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Callsign Tango wanted the following to be posted on his behalf, as he does not have forum access:

"I feel that Aurum should be refunded based on the following reasons:

1. I have lost hundreds of Aurum suits fitted with Aurum gear to players using exploits that CCP has known about but did not immediately fix. As a result, CCP is culpable for my lost of money in these situations, and a refund due to a poor product are warranted in this situation.

2. CCP stated previously that it would be returned to the players each build leading up to release.

3. As the items changed properties (i.e. iron sights), CCP is changing the deliverable of products purchased with real money after the purchase was final. Any market that works on the premise of paying for specific items (meaning non-subscription based) should result in no changes to what was purchased, and any changes made should impact new purchases only."

Thanks for reading Callsign's information. A reply from CCP Commander Wang would be appreciated, as Callsign makes some very legitmate points.

It's a Beta, where you're testing things that are almost guaranteed to change.

All AUR will be refunded upon release, I'm not really sure what else to tell you. Don't spend real money on a beta if you're afraid the stats might change?

I mean, seriously bro?

1. And when the game goes live, after the new build's exploits (which will undoubtedly cost many players a lot of Aurum) hae been fixed, you'll be reimbursed for ALL the Aurum you've spent over this period.

2. Source?

3. This is within the terms of use, and perfectly reasonable to expect while the game is still in beta. If it was post-release, then you might have grounds to argue, but even then, there will probably be a license agreement to accept, and it will probably cover the potential for rebalancing to be applied retroactively to purchased items as long as your altered items retain the same core functionality. If not, you might have grounds, POST-RELEASE (still not in the beta) to request a refund.

Love how people think this is my position and reply expecting to to disagree with them. I'm just a messenger :)

Any beta tester that is not up in arms over CCPs failure to account for thier breaking of this agreement should 'baaa' softly as you are led along like good little sheep.

CCP has led the community to believe that during each new build and again prior to release Aurum would be reset.

Now I will grant you that what we've seen today seems more like a patch than a build but that's what ccp is calling this: a build.

So what's changed? Why no Aurum reset? Is this not what we were led to believe? We also expected a skill and asset / isk wipe... If that is yet to come then the Aurum reset will surely coincide. But only foolish over trusting sheep allow an agreement between parties involving money to be breached without explanation.

CCP has led the community to believe that during each new build and again prior to release Aurum would be reset.

So what's changed? Why no Aurum reset? Is this not what we were led to believe?

We also expected a skill and asset / isk wipe... If that is yet to come then the Aurum reset will surely coincide. But only foolish over trusting sheep allow an agreement between parties involving money to be breached without explanation.

Any beta tester that is not up in arms over CCPs failure to account for thier breaking of this agreement should 'baaa' softly as you are led along like good little sheep.

CCP has led the community to believe that during each new build and again prior to release Aurum would be reset.

Now I will grant you that what we've seen today seems more like a patch than a build but that's what ccp is calling this: a build.

So what's changed? Why no Aurum reset? Is this not what we were led to believe? We also expected a skill and asset / isk wipe... If that is yet to come then the Aurum reset will surely coincide. But only foolish over trusting sheep allow an agreement between parties involving money to be breached without explanation.

Any beta tester that is not up in arms over CCPs failure to account for thier breaking of this agreement should 'baaa' softly as you are led along like good little sheep.

CCP has led the community to believe that during each new build and again prior to release Aurum would be reset.

Now I will grant you that what we've seen today seems more like a patch than a build but that's what ccp is calling this: a build.

So what's changed? Why no Aurum reset? Is this not what we were led to believe? We also expected a skill and asset / isk wipe... If that is yet to come then the Aurum reset will surely coincide. But only foolish over trusting sheep allow an agreement between parties involving money to be breached without explanation.

Source? Other than assumptions made due to past experience, I haven't seen evidence to support this. Also, CCP have given plenty of notice advising players that this build WOULDN'T come with a reset.


If "we" were paying attention, then that isn't what "we" were led to believe, because "we" had been specifically told otherwise. Only those who WEREN'T part of the "we" who pay attention missed the repeated notifications and advance warnings and reminders that this build WASN'T coming with a reset.


YOU were expecting a skill/asset/ISK wipe. "We" who actually follow the official announcements were prepared for this not to happen with the new build, because "we" listened and read the announcements advising us that this wouldn't be the case.