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        |  Major Assitch
 Royal Uhlans
 Amarr Empire
 
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      | Posted - 2012.12.31 21:30:00 -
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 I have over 1,200,000 SP that I spent most on things I wish I wouldn't have while figuring out the game. Now I'm wondering if it's possible to rebuild from scratch with all of those SP?
 
 Would deleting my character get me all of those SP back to re-allocate in other areas?
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        |  SoTa PoP
 Internal Error.
 Negative-Feedback
 
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      | Posted - 2012.12.31 21:32:00 -
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 Major Assitch wrote:I have over 1,200,000 SP that I spent most on things I wish I wouldn't have while figuring out the game. Now I'm wondering if it's possible to rebuild from scratch with all of those SP?
 Would deleting my character get me all of those SP back to re-allocate in other areas?
 Sad to say it doesn't. All SP put down currently is perma. I'm sure in the future they'll use AUR at increasing prices so people can respec.
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        |  ArMaGeDoN The Cat
 Systems Federation
 Coalition of Galactic Unity
 
 157
 
 
      | Posted - 2012.12.31 21:32:00 -
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 no to every question.
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        |  Unit-775
 Villore Sec Ops
 Gallente Federation
 
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      | Posted - 2012.12.31 21:36:00 -
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 SoTa PoP wrote:Major Assitch wrote:I have over 1,200,000 SP that I spent most on things I wish I wouldn't have while figuring out the game. Now I'm wondering if it's possible to rebuild from scratch with all of those SP?
 Would deleting my character get me all of those SP back to re-allocate in other areas?
 Sad to say it doesn't. All SP put down currently is perma. I'm sure in the future they'll use AUR at increasing prices so people can respec. 
 i hope they wont ever allow for any respec-¦s at all. This would break some of the major aspects of this game.
 Think about suddenly everybody respecs for the current FOTM.
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        |  Major Assitch
 Royal Uhlans
 Amarr Empire
 
 103
 
 
      | Posted - 2012.12.31 21:36:00 -
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 SoTa PoP wrote:Major Assitch wrote:I have over 1,200,000 SP that I spent most on things I wish I wouldn't have while figuring out the game. Now I'm wondering if it's possible to rebuild from scratch with all of those SP?
 Would deleting my character get me all of those SP back to re-allocate in other areas?
 Sad to say it doesn't. All SP put down currently is perma. I'm sure in the future they'll use AUR at increasing prices so people can respec. 
 Ya...probably so...just hoped it was possible now. When I first started p[laying I was just trying to keep all of my skills level so ended up wasting a lot of SP in areas I shouldn't have.
 
 Another question...Does AUR reset with each new build? I think it was supposed to once the final release comes but not sure about each new beta build. I've been in the beta for several months now but really just started playing in this past week or so and not sure what happens with a new build.
 
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        |  Anyanka Shadowmane
 Sanmatar Kelkoons
 Minmatar Republic
 
 80
 
 
      | Posted - 2012.12.31 21:37:00 -
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 SoTa PoP wrote:Major Assitch wrote:I have over 1,200,000 SP that I spent most on things I wish I wouldn't have while figuring out the game. Now I'm wondering if it's possible to rebuild from scratch with all of those SP?
 Would deleting my character get me all of those SP back to re-allocate in other areas?
 Sad to say it doesn't. All SP put down currently is perma. I'm sure in the future they'll use AUR at increasing prices so people can respec. To be honest, I doubt it. I don't believe that function exists within EVE, and I doubt it'll be implemented in Dust.
 
 However, at this stage in the BEta, you might be in luck, there is likely to be a character reset at some point in the future. We'll get to respend all our SP and get any AUR we've bought back along with any reward items we may have received.
 
 But after that, it's likely to be the last one til the game goes live and all our characters are wiped completely.
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        |  SoTa PoP
 Internal Error.
 Negative-Feedback
 
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      | Posted - 2012.12.31 21:37:00 -
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 Unit-775 wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Major Assitch wrote:I have over 1,200,000 SP that I spent most on things I wish I wouldn't have while figuring out the game. Now I'm wondering if it's possible to rebuild from scratch with all of those SP?
 Would deleting my character get me all of those SP back to re-allocate in other areas?
 Sad to say it doesn't. All SP put down currently is perma. I'm sure in the future they'll use AUR at increasing prices so people can respec. i hope they wont ever allow for any respec-¦s at all. This would break some of the major aspects of this game. Think about suddenly everybody respecs for the current FOTM. Yea I agree - but it's a part of the MMO experience that CCP claims they're trying to integrate. People make mistakes - it shouldn't cost them a week of grinding.
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        |  SoTa PoP
 Internal Error.
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      | Posted - 2012.12.31 21:42:00 -
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 Quote:Another question...Does AUR reset with each new build?
 
