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WHz DS9899 wrote:

Cross Atu wrote:

WHz DS9899 wrote:

Cpt Murd0ck wrote:

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:

It would be better to just wait until cloaking comes, and hope guns won't be usable while cloaked; that would give the knife a special stealth niche as the only weapon that can be used while cloaked.

If it works like it does in EVE then you wont be able to shot while clocked or do any action such as hack. You might not even be able to get to close to people.

U'll likely have a covert ops dropsuit which lowers the CPU/PW requirments which will be too high for a assault/heavy to use.

I think they're going to change how cloaks work in Dust, otherwise they'll be useless...

Stab someone with a nova knife then cloak and move away
Cross the field cloaked to deploy uplinks
Pass enemy lines cloaked, hack objectives in the backfield, flee and recloak
Tag someone with a headshot, move away and cloak.
Have one squad mate play 'bate' while three wait cloaked for the kill
Hide while under cloak and relay intel to your team

There are more but suffice to say they wouldn't be useless.

1: What the point when the enemy can see you? If your not cloaked already, then the person your charging (unless you get him/her from behind) will see you and shoot you.

2: If you get near anyone, you will uncloak and get shot.

3: look at #2

4: only works aginst anti snipers, as you will be far enough away to where they would be the only person able to kill you.

5: look at #2

6: #2 could happen, but otheewise the only one that is useful... for only a deciated scout.

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SuperSaiyan4 Gogeta Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 9	Posted - 2012.12.28 19:13:00 - [1] - Quote Ballistic nova knives!!!! That would solve the range problem!!!
Ulysses Knapse Nuevo Atlas Corporation 73	Posted - 2012.12.28 20:03:00 - [2] - Quote That completely destroys the purpose of a melee weapon. This isn't Black cOps.
Cpt Murd0ck Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 95	Posted - 2012.12.28 20:31:00 - [3] - Quote how about a Nova samuri more range but more CPU/power and be a bit heavier
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.12.28 21:04:00 - [4] - Quote It would be better to just wait until cloaking comes, and hope guns won't be usable while cloaked; that would give the knife a special stealth niche as the only weapon that can be used while cloaked.
Cpt Murd0ck Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 95	Posted - 2012.12.28 21:20:00 - [5] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: It would be better to just wait until cloaking comes, and hope guns won't be usable while cloaked; that would give the knife a special stealth niche as the only weapon that can be used while cloaked. If it works like it does in EVE then you wont be able to shot while clocked or do any action such as hack. You might not even be able to get to close to people. U'll likely have a covert ops dropsuit which lowers the CPU/PW requirments which will be too high for a assault/heavy to use.
WHz DS9899 Doomheim 136	Posted - 2012.12.29 00:41:00 - [6] - Quote Cpt Murd0ck wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: It would be better to just wait until cloaking comes, and hope guns won't be usable while cloaked; that would give the knife a special stealth niche as the only weapon that can be used while cloaked. If it works like it does in EVE then you wont be able to shot while clocked or do any action such as hack. You might not even be able to get to close to people. U'll likely have a covert ops dropsuit which lowers the CPU/PW requirments which will be too high for a assault/heavy to use. I think they're going to change how cloaks work in Dust, otherwise they'll be useless...
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 775	Posted - 2012.12.29 00:48:00 - [7] - Quote WHz DS9899 wrote: Cpt Murd0ck wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: It would be better to just wait until cloaking comes, and hope guns won't be usable while cloaked; that would give the knife a special stealth niche as the only weapon that can be used while cloaked. If it works like it does in EVE then you wont be able to shot while clocked or do any action such as hack. You might not even be able to get to close to people. U'll likely have a covert ops dropsuit which lowers the CPU/PW requirments which will be too high for a assault/heavy to use. I think they're going to change how cloaks work in Dust, otherwise they'll be useless... Stab someone with a nova knife then cloak and move away Cross the field cloaked to deploy uplinks Pass enemy lines cloaked, hack objectives in the backfield, flee and recloak Tag someone with a headshot, move away and cloak. Have one squad mate play 'bate' while three wait cloaked for the kill Hide while under cloak and relay intel to your team There are more but suffice to say they wouldn't be useless.
WHz DS9899 Doomheim 136	Posted - 2012.12.29 01:11:00 - [8] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: WHz DS9899 wrote: Cpt Murd0ck wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: It would be better to just wait until cloaking comes, and hope guns won't be usable while cloaked; that would give the knife a special stealth niche as the only weapon that can be used while cloaked. If it works like it does in EVE then you wont be able to shot while clocked or do any action such as hack. You might not even be able to get to close to people. U'll likely have a covert ops dropsuit which lowers the CPU/PW requirments which will be too high for a assault/heavy to use. I think they're going to change how cloaks work in Dust, otherwise they'll be useless... Stab someone with a nova knife then cloak and move away Cross the field cloaked to deploy uplinks Pass enemy lines cloaked, hack objectives in the backfield, flee and recloak Tag someone with a headshot, move away and cloak. Have one squad mate play 'bate' while three wait cloaked for the kill Hide while under cloak and relay intel to your team There are more but suffice to say they wouldn't be useless. 1: What the point when the enemy can see you? If your not cloaked already, then the person your charging (unless you get him/her from behind) will see you and shoot you. 2: If you get near anyone, you will uncloak and get shot. 3: look at #2 4: only works aginst anti snipers, as you will be far enough away to where they would be the only person able to kill you. 5: look at #2 6: #2 could happen, but otheewise the only one that is useful... for only a deciated scout.
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 248	Posted - 2012.12.29 05:16:00 - [9] - Quote Hmm... Gives me an idea (a rare thing): Predator Disc like nova knives (if that's not what op meant already)
Kaathe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 41	Posted - 2012.12.29 08:58:00 - [10] - Quote Knives are fine. They don't need variants.

