You should be invincible on spawn at least until your screen fades in completely and there should be an effect to show you're invincible.

I thought we were supposed to treat Dust like it is a real war. I know if I saw a bunch of enemies coming from a position, I would sit there and kill them as long as they remained stupid enough to keep coming. This is war. Adapt or die.

I understand about complaining about "spawncamping" in games like COD because you cannot choose where to spawn. Most of the people complaining about this in Dust are the people who choose to drop into an extremely hot area and die instantly. Yea, that means maybe you have to spawn 400m away from everything, but if the enemy team is doing that good of a job of holding down the map, so be it.

If there is something both teams can do, how can anyone say it is unfair? Don't like getting spawncamped? Then do a better job of defending the area.

Are all spawn camps "camping"? Yes. Are all who "camp" spawn campers? No. You can camp other areas. Manus peak for example, where B used to be, is a great place to "camp" even with an AR because it is close enough to attack C and is easily defensible. Is there anything wrong with this? No. Is it camping? Yes.

To me there is no difference between "camping" and "holding an advantageous position" other than if someone else is doing it is a negative thing because it can deny you your objective.

Is spawn camping bad? Yes - and I'm sure I've angered a few people when I killed the uplink of the opposing force - with the idea that I would rather force them to spawn farther off giving us a better chance to set up a viable defense instead of a circle of people with our back facing out waiting for that HMG to mow us all down.

When you spawn on a CRU or a letter you are taking a risk. You are risking your suit on the fact that your teammates have a decent enough defense around that area that you would be able to see any reddots on your map before you spawn. This is not always the case but its the risk you take for being spawned closer to the battles.

The CRUs need better radar range and resolution so you can see any obvious red dots around your infrastructure. Its a giant piece of hi tech equipment, but it apparently has crap for sensors.

I play to win, so as far as i am concerned, camping a CRU or drop uplink is a perfectly valid tactic.

I think it would be interesting if they made the CRU to something more than just be another point to spawn at. Right now if you are running the map (or if there is a single CRU on ambush and you team is destroying the enemy team) there is little incentive to take the CRU as you get more points for sitting there and waiting to kill the enemies that spawn in. This is the best way to quickly diminish the clone count on ambush especially.

However if you change the CRU to mean more than just a spawn point. Maybe make a CRU give your team a boost in clones. IE you capture a CRU and you team gets 20 additional clones. Maybe have it give 20 clones for the first capture and then every time it switches back and forth between the two teams it gives that team an additional 10 clones. This would change the dynamic and your battlefield choices. Does my team need more clones and thus is it better to take this CRU? Should we destroy this CRU to deny the other team from retaking it after you take the CRU and getting the extra clones?

Now this idea can be tweaked maybe instead of just a lump amount of clones if you take it you could make is such that as you hold if for every x amount of time you hold the CRU you get a Y amount of clones added.

I agree with you...to a point. Take the CRU, for example. You could say by camping a CRU you are indirectly reducing the enemy clone count by preventing them from getting free spawns off of the CRU. But that logic is completely asinine because the best way for you to deny the enemy free spawns is to move in and take the CRU. So you as an individual and as a corp are getting an inflated K/D ratio and WP without actually contributing to the battle in any material way.

In other words, your inflated K/D ratio from spawn camping is not an actual reflection of how "good" you or your corporation actually are.

If instead you _take_ the CRU, then set a defend on it, now you are defending a resource for your own team. That seems a much more advantageous tactic not just for your own K/D ratio, but for your whole team. Now, your K/D ratio actually reflects your contribution to the battle.

A case could be made for camping uplinks and objectives to create an enemy clone deficit...but I can't see it for a CRU.

Camping a CRU without hacking it is spawncamping no matter how you look at it. there is only 1 good reason for such behaviour and that is spawnkilling. If you're 4 around a CRU it takes you 5 kitten seconds to hack the thing, so hack it and move on (or stay... whatever you like) but don't keep it active on the other teams color just to gun down whoever spawns there.
- I have also been thinking that maybe a 2 sec. "no-guns/healt-invulnarabilty" period "could" counter spawnkilling...


As someone who has been using droplinks since the beginning there should be a 'destruct' option so the initial poser can indeed destroy any dl he dropped in case it gets camped or is deemed counterproductive for the general flow of the battle.

Agree.

A camped uplink could even be turned into an advantage if you give its destruction some powerful splash damage. This would be a deterrent to would-be campers. Or maybe have the ability to deploy an explosive or other type of weapon instead of spawning there yourself. Something to clear the path or freeze the enemy and give you a fighting chance.

Still doesn't excuse people who camp the main spawn in skirmishes- I've seen your corp do that a few times.
If people jump out of the MCC- most of the enemy team jumps on them.
If people spawn on the ground- instantly sniped.

Agree.

A camped uplink could even be turned into an advantage if you give its destruction some powerful splash damage. This would be a deterrent to would-be campers. Or maybe have the ability to deploy an explosive or other type of weapon instead of spawning there yourself. Something to clear the path or freeze the enemy and give you a fighting chance.

Or to make more sense: a set, high number of clones (say 50), that goes down every time someone spawns on it. Whichever team holds the CRU has access to this clone bonus, until the bonus clones are used up and the CRU goes boom.

This would also improve future CRUs (when players can call them in like vehicles) because higher tiers would be able to add more clones.

This would also make more people want to spawn from CRUs instead of other areas since it would not decrease the clone count.