 No - it's refunded each reset.
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        |  Major Assitch
 Royal Uhlans
 Amarr Empire
 
 103
 
 
      | Posted - 2012.12.31 21:45:00 -
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 Unit-775 wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Major Assitch wrote:I have over 1,200,000 SP that I spent most on things I wish I wouldn't have while figuring out the game. Now I'm wondering if it's possible to rebuild from scratch with all of those SP?
 Would deleting my character get me all of those SP back to re-allocate in other areas?
 Sad to say it doesn't. All SP put down currently is perma. I'm sure in the future they'll use AUR at increasing prices so people can respec. i hope they wont ever allow for any respec-¦s at all. This would break some of the major aspects of this game. Think about suddenly everybody respecs for the current FOTM. I know it seems like it would break the game but that probably isn't true. I remember when they implemented it in another, similar game I used to play and I was certain it would break the game but it really ended up not being as big a deal as many of us had feared.
 
 I suppose it doesn't really matter all that much right now since it's still beta. Everything will be reset in the final release anyway so we'll be able to make up for mistakes made now once the real game is released. It's good to have this chance to play around a little and make those mistakes before it really counts.
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        |  The dark cloud
 Seraphim Initiative.
 CRONOS.
 
 1060
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.01 02:12:00 -
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 I suppose this "certain game" was called MAG.
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        |  Odiain Suliis
 ZionTCD
 Legacy Rising
 
 112
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.01 02:22:00 -
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 Respcking SP, absolutely no.
 
 The choices you make matter, you should think asses and plan how to allocate your SP. This being permanent, non-refundable, makes this so that there is consecuences for your actions. One which is a huge deal in New Eden universe.
 
 Yes, you make mistakes. Learn from them, adapt, cope, deal with it. And chances are that if you did spend SP into something you have reaped benefits from it.
 
 By making re-specs available you essentially take away the reason why players need to specialise, by allowing everybody do the same things.
 
 Also not all MMOs do re-spec.(EVE)
 
 And final thing, absolutely NO AUR re-specs.
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        |  Cerebral Wolf Jr
 Immobile Infantry
 
 760
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.01 14:19:00 -
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 SoTa PoP wrote:Major Assitch wrote:I have over 1,200,000 SP that I spent most on things I wish I wouldn't have while figuring out the game. Now I'm wondering if it's possible to rebuild from scratch with all of those SP?
 Would deleting my character get me all of those SP back to re-allocate in other areas?
 Sad to say it doesn't. All SP put down currently is perma. I'm sure in the future they'll use AUR at increasing prices so people can respec. Never going to happen. Part of the cause and effect of New Eden as that everything has a consequence. Including ******* up where you put your SP.
 
 It will eventually come in handy anyway when you max out your main specialisations.
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        |  Altina McAlterson
 TRUE TEA BAGGERS
 
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      | Posted - 2013.01.01 14:33:00 -
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 Anyanka Shadowmane wrote:To be honest, I doubt it. I don't believe that function exists within EVE, and I doubt it'll be implemented in Dust.
 
 However, at this stage in the BEta, you might be in luck, there is likely to be a character reset at some point in the future. We'll get to respend all our SP and get any AUR we've bought back along with any reward items we may have received.
 
 But after that, it's likely to be the last one til the game goes live and all our characters are wiped completely.
 
 No, it doesn't exist in EVE. You can redistribute your attribute points once per year but that only affects how fast particular types of skills train.
 
 Yes, there will be one more reset once the game moves to TQ and goes in to open BETA. Although you don't really get to "respend" your SP since you'll start back over with a new character. Although you will get all your AURUM back.
 
 The last I heard from CCP is that there will not be a character reset once the game goes live. The only reset will come with server migration.
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        |  Anyanka Shadowmane
 Sanmatar Kelkoons
 Minmatar Republic
 
 80
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.01 14:48:00 -
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 Altina McAlterson wrote:No, it doesn't exist in EVE. You can redistribute your attribute points once per year but that only affects how fast particular types of skills train.
 Yes, there will be one more reset once the game moves to TQ and goes in to open BETA. Although you don't really get to "respend" your SP since you'll start back over with a new character. Although you will get all your AURUM back.
 
 The last I heard from CCP is that there will not be a character reset once the game goes live. The only reset will come with server migration.
 Cool, thanks for the clarification.
 
