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DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2012.12.21 10:27:00 -
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Exmaple Core.
Just played a match against him, and he went 43-0 with a heavy suit.
Heavies need a nerf. 
Seriously... That is beyond ridiculous. |
Bendtner92
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
369
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Posted - 2012.12.21 10:31:00 -
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No. |
Raxsus1
Doomheim
42
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Posted - 2012.12.21 10:32:00 -
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Come say Heavies need a nerf when your fit costs anywhere between 300,000- 500,000 ISK(and thats not while using the VK.1 Proto Heavy) |
Umbat Boki
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
157
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Posted - 2012.12.21 10:34:00 -
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If someone's score is better than yours, it's because something he uses is OP. That's your logic, right?
You need more than one sample to call something OP. It's quite obvious, isn't it? |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
742
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Posted - 2012.12.21 10:34:00 -
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/facepalm |
aden slayer
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
407
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Posted - 2012.12.21 10:36:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:Exmaple Core. Just played a match against him, and he went 43-0 with a heavy suit. Heavies need a nerf. Seriously... That is beyond ridiculous.
Just because one guy owns you too much doesn't mean it's OP.
Haven't you notice the lack of heavy love from the DEVs.
Remember heavies are fat, use this to your advantage. |
Roldrage
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2012.12.21 10:36:00 -
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I can't help but feel that people are taking this far more seriously than intended. |
Guinevere Bravo
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
140
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Posted - 2012.12.21 10:36:00 -
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DAT REPAIR TOOL.
But seriously Advanced repair tools will keep anyone with a decent armor pool alive even when under fire. Im thinking Example Core probably has his own pocket logi (And so he should what a beast!)
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Shane Darko
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
11
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Posted - 2012.12.21 10:40:00 -
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I was actually just in that match,I manage to kill 3 heavy's as well with exile,I think there doing there job alright. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
288
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Posted - 2012.12.21 10:45:00 -
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Raxsus1 wrote:Come say Heavies need a nerf when your fit costs anywhere between 300,000- 500,000 ISK(and thats not while using the VK.1 Proto Heavy)
Pay 2 win you say?
Ah well, got 943,000 ISK from one match against those Asia guys earlier. |
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Calgoth Reborn
United Front LLC
145
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Posted - 2012.12.21 10:46:00 -
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I was in that match they were just feeding him kill's i died to him twice once got caught by surprise |
Bendtner92
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
369
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Posted - 2012.12.21 10:49:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:Raxsus1 wrote:Come say Heavies need a nerf when your fit costs anywhere between 300,000- 500,000 ISK(and thats not while using the VK.1 Proto Heavy) Pay 2 win you say? Ah well, got 943,000 ISK from one match against those Asia guys earlier.
There's plenty of counters to even an extremely expensive heavy. Just because you can't figure out to counter a heavy properly doesn't mean others can't.
Also, if you think that's P2W try use it yourself then, although I suspect that won't go very well. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
288
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Posted - 2012.12.21 11:09:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:
There's plenty of counters to even an extremely expensive heavy. Just because you can't figure out to counter a heavy properly doesn't mean others can't.
Also, if you think that's P2W try use it yourself then, although I suspect that won't go very well.
Your probably right, I am speced for AR use, not heavy. No experience means even with the best suit I wouldn't know what to do with it. Which is pretty clear from the Asia gameshow thing going on, as they ALL have top-line proto everything. And most go 0-x in matches.
But in case nobody caught on, the thread is not exactly meant to be a serious nerf thread. Although I do despise heavies  |
steadyhand amarr
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
338
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Posted - 2012.12.21 12:01:00 -
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Heavys are doing their job correctly and evenly I have no trouble killing heavys because I treat this game like dust514 not I want to play a sci fi cod 514. Example core is also a dam good player game balance should be based off the top end players who could win using a tooth pic. As like for real people are bad at this game |
Tzaar Bomba
Doomheim
174
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Posted - 2012.12.21 12:07:00 -
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Heavies are weaker now, not so hard to kill. |
trollsroyce
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
164
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Posted - 2012.12.21 12:43:00 -
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The game should be balanced per map in regard to corp battles so, that it won't become a fest of heavies, logistics and tanks or similiar brute force tactics only. A large map with multiple control points favors fast moving teams which are able to project force quicker. A small map with cover favors heavy brick teams with logistics backup.
Balance has as much to do with map design as with other factors. In the perfect situation imo, small maps would require a small map setup while large, open maps would require a setup of their own. This would allow much more leeway into counter-setups and such. The worst case scenario in valid endgame is two teams of tanks and heavies only, with the strategy devolved into "fit missiles or fit lasers?"
Overall, the corp that forks all out on isk (all the good ones will) and goes heavy-tank-logistics or similiar brick tactic will have a strong chance inherently in any given map. Countering it with fancy tactics will be extremely hard, if not impossible on tighter maps.
On large maps, with some adjustment, the slow moving team might have issues with fast, "hidden" snipers and anti-vehicles controlling field. This is only if visibility is fixed so that you can't easily spot light suits by the pixels a kilometer away, and light suits given hard hitting anti-vehicle arsenal. If the heavy team goes balls out and fields tanks only, snipers become irrelevant bar controlling capture points. A bit of a side track here, but for this reason some hack points should be open to sniper fire to give more viable corp battle options.
