DUST Search - I may be in the minority, but I like the reduced difference between militia and ...

Ydubbs81 RND wrote:

Overlord Ulath wrote:

Ydubbs81 RND wrote:

Overlord Ulath wrote:

I skipped the majority of this trash. I can't bear to hear the "I'm paying more money than everyone else so I should always win" QQ.

As someone said earlier, skill eats gear but gear is the tie breaker. This is not entirely true, but pretty close. Skill eats gear, skill point total and allocation counterbalances skill to an extent, and gear is the tie breaker.

Let me put it this way:

Weaponry Lvl. 5 = +10% damage
AR Proficiency Lvl. 5 = +15% damage

Duvolle - Damage 34.1 - RoF 750 - Acc 57.2

Gek-38 - Damage 32.5 - RoF 750 - Acc 56.6

"Exile" AR - Damage 31 - RoF 750 - Acc 56

Now, if you have skilled up nothing with the basic AR proficiency (the weapon we hear the QQ the most about) or weaponry you are doing 750 RPM x 31 damage per bullet/60 seconds or 387.5 damage per second.

With both skilled up, you are looking at 31 damage per bullet + 25% x 750 RPM/60 seconds or 484.375 Damage per second

NOW, with a proto weapon, say the Duvolle, let's do that math again. 34.1 damage per bullet + 25% x 750 RPM/60 seconds is 532.8125 Damage per second.

That's a difference of 48.4375 damage per second between a Duvolle and a basic at max level.

That's a difference of 145.3125 damage per second from a person with no skills in damage compared to a person maxed out on AR proficiency

And remember that is DAMAGE PER SECOND

Lastly, Duvolle with no skill Vs. Duvolle with skill:

106.5625 DAMAGE PER SECOND

145.3125 damage per second in your favor and you think spending the time to get those higher leveled rifles doesn't matter? Grow up and learn some math scrubs.

TL;DR: If you skill up, you get much better odds with better gear than if you don't. 145.3125 damage per second difference between no skill Basic AR and all skill Proto AR. Learn math and quit QQing.

Why are you comparing the Duvolle with the militia? The issue is, let's say, the Exile & the GEK. They shouldn't be so close to each other in damage.

You're comparing extremes to suit your opinion but ignoring where the real problem is.

Spoken like someone who has no idea what he's talking about. Did my middle school level math confuse you poor fools? It's not a comparison of extremes.

Put into simple terms, if you don't like how small the gap is between proto and basic weapons, then skill up and the gap is larger. Quit QQing about the guns being so close together when you can personally change that in your own skill list.

Skills ARE the balance between skill and gear. Good AR's are only given full potential when given given full skills. There is a larger gap between a basic at max level and a proto at max level than a basic at minimum level and a proto at minimum level.

If you ignore this you are ignoring the entire system set up in this game and only you are to blame for not knowing the difference. And then you inevitably fail since you can't wrap your head around basic math.

If you have a Duvolle but no weapon damage skills and face off against someone running a basic with maxed weapon damage skills, you are at a disadvantage. And it's your own fault for it.

First off, you really need to get some p**** and calm down. And don't try to insult me about math because if you don't have a degree in math, then you can't talk to me about it.

Anyway, jackass, you are STILL comparing a duvolle to a militia grade assault rifle. Do your "middle school" math calculations comparing the GEK and the Exile and tell me if the gap isn't narrow. If the GEK had a higher rate of fire than the Exile, then maybe it wouldn't be so bad.

But my whole point is, as things are now, purchasing the GEK or the blindfire is pointless. Why purchase the GEK when the Exile comes close enough to doing the same damage and it's free.

Maybe if you stop practicing your middle school math and learned how to read, then you would see that my issue is the (almost) negligible gap between the exile and the gek....and nothing else.