Ulysses Knapse Nuevo Atlas Corporation 73	Posted - 2012.12.29 09:00:00 - [11] - Quote Kaathe wrote: Knives are fine. They don't need variants. Tell that to the Bowie Knife, the Jackknife, the Butcher's Knife, the Machete, the Butter Knife, the Balisong, the Switchblade, the Dagger, the Dirk, the Kunai, and the Steak Knife. Oh, you meant Nova Knives are fine? I thought you meant knives in general.
Kaathe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 41	Posted - 2012.12.29 09:58:00 - [12] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Kaathe wrote: Knives are fine. They don't need variants. Tell that to the Bowie Knife, the Jackknife, the Butcher's Knife, the Machete, the Butter Knife, the Balisong, the Switchblade, the Dagger, the Dirk, the Kunai, and the Steak Knife. Oh, you meant Nova Knives are fine? I thought you meant knives in general. i see what you did there.
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 775	Posted - 2012.12.29 10:19:00 - [13] - Quote WHz DS9899 wrote: Cross Atu wrote: WHz DS9899 wrote: Cpt Murd0ck wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: It would be better to just wait until cloaking comes, and hope guns won't be usable while cloaked; that would give the knife a special stealth niche as the only weapon that can be used while cloaked. If it works like it does in EVE then you wont be able to shot while clocked or do any action such as hack. You might not even be able to get to close to people. U'll likely have a covert ops dropsuit which lowers the CPU/PW requirments which will be too high for a assault/heavy to use. I think they're going to change how cloaks work in Dust, otherwise they'll be useless... Stab someone with a nova knife then cloak and move away Cross the field cloaked to deploy uplinks Pass enemy lines cloaked, hack objectives in the backfield, flee and recloak Tag someone with a headshot, move away and cloak. Have one squad mate play 'bate' while three wait cloaked for the kill Hide while under cloak and relay intel to your team There are more but suffice to say they wouldn't be useless. 1: What the point when the enemy can see you? If your not cloaked already, then the person your charging (unless you get him/her from behind) will see you and shoot you. 2: If you get near anyone, you will uncloak and get shot. 3: look at #2 4: only works aginst anti snipers, as you will be far enough away to where they would be the only person able to kill you. 5: look at #2 6: #2 could happen, but otheewise the only one that is useful... for only a deciated scout. From the sounds of this your definition of "near" extends much further from an enemy than mine. Also clearly you've not seen how easy it is to sneak up on (or be overlooked by) people even in the current build without a cloak in place. In the current build people already frequently miss hostiles who aren't "lit" on the neocom, a status often attained even prior to peak character skills or the use of profile dampener mods. Approaching from an angle of attack other than head on is also quite viable and effective within the current build. Any of the above is enhanced through use of a cloak but even if you overlook those obvious advantages it still provides great sniper cover, to place remote explosives/AV 'mines' or to get the drop on a tank with grenades. I suppose you could just reply "#2" to everything again but only if you're assuming that "near someone" equates to "within assault rifle range", which would clearly be a barely useful iteration of the device for most purposes outside of Dropships or dedicated wide flankers/pure scouts. Of course even there opening up three new effective battlefield techniques shouldn't simply be dismissed. Since the comparison to EVE was made earlier consider how hard it is to use drones or friggate fleets to de-cloak a ship via proximity and scale distances accordingly to maintain the same difficulty baseline... and then try to do it without the natural bottleneck of jump gates. If the opposing team wants to dedicate squads to running in circles within given areas trying to proximity de-cloak someone who "might" be there then having a single cloak fit among your assets becomes completely worthwhile (just like running a cheap LAV and getting a squad or more to switch into swarms). The value to a teamwork focused squad is quite signifigant.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1062	Posted - 2012.12.29 14:41:00 - [14] - Quote Cpt Murd0ck wrote: U'll likely have a covert ops dropsuit which lowers the CPU/PW requirments which will be too high for a assault/heavy to use. You mean a scout?
