:43:00 - [16] - Quote Guinevere Bravo wrote: If your playing a medic successfully then you should be pulling a minimum of 1k WP a game. With a Tech I suit and three pieces of equipment. ... If you need any help message me in game. Thank you, but I didn't ask for help or advice since I'm pretty sure I know how to play the position well. The reason I SOMETIMES can't get that minimum (like I keep telling everyone) is because larger corporations on my side prevent the opposing team from getting kills and such, leaving me with hardly anything to do but throw ammo around. Edit: Double post, I realize this >.>
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Legacy Rising 914	Posted - 2013.01.02 14:06:00 - [17] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Guinevere Bravo wrote: If your playing a medic successfully then you should be pulling a minimum of 1k WP a game. With a Tech I suit and three pieces of equipment. ... If you need any help message me in game. Thank you, but I didn't ask for help or advice since I'm pretty sure I know how to play the position well. The reason I SOMETIMES can't get that minimum (like I keep telling everyone) is because larger corporations on my side prevent the opposing team from getting kills and such, leaving me with hardly anything to do but throw ammo around. Edit: Double post, I realize this >.> I-Shayz-I, check your mail in game.
KryptixX Imperfects Negative-Feedback 320	Posted - 2013.01.02 14:15:00 - [18] - Quote The general player base in this game is so bad all you need is a squad of 4 competent people to pubstomp.
Cyn Bruin Imperfects Negative-Feedback 651	Posted - 2013.01.02 15:04:00 - [19] - Quote Using comms while in squad is huge. If i'm soloing I never use any kind of comms, but always use them in corp squads. There have been quite a few threads about using team comms etc. IMO there is no pt. to using them as noone will listen or just troll when you do.
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 432	Posted - 2013.01.02 15:53:00 - [20] - Quote not really sure what the OP's question is.. but yea when i'm with my corp i do consistently better. asking for the blue dots to be worth a crap is asking to be handed the moon and sun. it's foolish to rely on them for a second. i also play my share of random solo ambush in militia gear because is good to practice not having any help if you go into it with the mindset that your kdr is gonna probly suck it's not that dissapointing when it does, but i'm there solo for the practice not to pad a stat that's gonna be wiped anyway. sometimes i prefer solo to squad drama anyway and there's no one you have to worry about impressing.

NAV HIV The Generals 151	Posted - 2013.01.02 17:06:00 - [21] - Quote Everyone loves a Medic and Logi. Good job and keep up the good work. But there are some issues with your post IMO. 1. Self Promo 2. Loyalty issues 3. Self Promo I had great games with high scores and terrible ones with terrible scores. But that didnt make me Jump ships cause I wasnt on the top 5 every single time Or my team was being redlined/redlining... You think you are going to be on top of the list if you jump ships and find a larger corp? No Offense, but its a little ****
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Legacy Rising 914	Posted - 2013.01.02 17:14:00 - [22] - Quote Cyn Bruin wrote: Using comms while in squad is huge. If i'm soloing I never use any kind of comms, but always use them in corp squads. There have been quite a few threads about using team comms etc. IMO there is no pt. to using them as noone will listen or just troll when you do. Hey Cyn, I agree with you - most people don't respond on comms when you are on team. It is rare, and a lot of them do like to troll. There are times, very rarely however, when you do find a quality player on team comms. That said, I rarely join them anymore either.
NAV HIV The Generals 151	Posted - 2013.01.02 17:19:00 - [23] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: Cyn Bruin wrote: Using comms while in squad is huge. If i'm soloing I never use any kind of comms, but always use them in corp squads. There have been quite a few threads about using team comms etc. IMO there is no pt. to using them as noone will listen or just troll when you do. Hey Cyn, I agree with you - most people don't respond on comms when you are on team. It is rare, and a lot of them do like to troll. There are times, very rarely however, when you do find a quality player on team comms. That said, I rarely join them anymore either. Sometimes they try to give you lecture on two on tactics and end up with 2/14 LOL I gave up on it
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 285	Posted - 2013.01.02 17:46:00 - [24] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: [quote=Chunky Munkey] So is my best solution to join a corp like this that will allow me to put my abilities to use? because I know for a fact that playing as a skilled blueberry will never be as effective as playing as a skilled corp member. I don't like this. It makes me feel like I HAVE to be a part of a corporation. I don't mean to sound insincere, but why spec into a support role and then object to having a dedicated team to support? If you want to be able to sprint around solo, helping random blueberries, that just isn't going to happen. If you aren't happy with this, then Dust just isn't the game for you.