Public games and faction warfare can succumb into a K/D fest for all I care :)
It's a really tough map design process that CCP needs to go through to prevent the corp game degenerating to steamroll vs steamroll. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Legacy Rising
886
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Posted - 2012.12.21 13:21:00 -
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Everyone please.....I think the leuko dude was not being serious. That's why he added the smiley face. But I do wish that you guys would stopl crying wolf with all these nerf threads. Because CCP will ignore something that really does need a nerf |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.12.21 13:36:00 -
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Well played, Example Core! |
Marston EV
Doomheim
75
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Posted - 2012.12.21 14:12:00 -
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heavys are already pretty squishy though...... i miss the old build where they could have like 1500 health and were untouchable at the proto levels |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.12.21 14:14:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:
There's plenty of counters to even an extremely expensive heavy. Just because you can't figure out to counter a heavy properly doesn't mean others can't.
Also, if you think that's P2W try use it yourself then, although I suspect that won't go very well.
Your probably right, I am speced for AR use, not heavy. No experience means even with the best suit I wouldn't know what to do with it. Which is pretty clear from the Asia gameshow thing going on, as they ALL have top-line proto everything. And most go 0-x in matches. But in case nobody caught on, the thread is not exactly meant to be a serious nerf thread. Although I do despise heavies
Do what I do- over the course of the beta, try EVERY STYLE!
usually when you play AS something instead of against it, the weaknesses are far more obvious. With the exception of non-medic logis, where I found out how to easily take down a heavy as one. |
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Alldin Kan
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
169
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Posted - 2012.12.21 14:28:00 -
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Mmm, the butthurt is strong in OP. |
NAV HIV
The Generals
151
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Posted - 2012.12.21 14:58:00 -
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Heavy's are fun and exciting to fight against. They Kick everyone's **** But the excitement you get by killing a good one close range with MT Shotgun is priceless LOL |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.12.21 15:15:00 -
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Well back to basic understanding what is what effective.
Heavys have allways more armor then shields and even if it is a Type-II/Bseries/VK.1 you can take them out really quickly. And that is explosives of any kind. Espacially mass drivers work wonder against them cause they are way to slow to run for cover and that 30% extra damage hurts them really badly. You should be aible to kill any heavy with 1 full clip of a mass driver. And if he has better shields throw a flux grenade and then finish him off cause most off the time he has less armor then a militia heavy. You could aswell upgrade to advanced grenades and just throw 2 at his feet and he will not be aible to evade it cause he is just to slow. |
KryptixX
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
320
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Posted - 2012.12.21 15:40:00 -
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Low skill heavy > low skill assault
High skill heavy < high skill assault
If there is one thing they need to balance it is this. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.12.21 17:07:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:Exmaple Core. Just played a match against him, and he went 43-0 with a heavy suit. Heavies need a nerf. Seriously... That is beyond ridiculous.
I'm calling this as sarcasm.
Seriously, you can't really be creating a General Discussion thread calling for a nerf on an asset because one guy used it really well and got a really good score against your team.
Oh wait... |
Logi Bro
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
836
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Posted - 2012.12.21 17:27:00 -
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MrRAZER, or whatever his name is(it has a lot of Xs and numbers as well) Does the same thing, I only ever managed to kill him once in another game, and that was with full support from my team-mates. |
steadyhand amarr
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
338
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Posted - 2012.12.21 17:31:00 -
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Sadly logi bros can't heal stuipedy so bluedots are going stay very underpowered for a while :-) |
Exmaple Core
UnReaL.
135
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Posted - 2012.12.21 18:54:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:Exmaple Core. Just played a match against him, and he went 43-0 with a heavy suit. Heavies need a nerf. Seriously... That is beyond ridiculous.
Lolol i need an OP nurf like the missiles. That was prolly my best game ever, ran around the map murdering everyone in a skirimish. Overall very even teams on both sides so it wasent spawn camping, i almost died twice because i dident have a pocket logi giving me ammo. But hey, supply points <3 next best thing |
Skihids
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
969
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Posted - 2012.12.21 19:09:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:Exmaple Core. Just played a match against him, and he went 43-0 with a heavy suit. Heavies need a nerf. Seriously... That is beyond ridiculous. Lolol i need an OP nurf like the missiles. That was prolly my best game ever, ran around the map murdering everyone in a skirimish. Overall very even teams on both sides so it wasent spawn camping, i almost died twice because i dident have a pocket logi giving me ammo. But hey, supply points <3 next best thing
I like nothing more than following my favorite fatty around when we squad up. With Maple distracting the red dots they don't tend to shoot me nearly as much. You just keep feeding ammo into that machine and buff it up from the occasional scratch and watch it cut a murderous swath through the enemy.