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1594	Posted - 2012.12.29 17:19:00 - [15] - Quote WHz DS9899 wrote: Cross Atu wrote: WHz DS9899 wrote: Cpt Murd0ck wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: It would be better to just wait until cloaking comes, and hope guns won't be usable while cloaked; that would give the knife a special stealth niche as the only weapon that can be used while cloaked. If it works like it does in EVE then you wont be able to shot while clocked or do any action such as hack. You might not even be able to get to close to people. U'll likely have a covert ops dropsuit which lowers the CPU/PW requirments which will be too high for a assault/heavy to use. I think they're going to change how cloaks work in Dust, otherwise they'll be useless... Stab someone with a nova knife then cloak and move away Cross the field cloaked to deploy uplinks Pass enemy lines cloaked, hack objectives in the backfield, flee and recloak Tag someone with a headshot, move away and cloak. Have one squad mate play 'bate' while three wait cloaked for the kill Hide while under cloak and relay intel to your team There are more but suffice to say they wouldn't be useless. 1: What the point when the enemy can see you? If your not cloaked already, then the person your charging (unless you get him/her from behind) will see you and shoot you. 2: If you get near anyone, you will uncloak and get shot. 3: look at #2 4: only works aginst anti snipers, as you will be far enough away to where they would be the only person able to kill you. 5: look at #2 6: #2 could happen, but otheewise the only one that is useful... for only a deciated scout. 1. Why do people continuously assume that ninja knifers will only attack from upfront? Do people even realize the word "ninja" in the title of this profession? Does a real-life ninja ever attack from upfront? No. 2. You are assuming that CCP will impose the 1,500m decloaking range from Eve Online. That is 1,640 yards. Which is practically the entire map. I don't think CCP will impose that limit. In fact, I don't think they will impose any such limit in regards to range to other objects. In fact, CCP made no mention at all what the mechanics will be so why are we even assuming? 3. Ever heard of a diversion? 4. You didn't make much sense here. 5. Again, ever heard of a diversion? 6. It's spelled "dedicated" not "deciated".
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1594	Posted - 2012.12.29 17:22:00 - [16] - Quote @Supersaiyan https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=425608#post425608 CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: [REQUEST] Running with charged nova knives Update: We have plans to implement this in a future update. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=371313#post371313 CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: [FEEDBACK] Diaries of a ninja knifer - more in-depth knife feedback Update: Improvements such as more damage for the nova knife will be coming soon. Further improvements will be done in future patches/updates. Overall the cloak would be a better option. I use to think that ballistics knives would work but after thinking about it I realized that doing so would also limit the knife further because you will only get two shots and if you miss then you are empty handed. It would be fun, but too limiting. I can already scare a lot of mercs just sneaking in right now with the current build. Imagine me with a cloak. Hell will be coming with me.
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 775	Posted - 2012.12.29 19:48:00 - [17] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: I can already scare a lot of mercs just sneaking in right now with the current build. Imagine me with a cloak. Hell will be coming with me. ^This. Nova users are still uncommon, polished ones like Maken even more so but a merc who dismisses them does so at his own peril, and cloaks will open a whole new world of deadly from the ninjas. Also don't forget the talk from CCP of 'predator style' explosive devices. Pause to reflect on what it means to face a Nova Knife wielding merc who can cloak and who will explode upon death. When the build comes that these features go live I'll be keeping a list of all Nova users and checking it every match, and I'll be dieing a lot less because of doing so. Cheers, Cross
Cpt Murd0ck Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 95	Posted - 2012.12.29 23:34:00 - [18] - Quote . 2. You are assuming that CCP will impose the 1,500m decloaking range from Eve Online. That is 1,093 yards. Which is practically the entire map. I don't think CCP will impose that limit. In fact, I don't think they will impose any such limit in regards to range to other objects. In fact, CCP made no mention at all what the mechanics will be so why are we even assuming? 3. Ever heard of a diversion? 4. You didn't make much sense here. 5. Again, ever heard of a diversion? 6. It's spelled "dedicated" not "deciated".[/quote] I didn't mean it had to be the exact mechanics of eve just that the same type of restrictions will likely be in place Also on the point of covert ops suit it may not just be the scout suit although that would make sense. You may get a covert ops variety of most suit but they are likely to incur some sort of penalty otherwise we would be in an empty looking battlefield
Ulysses Knapse Nuevo Atlas Corporation 73	Posted - 2012.12.29 23:47:00 - [19] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: You are assuming that CCP will impose the 1,500m decloaking range from Eve Online. That is 1,093 yards. Good job on that conversion failure. It's actually 1640.42 yards.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1594	Posted - 2012.12.29 23:57:00 - [20] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: You are assuming that CCP will impose the 1,500m decloaking range from Eve Online. That is 1,093 yards. Good job on that conversion failure. It's actually 1640.42 yards. Lol Good catch there. When I ran the numbers through a converter I accidentally typed in 1,000m instead of 1,500m as the starting point. Silly me I will correct my post. Thanks for the heads up.