Zen Gravit WarRavens 11	Posted - 2013.01.02 17:46:00 - [25] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Everyone loves a Medic and Logi. Good job and keep up the good work. But there are some issues with your post IMO. 1. Self Promo 2. Loyalty issues 3. Self Promo I had great games with high scores and terrible ones with terrible scores. But that didnt make me Jump ships cause I wasnt on the top 5 every single time Or my team was being redlined/redlining... You think you are going to be on top of the list if you jump ships and find a larger corp? No Offense, but its a little **** Well said NAV. Shayz, I don't think I've had a chance to squad with you yet but I don't know why anyone would complain that the team they're on is doing well. As one of the "useless snipers" that Yagihige mentioned, if my preferred role doesn't seem to currently be of much use I have no problem swapping to a different fitting that is useful. Being part of a team means doing what it takes to help the team, and that doesn't always mean playing your preferred style.
NAV HIV The Generals 151	Posted - 2013.01.02 18:21:00 - [26] - Quote Zen Gravit wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Everyone loves a Medic and Logi. Good job and keep up the good work. But there are some issues with your post IMO. 1. Self Promo 2. Loyalty issues 3. Self Promo I had great games with high scores and terrible ones with terrible scores. But that didnt make me Jump ships cause I wasnt on the top 5 every single time Or my team was being redlined/redlining... You think you are going to be on top of the list if you jump ships and find a larger corp? No Offense, but its a little **** Well said NAV. Shayz, I don't think I've had a chance to squad with you yet but I don't know why anyone would complain that the team they're on is doing well. As one of the "useless snipers" that Yagihige mentioned, if my preferred role doesn't seem to currently be of much use I have no problem swapping to a different fitting that is useful. Being part of a team means doing what it takes to help the team, and that doesn't always mean playing your preferred style. Exactly. I have played against and with War Raven players and had some good battles. So i guess he just wants to be famous?!
I-Shayz-I ZionTCD Legacy Rising 172	Posted - 2013.01.02 20:32:00 - [27] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Everyone loves a Medic and Logi. Good job and keep up the good work. But there are some issues with your post IMO. 1. Self Promo 2. Loyalty issues 3. Self Promo I had great games with high scores and terrible ones with terrible scores. But that didnt make me Jump ships cause I wasnt on the top 5 every single time Or my team was being redlined/redlining... You think you are going to be on top of the list if you jump ships and find a larger corp? No Offense, but its a little **** Well I can understand where you're getting that from, but I'm sincerely not trying to do that. If you read the replies to this post you can see why I keep editing this post to tell people more about me. People keep replying to me saying that I'm doing bad because I'm not being a good logistics player, or that I'm just complaining about everything. Neither are true, and so in order to explain myself better I have to give people some factual information. That's it, nothing more. The other thing is that I am bad with dedication. I don't want to join a corp because I want to be in that corp, I'd rather be invited. I'm not saying that I don't want to be with the WarRavens, but I'm not supporting or dedicating myself to that corp.
NAV HIV The Generals 151	Posted - 2013.01.03 15:25:00 - [28] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Everyone loves a Medic and Logi. Good job and keep up the good work. But there are some issues with your post IMO. 1. Self Promo 2. Loyalty issues 3. Self Promo I had great games with high scores and terrible ones with terrible scores. But that didnt make me Jump ships cause I wasnt on the top 5 every single time Or my team was being redlined/redlining... You think you are going to be on top of the list if you jump ships and find a larger corp? No Offense, but its a little **** Well I can understand where you're getting that from, but I'm sincerely not trying to do that. If you read the replies to this post you can see why I keep editing this post to tell people more about me. People keep replying to me saying that I'm doing bad because I'm not being a good logistics player, or that I'm just complaining about everything. Neither are true, and so in order to explain myself better I have to give people some factual information. That's it, nothing more. The other thing is that I am bad with dedication. I don't want to join a corp because I want to be in that corp, I'd rather be invited. I'm not saying that I don't want to be with the WarRavens, but I'm not supporting or dedicating myself to that corp. Thats good to know. But You ran a very good recruitment process IMO. If you wanted to be a part of a bigger CORP you could've just gone to recruitment page applied or asked for it or shown them how great you are. Rather than creating such a big drama. I guess this is the way of the MERC, to act like pr*ck. But Loayalty is Loyalty IMO.