 I've not been playing long enough to have seen the last reset, so I was under the impression that we'd be left with our SP after the transfer to TQ, but if I've misunderstood that, it's all good.
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        |  Spirit Shot
 Sanmatar Kelkoons
 Minmatar Republic
 
 0
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.01 17:10:00 -
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 If I know anything from my playing of EVE from end of beta (2003) to now. The skill points we accrue over the course of the early months in the beginning will amount to little endgame. If they try to make dust a success like eve for 5, 10+ years, they will have to keep expanding (new skills, new abilities, new equipment, etc), and what we will train now will be short stepping stones.
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        |  Maken Tosch
 Planetary Response Organisation
 Test Friends Please Ignore
 
 1591
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.01 18:29:00 -
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 @major
 
 You don't think it's true that respeccing will break the game, but the long time citizens of New Eden say otherwise. New Eden is already inhabited by some of the most intelligent, resourceful and players in the history of all of mmo games. They are the masters of the spreadsheets. Tinkerers of the mathematical formulas. Abusers of legal loopholes.
 
 Respeccing will only open up the floodgates for abuse. And if there is anything wrong with the system, the players will find it and they will abuse it like a rented mule. Mark my words. Do not underestimate the denizens of New Eden.
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        |  jenza aranda
 BetaMax.
 
 1005
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.01 18:53:00 -
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 Maken Tosch wrote:@major
 You don't think it's true that respeccing will break the game, but the long time citizens of New Eden say otherwise. New Eden is already inhabited by some of the most intelligent, resourceful and players in the history of all of mmo games. They are the masters of the spreadsheets. Tinkerers of the mathematical formulas. Abusers of legal loopholes.
 
 Respeccing will only open up the floodgates for abuse. And if there is anything wrong with the system, the players will find it and they will abuse it like a rented mule. Mark my words. Do not underestimate the denizens of New Eden.
 
 
 forever the voice of reason Maken!
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        |  Rasatsu
 Much Crying Old Experts
 
 437
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.01 18:55:00 -
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 Respec skills is a red line in the EVE community, CCP would never dear to even suggest it even / especially for AUR.
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        |  SoTa PoP
 Internal Error.
 Negative-Feedback
 
 1772
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.01 21:29:00 -
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 If they really want a game that can reach out to a number of audiences they're going to need to let people re-do there mistakes. Not unless they want to continue doing what they're already doing and only focus on people who care about them. I just thought the point of DUST was for them to get in a new audience - not lime light EVEs gameplay. The only two things these two games should share in common is the universe they live in. EVE is obviously more of a hardcore game then DUST will be.
 
 But that's just my opinion.
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        |  Maken Tosch
 Planetary Response Organisation
 Test Friends Please Ignore
 
 1591
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.01 22:12:00 -
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 SoTa PoP wrote:If they really want a game that can reach out to a number of audiences they're going to need to let people re-do there mistakes. Not unless they want to continue doing what they're already doing and only focus on people who care about them. I just thought the point of DUST was for them to get in a new audience - not lime light EVEs gameplay. The only two things these two games should share in common is the universe they live in. EVE is obviously more of a hardcore game then DUST will be.
 But that's just my opinion.
 
 If players are not willing to live with the consequences of their choices, regardless if said choices were informed or not, then New Eden is no place for them.
 
 All choices must have meaning. But in order to have meaning, the consequences of those choices must be permanent. In Eve Online, I currently have some of my SP invested in science skills. I now have no use for those skills. But guess what, I didn't create some thread asking CCP to undo that mistake for me. I accepted the reality of my mistake and then moved on to other skills. Who knows? Maybe those "unwanted" skills that I have might come in use one day.
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        |  SoTa PoP
 Internal Error.
 Negative-Feedback
 
 1772
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.01 22:19:00 -
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 Maken Tosch wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:If they really want a game that can reach out to a number of audiences they're going to need to let people re-do there mistakes. Not unless they want to continue doing what they're already doing and only focus on people who care about them. I just thought the point of DUST was for them to get in a new audience - not lime light EVEs gameplay. The only two things these two games should share in common is the universe they live in. EVE is obviously more of a hardcore game then DUST will be.
 But that's just my opinion.
 If players are not willing to live with the consequences of their choices, regardless if said choices were informed or not, then New Eden is no place for them. All choices must have meaning. But in order to have meaning, the consequences of those choices must be permanent. In Eve Online, I currently have some of my SP invested in science skills. I now have no use for those skills. But guess what, I didn't create some thread asking CCP to undo that mistake for me. I accepted the reality of my mistake and then moved on to other skills. Who knows? Maybe those "unwanted" skills that I have might come in use one day. I agree - it's easy for me to nod my head since I already understand the game and consider it pretty simple. But let me ask this: In eve do you grind for your skill point? If not - the consequences of the points would be considered different thus the value would be. It should be logical to conclude that since dusters grind for what EVE waits for that we should be allowed a "Ops, but I gotta pay for it..." situation. Keeping to eve logic where it doesn't equal out in value for the two games doesn't make much sense.
 