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.12.30 00:39:00 - [21] - Quote Currently the knives are made completely pointless by shotguns. Milita shotguns are cheaper, and can do everything that the current knives do with more range, and less limitation.
Ulysses Knapse Nuevo Atlas Corporation 73	Posted - 2012.12.30 04:34:00 - [22] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Currently the knives are made completely pointless by shotguns. Milita shotguns are cheaper, and can do everything that the current knives do with more range, and less limitation. Shotguns are not sidearms.
Thranx1231 CowTek 90	Posted - 2012.12.30 06:12:00 - [23] - Quote Sure, why not? With one little teeny, tiny control request. If the activation isn't exactly 321 ns then the users arm melts off. Not fixable by Logi and the suicide option is blocked. That plus taking twenty minutes to die would be perfect. As long as they die each and every time. Then they can go back to Call of Battlefield and GTHO.
Draco Dustflier Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 45	Posted - 2012.12.30 09:48:00 - [24] - Quote just make them commando knives. give them the same range as the repair tool, and when you charge you lock on to your foes and then do a super cool animation kill. like in bf3 but more bad*ss.
Draco Dustflier Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 45	Posted - 2012.12.30 09:51:00 - [25] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Currently the knives are made completely pointless by shotguns. Milita shotguns are cheaper, and can do everything that the current knives do with more range, and less limitation. Shotguns are not sidearms. that's a great idea! Ccp, i order you to make shotguns into sidearms! they are also in need of a serious range buff as well as a fully automatic variant: the Wifebeater assault shotgun.


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