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2013.01.03 15:32:00 - [29] - Quote With rants like this you might find it hard for a good corp to reel you in. I hear Bad Furry is in the same boat too.
NAV HIV The Generals 151	Posted - 2013.01.03 15:34:00 - [30] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: With rants like this you might find it hard for a good corp to reel you in. I hear Bad Furry is in the same boat too. I believe he was successful in his campaign. A CORP did recruit this over talented MERC.

I-Shayz-I ZionTCD Legacy Rising 172	Posted - 2013.01.04 01:48:00 - [31] - Quote Yeah, I did just get into Zion the other day.
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 288	Posted - 2013.01.04 02:22:00 - [32] - Quote Yeah, there seems to be roughly two types of matches. One where you are on the team that knows what it's doing, therefore domination is extremely easy (too easy). Or you are on the team opposing the team that knows what they are doing, and your team get's its rear handed to them 10 times over. Both scenarios are not that exciting, although the former is 'better' since the loss of suits is much less of a possibility and it allows for easy KDR padding. Every once in a while both teams are pretty even, and it makes for a tense and exciting fight all the way down to the last second of gameplay. Those are definitely the best.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2013.01.04 02:35:00 - [33] - Quote We need a winning bonus.
Major Assitch Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 103	Posted - 2013.01.04 04:40:00 - [34] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Yeah, there seems to be roughly two types of matches. One where you are on the team that knows what it's doing, therefore domination is extremely easy (too easy). Or you are on the team opposing the team that knows what they are doing, and your team get's its rear handed to them 10 times over. Both scenarios are not that exciting, although the former is 'better' since the loss of suits is much less of a possibility and it allows for easy KDR padding. Every once in a while both teams are pretty even, and it makes for a tense and exciting fight all the way down to the last second of gameplay. Those are definitely the best. Agree with everything! Hopefully they will have a greatly improved matchmaking system in the next build. The only thing worse than the boredom of completely dominating the enemy is adding the frustration of being totally dominated by the enemy. One of these 2 things describes about 90% of matches now (at least for me in Skirmish, which is all I play). The other 10% of matches that are evenly pitted create incredible excitement. Hopefully the next build will have the percentages reversed so that 90% are exciting...100% would be ideal! Off topic...but another thing I hope for is that CCP can really bring this whole thing together soon. From the first time I played 6 months ago until now it's just never felt like the game is complete and whole. It's like several different pieces of a game thrown together just to give people something to do. Of course I understand this is beta and hopefully we're only seeing pieces and parts for a reason. Hopefully there is a complete and whole game somewhere over at CCP studio. Right now it's just kind of bland and blah...no different than any other multiplayer shooter with the standard 'tacked-on' feeling that's so familiar. Just battle after battle with no real purpose or meaning for doing so other than to get more stuff for your character. I think it's going to take much more than just knowing that the battles have meaning somewhere in the universe. Some visual indicators, some options and consequences for the choices made...these things are just a few that will need to be implemented in some meaningful way IMO. I want to go into a battle feeling like the end result has some kind of real reward/encouragement for winning or some sense of real loss/punishment for losing. Not sure how they plan to do this but much needs to be done to make the game feel important and like what we're doing really matters for something bigger than gaining some cash/SP/gear/weapons/etc. The simple knowledge that winning battles is important to someone in the universe that's playing some other game somewhere just might not be enough to create real excitement IMO. I would like to see something real and really important right here in the world of Dust514!


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