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Zion Shad ZionTCD Legacy Rising 1620	Posted - 2012.12.26 17:20:00 - [1] - Quote I like the fact that there is an IS on the rifles now. This new IS resembles more of a Hand Gun IS then one of a rifle. Maybe this could help with inspiration for a future model. http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120331061957/callofduty/images/3/39/G11_Iron_Sights_BO.png
Jack flagrantfool Doomheim 8	Posted - 2012.12.26 19:24:00 - [2] - Quote Zion Shad wrote: I like the fact that there is an IS on the rifles now. This new IS resembles more of a Hand Gun IS then one of a rifle. Maybe this could help with inspiration for a future model. http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120331061957/callofduty/images/3/39/G11_Iron_Sights_BO.png Anh, those are ok but with the giant thick side posts it is still going to obscures to much of your line of sight. These are pretty awesome: http://images.wikia.com/callofduty/images/e/ea/MK14_Iron_Sights_MW3.png But ultimately, to reference a video game example, the goal should be to achive something like this - a shining example: http://www.gamereplays.org/community/uploads/post-7855-1274710641.jpg Notice how small the sights are, as they are set further away from the players field of vision, with the rifle stalk in view. Notice that there are not any obtrusive/unnessesary elements, to the sight, obscuring the players view. Every thing is very thin/sleek/small. With the current iron sights we are using, I find myself endlessly loosing sight of my target in the HUGE/THICK/CLUNKY side posts. And then when I do get the target sighted, the target is nearly entirely obscured by the front sight, which makes it extremely difficult to track the targets movement. IMO the iron sights we are currently using in dust are absolute junk.
Maffia- Thug 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 62	Posted - 2012.12.26 19:57:00 - [3] - Quote You know, I am a fan of the iron sights but you are completely right......they are pistol iron sights not rifle ones. WE NEED RIFLE IRON SIGHTS!!!!!!!!
Mobius Kaethis Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 306	Posted - 2012.12.26 20:01:00 - [4] - Quote I am a fan of the iron sights as well but I admit that making them more slender would be a huge improvement.
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 775	Posted - 2012.12.26 20:09:00 - [5] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: I am a fan of the iron sights as well but I admit that making them more slender would be a huge improvement. ^This
Arunis Gen G I A N T 9	Posted - 2012.12.26 20:12:00 - [6] - Quote Indeed. I agree with making the iron sights less bulky or allow the players to customize their guns to allow different attachments and such. This would improve the gameplay very much. Whenever I ADS I'm wondering if I'm aiming at my intended target or somewhere around him as the iron sight completely obscures him/her.
Zion Shad ZionTCD Legacy Rising 1620	Posted - 2012.12.27 01:08:00 - [7] - Quote @Jack: Agreed on the sides of my example being two bulky. It's just to inspire not to be exact. I do like the two provided by your post as well and they capture what I'm talking about. @ Gen: There will be add on's to the rifles in the future
Higgs flagrantfool 3dge of D4rkness Industrials 27	Posted - 2012.12.28 20:18:00 - [8] - Quote I want more people to chime in on this. This is very important.
Unit-775 Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 36	Posted - 2012.12.28 21:06:00 - [9] - Quote We had a nice camera view wich didnt obscure anything, you guys didnt like it and now we got this piece of crap, and now your complayning about obscured sights ? If you want stoneage tech go try to throw some rocks, maybe CCP can implement this so you can moan about the lack of damage and the lousy range.
Higgs flagrantfool 3dge of D4rkness Industrials 27	Posted - 2012.12.28 21:24:00 - [10] - Quote Unit-775 wrote: We had a nice camera view wich didnt obscure anything, you guys didnt like it and now we got this piece of crap, and now your complayning about obscured sights ? If you want stoneage tech go try to throw some rocks, maybe CCP can implement this so you can moan about the lack of damage and the lousy range. STFU dude