It's probably obvious to most, but a good squad with at least one heavy and a logi is the way to go. |
Shouper of BHD
Better Hide R Die
37
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Posted - 2012.12.21 19:22:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:Exmaple Core. Just played a match against him, and he went 43-0 with a heavy suit. Heavies need a nerf. Seriously... That is beyond ridiculous.
reasons you got pwned and how you should react:
A) his role is heavy suits : found some 1 with the role of long range or cordinate with a team (if possible ge a mic and get soem freinds or local players).
B) he had a medic/repair tool or is/was in a squad : an un-orginized team will always be pushed to its knees in this game if theres a well orginized team, even if you have a few proto guns or skilled players without orginazation you will and on the receiver end of example A`s reaction.
C) you are a noob, having a bad day or don`t have the tools or capibility to cordinate : takes about 12 hours GT to go from noob to easily able to carry your own weight, theres always next time (happens to evryone, I was extracting a guy with my Promithies with proto missle luanchers and all, he apearently had called in a tank to get him out as I was descending to land...... thats ok 20 promithies`s salvaged and 10 Erynx`s so it wasn`t that bad....), use you earned Sp and iSK to fullfill your role`s need (don`t do things by hafe mesures, advance is where you want to get inless you are talking dropsuits, but if you are really into dropsuits surly do go for proto, but for thoose who aren`t going there stop at advance, stoping at stadear in most cases wastes your ISK and SP since they are just bearly better then Skinweave and other suits/militial/beta tester tools.
theres a few more that i can do but I havn`tb read much of your feedback in this thread and the smiley face you added makes me feel like a wasted my time replying to a troller. |
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SoTa PoP
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
1772
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Posted - 2012.12.21 19:35:00 -
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aren't people with DJINN in there name suppose to be good? I know when I see a DJINN tag the only thing I want to do is make him rage :)
DJINN destroyer or w/e is such a beast. Or was it Punisher? idr. |
MassiveNine
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
100
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Posted - 2012.12.21 19:42:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:aren't people with DJINN in there name suppose to be good? I know when I see a DJINN tag the only thing I want to do is make him rage :)
DJINN destroyer or w/e is such a beast. Or was it Punisher? idr.
No the title DJINN means they are a scrub and it should be an easy match =]]
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Enkidu Camuel
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
69
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Posted - 2012.12.21 19:44:00 -
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OP, instead of crying you should learn how to fight against a heavy. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
641
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Posted - 2012.12.21 21:24:00 -
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KryptixX wrote:Low skill heavy > low skill assault
High skill heavy < high skill assault
If there is one thing they need to balance it is this.
QFT
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
132
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Posted - 2012.12.21 21:39:00 -
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They are fine - for how expensive they are and with definite weak spots, it's ok to be better than an average assault suit in close to medium distance. Definitely takes a bit of skill to go 40 in one game. An average heavy does not break 1 KDR by much, which is exactly where they belong given their expense.
Oh and also, he must got massively lucky that game cuz he is usually not that good. |
Kira Lannister
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
711
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Posted - 2012.12.21 22:13:00 -
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Maybe he used some bad ass ob's? |
axis alpha
Red Star.
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Posted - 2012.12.21 23:48:00 -
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they arent THAT hard to kill. though the last 100 armor can be a b**** |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.12.21 23:56:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:Sadly logi bros can't heal stuipedy so bluedots are going stay very underpowered for a while :-)
Exactly why I don't usually bother going all out medic anymore. |
Selinate deux
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2012.12.22 00:00:00 -
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Heavies with those miniguns are **** at range.
Just FYI. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.12.22 00:06:00 -
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Selinate deux wrote:Heavies with those miniguns are **** at range.
Just FYI.
And insanely easy to kill with remote explosives if there's any decent cover. |
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Paran Tadec
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
902
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Posted - 2012.12.22 00:11:00 -
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One account is all the evidence we need. LOL
"players play smarter than me, please nerf other players" |
KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
248
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Posted - 2012.12.22 01:16:00 -
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Raxsus1 wrote:Come say Heavies need a nerf when your fit costs anywhere between 300,000- 500,000 ISK(and thats not while using the VK.1 Proto Heavy)
Current prices have nothing to do with equipment balance.
Anyone trying to buff or nerf something using the price as an argument is actually hampering this balancing work.
Please don't do that. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.12.22 02:35:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:One account is all the evidence we need. LOL
"players play smarter than me, please nerf other players"
Of course, that's the core failure of this game.
Thinking about your loadout and engaging intelligently lets you come out on top.
Why would anyone want that? |
Selinate deux
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2012.12.22 02:38:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Raxsus1 wrote:Come say Heavies need a nerf when your fit costs anywhere between 300,000- 500,000 ISK(and thats not while using the VK.1 Proto Heavy) Current prices have nothing to do with equipment balance. Anyone trying to buff or nerf something using the price as an argument is actually hampering this balancing work. Please don't do that.
Eventually the set prices in this game are going to be a moot point, advanced will probably cost more than proto gear due to the increase in the amount of people using them (unless CCP gives a huge material cost on protos), and we will be subject to the whims of the market.
I don't get why people complain about the price so much. As long as you can still afford to buy it, since this is a beta and the items are seeded, it really doesn't make a difference... |
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