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fred orpaul Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 211	Posted - 2012.12.31 02:29:00 - [1] - Quote Telcontar Dunedain wrote: I guess you can pat yourself on the back for how great this game is going to be with flat gear? Here's the other side - I killed a decent gun the other day like 3-4x times in his proto suit with a militia shotgun. Some of you think that's worth bragging over but I think it's pretty much trash. I'm killing a dude and I have no points whatsoever in shotguns but its just lololol on my side. He was willing to risk something in fighting me and my squad. He GEARED to fight us. He was using the weapon he'd skilled up in. People in militia gear and BPO assault rifles are risking nothing. They can just keep respawning and zerging because it doesn't matter. If you think about the implications in this for Lowsec and Nullsec it's pretty ugly. There needs to be HARD gear checks for participating in those fights (I'd like the rewards reduced in hisec so that proto is not economical for people when there is lowsec to fight in). I don't want to fight people that can't be bothered to RISK anything or PREPARE (ie get the SP together to get fitted in the first place). My corp is prepared and ready to risk, are you? if you get dropped by a shot gunner in proto gear its your own damn fault. weapon nerf was a good thing.
fred orpaul Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 211	Posted - 2012.12.31 02:38:00 - [2] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Overlord Ulath wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Overlord Ulath wrote: I skipped the majority of this trash. I can't bear to hear the "I'm paying more money than everyone else so I should always win" QQ. As someone said earlier, skill eats gear but gear is the tie breaker. This is not entirely true, but pretty close. Skill eats gear, skill point total and allocation counterbalances skill to an extent, and gear is the tie breaker. Let me put it this way: Weaponry Lvl. 5 = +10% damage AR Proficiency Lvl. 5 = +15% damage Duvolle - Damage 34.1 - RoF 750 - Acc 57.2 Gek-38 - Damage 32.5 - RoF 750 - Acc 56.6 "Exile" AR - Damage 31 - RoF 750 - Acc 56 Now, if you have skilled up nothing with the basic AR proficiency (the weapon we hear the QQ the most about) or weaponry you are doing 750 RPM x 31 damage per bullet/60 seconds or 387.5 damage per second. With both skilled up, you are looking at 31 damage per bullet + 25% x 750 RPM/60 seconds or 484.375 Damage per second NOW, with a proto weapon, say the Duvolle, let's do that math again. 34.1 damage per bullet + 25% x 750 RPM/60 seconds is 532.8125 Damage per second. That's a difference of 48.4375 damage per second between a Duvolle and a basic at max level. That's a difference of 145.3125 damage per second from a person with no skills in damage compared to a person maxed out on AR proficiency And remember that is DAMAGE PER SECOND Lastly, Duvolle with no skill Vs. Duvolle with skill: 106.5625 DAMAGE PER SECOND 145.3125 damage per second in your favor and you think spending the time to get those higher leveled rifles doesn't matter? Grow up and learn some math scrubs. TL;DR: If you skill up, you get much better odds with better gear than if you don't. 145.3125 damage per second difference between no skill Basic AR and all skill Proto AR. Learn math and quit QQing. Why are you comparing the Duvolle with the militia? The issue is, let's say, the Exile & the GEK. They shouldn't be so close to each other in damage. You're comparing extremes to suit your opinion but ignoring where the real problem is. Spoken like someone who has no idea what he's talking about. Did my middle school level math confuse you poor fools? It's not a comparison of extremes. Put into simple terms, if you don't like how small the gap is between proto and basic weapons, then skill up and the gap is larger. Quit QQing about the guns being so close together when you can personally change that in your own skill list. Skills ARE the balance between skill and gear. Good AR's are only given full potential when given given full skills. There is a larger gap between a basic at max level and a proto at max level than a basic at minimum level and a proto at minimum level. If you ignore this you are ignoring the entire system set up in this game and only you are to blame for not knowing the difference. And then you inevitably fail since you can't wrap your head around basic math. If you have a Duvolle but no weapon damage skills and face off against someone running a basic with maxed weapon damage skills, you are at a disadvantage. And it's your own fault for it. First off, you really need to get some p** and calm down. And don't try to insult me about math because if you don't have a degree in math, then you can't talk to me about it. Anyway, jackass, you are STILL comparing a duvolle to a militia grade assault rifle. Do your "middle school" math calculations comparing the GEK and the Exile and tell me if the gap isn't narrow. If the GEK had a higher rate of fire than the Exile, then maybe it wouldn't be so bad. But my whole point is, as things are now, purchasing the GEK or the blindfire is pointless. Why purchase the GEK when the Exile comes close enough to doing the same damage and it's free. Maybe if you stop practicing your middle school math and learned how to read, then you would see that my issue is the (almost) negligible gap between the exile and the gek....and nothing else. ahahhahhaha look at the little moron rage. you obviously have no grip on reality(since when does having a degree mean ** beyond better pay) so I doubt you have any better grip on this game, and given that you are such a bitchy little troll, my guess is that you are pissed of that you cant buy your victories any more, sad sad skill-less little man.