 But again - just my opinion. I'm happy either way lol. I just want the game to succeed beyond cult hit.
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        |  Maken Tosch
 Planetary Response Organisation
 Test Friends Please Ignore
 
 1591
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.01 22:30:00 -
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 @Sota PoP
 
 I also want Dust to succeed as well. And you are right that it's your opinion. If there is anything important for our community is that we all must learn to agree to disagree.
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        |  Sysic Kaenn
 Villore Sec Ops
 Gallente Federation
 
 2
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.01 22:43:00 -
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 It would be nice to re-spec... although there should be a cost. Perhaps it's only allowed once every X months, or X minutes of game play. Or some other cost like ISK/AUR?
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        |  Tenchu-13
 What The French
 
 76
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.01 22:52:00 -
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 Respeccing is a total no-no.
 
 Before dumping massive amounts of SP in a certain skill... just inform yourself what is does and if it is even worth it. You can't manage that then you should just learn to live with it.
 
 You still have a few months to try thing out, experiment. Those who will join the game lateron can and should build upon the experience of their "elders"...
 
 I think it was called adept or die... or something among those lines.
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        |  Gunner Visari
 Crux Special Tasks Group
 Gallente Federation
 
 163
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.01 22:53:00 -
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 I think one character lifetime reset EVER, for free is adequate. No more no less, no purchasble at increasing levels of AUR or ISK all of those methods could become an avenue to P2W or abuse. But a single use one time this is it are you really sure you want to use this now reset would be perfectly acceptable fair and fall in the line with the NEW EDEN concept of living with your choices as well as the notion of learning from your mistakes(but you get only 1 pass make it count).
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        |  Maken Tosch
 Planetary Response Organisation
 Test Friends Please Ignore
 
 1591
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.02 01:35:00 -
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 Gunner Visari wrote:I think one character lifetime reset EVER, for free is adequate. No more no less, no purchasble at increasing levels of AUR or ISK all of those methods could become an avenue to P2W or abuse. But a single use one time this is it are you really sure you want to use this now reset would be perfectly acceptable fair and fall in the line with the NEW EDEN concept of living with your choices as well as the notion of learning from your mistakes(but you get only 1 pass make it count). 
 No pass. Not even a once-in-a-game's-lifespan opportunity. But I know what you mean.
 
 EDIT:
 
 Scratch what I just said. I think the only time this would ever be allowed is when CCP decides to delete skill books like they did during Apocropha or Dominion for Eve Online when they finally got rid of the "Learning" skill books. Players invested about 5 million SP alone on that one which is nothing considering that more players are emerging with 100 million SP total skill books trained in their lifetime. Those SP were then reimbursed to the players as "un-allocated" SP. Since I only invested 1 million SP in Learning skills out of my 10 million SP, I was reimbursed only 1 million SP.
 
 That was the only time that ever happened.
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        |  Cerebral Wolf Jr
 Immobile Infantry
 
 760
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.02 04:25:00 -
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 Its possible they could allow dust respecs in a same way that we get remaps in eve.
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        |  Odiain Suliis
 ZionTCD
 Legacy Rising
 
 112
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.02 04:43:00 -
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 Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Its possible they could allow dust respecs in a same way that we get remaps in eve. 
 Yea, but those remaps are for attributes, not SP.
 
 Atributes that in DUST side we don't have.
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        |  HECATONCHIRES GYGES
 Villore Sec Ops
 Gallente Federation
 
 151
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.02 05:07:00 -
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 Major Assitch wrote:no it is not possible...no do not do that.I have over 1,200,000 SP that I spent most on things I wish I wouldn't have while figuring out the game. Now I'm wondering if it's possible to rebuild from scratch with all of those SP?
 Would deleting my character get me all of those SP back to re-allocate in other areas?
 
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        |  Maken Tosch
 Planetary Response Organisation
 Test Friends Please Ignore
 
 1591
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.01.02 08:26:00 -
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 Odiain Suliis wrote:Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Its possible they could allow dust respecs in a same way that we get remaps in eve. Yea, but those remaps are for attributes, not SP. Atributes that in DUST side we don't have. 
 This is correct. But as I said, the only way I would condone a respec is when they reimburse players for the SP invested in certain skill books in which CCP ever decides to delete due to redundancy issues as noted by the learning skills being deleted from Eve.
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