Zion Shad ZionTCD Legacy Rising 1620	Posted - 2012.12.29 04:54:00 - [11] - Quote Higgs flagrantfool wrote: Unit-775 wrote: We had a nice camera view wich didnt obscure anything, you guys didnt like it and now we got this piece of crap, and now your complayning about obscured sights ? If you want stoneage tech go try to throw some rocks, maybe CCP can implement this so you can moan about the lack of damage and the lousy range. STFU dude Agree. The iron sight has been around since guns have been made. Even in today's world where a scope to a red dot would only put you back a few bucks, we still use irons. This will never change and it adds depth to the game.
Unit-775 Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 36	Posted - 2012.12.29 05:21:00 - [12] - Quote Zion Shad wrote: Higgs flagrantfool wrote: Unit-775 wrote: We had a nice camera view wich didnt obscure anything, you guys didnt like it and now we got this piece of crap, and now your complayning about obscured sights ? If you want stoneage tech go try to throw some rocks, maybe CCP can implement this so you can moan about the lack of damage and the lousy range. STFU dude Agree. The iron sight has been around since guns have been made. Even in today's world where a scope to a red dot would only put you back a few bucks, we still use irons. This will never change and it adds depth to the game. Even the SMG has no iron sight. They could have added Iron sights to the SMG and use the current SMG optics on the medium range AR. After all SMG are the typical hip fire weapons. Implementing this Iron Sight stuff atm is a waste af resources and manpower wich could be better used to fix bugs. At least we should have got the option to chose what sight we want. This whole Weapon custimation gives me a headache, thats typical CCP add fancy new stuff but leave the current stuff unfixed and unbalanced. Even worse Weapon Customation will probably add a new layer of balancing problems and possible bugs.
ETEREX Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 27	Posted - 2012.12.29 05:42:00 - [13] - Quote Came back and actually played the game after taking a break for several weeks and found the iron sights to be highly disappointing. ARs still look and feel like water pistols,,, Bleh.
Vadun Imrael Immobile Infantry 9	Posted - 2012.12.29 08:55:00 - [14] - Quote Iron sights are bad and you should feel bad. This is some future soldier **, not WWII historical re-enactment fantasy land. I'm not talking Call of Duty Black Ops sights either, we should have straight up Picture in Picture mini displays right in our helmet feed. Make me feel like we actually spend 100k isk on a suit and make that ** fancy
DarkShadowFox Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 238	Posted - 2012.12.30 05:51:00 - [15] - Quote OH LOOK COD POSTS... I MISSED NOTHING goodbye!
Crm234 Wraith Shadow Guards 166	Posted - 2012.12.30 06:00:00 - [16] - Quote Iron sights were needed, yes they are harder to aim with but are needed for a good FPS game. You can even watch I think the welcome to new eden interview 2 . where one of the CCP guys is being interview and mention dust will have no iron sights and the interviews face just went like what the hell do you mean basically. Sending the CCP guy into full defense mode , but the interviewer wasn't convinced. you can tweak them , make them look futuristic but FPS games always have them as a base to upgrade on to.
Zion Shad ZionTCD Legacy Rising 1620	Posted - 2012.12.30 17:10:00 - [17] - Quote Irons are a great thing for the game because this allows add on's to your weapon. The current IS on ARs needs to change and a IS should be added to SMGs as well. I feel the current "red dot" on the SMG as well as the flip up on mass drivers already have that Add on look to it. They are not build to the gun but put on it.
Nomex Gallatin OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6	Posted - 2013.01.03 16:37:00 - [18] - Quote I have taken some time off, and came back to the new "handgun" type iron sights for my assault rifle. First let me say that I like the idea of iron sights, and if the big and bulky sights that are obscuring most of my field of view were changed out for something more realistic for a shoulder fired rifle, you would be heading in the right direction. I have to agree with many of the posters on this thread. 1. Yes, Iron sights are a must, they work when batteries or your optics otherwise fail, so please keep the iron sights, but... 2. The iron sights are pistol type sights that take up WAY too much of your field of view, thereby obstructing your visual cone. 3. Yes, the iron sights should be made much smaller as the previous given examples (links) show. One needs a large field of view to be able to fight effectively and crowding your cone of vision with big bulky close in iron sights is a drawback. 3. As a previous poster mentioned, we should have the ability to at least customize the sights to our wishes. If someone wants a large high-power sight on his assault rifle, not a problem... he will pay for any close in shooting by the magnification penalty which could not only be the natural penalty of being too closely zoomed in, a speed penalty for presenting the rifle could be added to balance the additional accuracy. 4. In 2013, I can purchase an Aimpoint $700 micro T1 to put on my iron sighted AR15 that has collapsible spring loaded "pop up" sights that I have co-witnessed. I hate to think that this far into the future (in a relatively free trade market that Eve Online is) that such attachments/enhancements would be unavailable to those who can afford what they want, especially at the price of some of the other accessories and modules that we can already purchase. Also, since we are talking about modifications to the sighting system of the game, I would like to add that having day/night, and then allowing attachments like lights or night vision to our visors as a module would be a great bonus for those of us that like a little more realism and challenge in the game.
Tupni Bragian Order Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2013.01.03 17:17:00 - [19] - Quote I like the iron sights. It's kind of refreshing and made shooting with ARs more interesting. I don't have any problems with the current model though, it seems fine.
Nomex Gallatin OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6	Posted - 2013.01.04 16:11:00 - [20] - Quote Tupni wrote: I like the iron sights. It's kind of refreshing and made shooting with ARs more interesting. I don't have any problems with the current model though, it seems fine. The fact that you love the current model is great, honest, I am glad you like them, I like the idea of having the option as well. My point here is that there are many of us who don't like the big bulky sights (for all the aforementioned reasons) and I think that having the option to fit different sights (iron, magnifying, or holographic) on your rifle would be the appropriate thing to do. These new sights could have their own drawbacks and penalties to balance them. Today as a civilian in America you have a virtual cornucopia of sights you can fit to your firearm (handgun, rifle, shotgun, sub-gun), and I tend to believe that in a future society where there is a free market (relatively speaking) and the state no longer holds the monopoly on violence, I can't imagine that individuals would be limited their our choice of accessories.

dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 968	Posted - 2013.01.04 16:41:00 - [21] - Quote Personally I am liking the iron sights as is. Weapon customization is on the roadmap and it makes sense to have stock iron sights out first. Haven't we done this thread to death a dozen times over by now?
Maffia- Thug 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 62	Posted - 2013.01.04 19:12:00 - [22] - Quote You know, I can see everyone's point of view here. 1. We need iron sights, maybe not the typical type of sights that we are used too but we do need some sort of iron sight. 2. We also need scopes or some other type of aiming device that helps the shooter be more accurate. We were stuck with the "scope" view before, some people liked it some people didn't, Then we got stuck with iron sights. I personally like them to an extent. But I do agree they do not fit the weapons. We need a type of iron sights that fit the technology. We also need some type of "scope" or scope like device that we can attach to the weapon. Come on guys quit bashing each other please? And quit b it ch ing and complaining. Let's help make the game better and stop talkiing sh it about who's better. We are all different form different skill levels. I assume we all agree on one thing though.......for DUST514 to succeed. So let's be constructive in helping with the game developement and we can compete in the game.
YourDeadAgain76 Red Star. 133	Posted - 2013.01.04 20:01:00 - [23] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: I am a fan of the iron sights as well but I admit that making them more slender would be a huge improvement. +1 Nerf the iron sights. Take FG' and sniper sights away 2.


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