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Cerebral Wolf Jr
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Posted - 2012.12.02 00:13:00 -
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http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14154867
That's over 10 billion isk lost in fittings and the hull cost of a single ship. This is why the economy has to be balanced and done gradually or people like us who can afford to throw that much money away on small gang PVP, not even Nullsec warfare, will have a huge advantage.
Now all have a laugh at uncle SUAS's loss mail because it's one of my favs and i take the **** out of him every time i see him now, but still worth sharing with you guys just how rich we are.
:EDIT: This fast turned into an economic thread and a serious discussion by the end of this page: Take not kiddies. |
ReGnUM PERFECTION DEI
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14154867
That's over 10 billion isk lost in fittings and the hull cost of a single ship. This is why the economy has to be balanced and done gradually or people like us who can afford to throw that much money away on small gang PVP, not even Nullsec warfare, will have a huge advantage.
Now all have a laugh at uncle SUAS's loss mail because it's one of my favs and i take the **** out of him every time i see him now, but still worth sharing with you guys just how rich we are.
Please SPONSOR ME |
HowDidThatTaste
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Posted - 2012.12.02 00:20:00 -
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No.'sponsors for regnum. He has expensive tastes. Them black suits are immortal. |
MItt R0mney
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Posted - 2012.12.02 00:21:00 -
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Your epeen is showing. 
Good point about the economic balance of both games. |
Cyn Bruin
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Posted - 2012.12.02 00:24:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14154867
That's over 10 billion isk lost in fittings and the hull cost of a single ship. This is why the economy has to be balanced and done gradually or people like us who can afford to throw that much money away on small gang PVP, not even Nullsec warfare, will have a huge advantage.
Now all have a laugh at uncle SUAS's loss mail because it's one of my favs and i take the **** out of him every time i see him now, but still worth sharing with you guys just how rich we are.
Maybe it's just my small mind, but I'm trying to figure out the point of your post.... Let me see if I can paraphrase, "We are more rich than you, always will be and skill won't matter when this game goes live unless you moderate isk transfer from EVE to DUST." Am I close? Or is this supposed to be a helpful thread that informs CCP of something they don't know?
PC games, FPS gamers are very different. You should have noticed this from the forums in case you've never played an FPS. There are alot of hybrids that play both, but most aren't good at both.
Do I care how much isk you have in EVE? Nope, probably more than me. Do I care whether I can shoot you in the face on a daily basis and win (provided I ever see you in game), yup. FPS mentality much different than PC is my point. DUST is FPS and people with FPS skill will always make isk and not worry about well funded zergs. Gonna be hard to throw zergs when there are player limits to corp. battles. |
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sponsor me D: I dont have any contacts ;~; |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
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Posted - 2012.12.02 00:33:00 -
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I'm a FPS player first and an EVE player second, don't just stereotype and assume that we're "zerging" like the other uninformed idiots out there. I like you're CEO, he's a good bloke and he knows what he's doing in a lot of things that i've seen thus far and have a lot of respect for your corp, don't sour it by being a **** and trying to stereotype us when we don't do that to you and just assume you're another stupid MAG clan.
If you'd like to have an intelligent discussion about the FPS side of things and how it will interact with EVE and how EVE ISK will still have an impact on Dust, even with things like player limits etc i'd be more than happy to have that discussion with you, but again, make it an intelligent discussion rather than just trying to sound like a macho ****.
The point of this thread was to show how much money some EVE players can throw away and start a discussion on it, we're by no means the only rich people in the game and if you want contracts from us, you should at least take the time to talk to us like people and not children. Sometimes the point of a thread is just to show of something cool and funny and that loss mail is something we laugh about and i'd like to share with my fellow Dusters, is that such a bad thing?... But it also allows people to see why Dust is going to be important to EVE as a huge ISK sink to stop people throwing away massive volumes of ISK like that on a single ship.
There's lots of reasons to share it and that can be discussed from it, why should i pick the specific topic of discussion? I decided to share something cool and funny. Why don't you choose to discuss something and add something to the thread?
Reg, i'd personally sponsor you for ***** and giggles and i'm worth several billion more each passing week. |
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Posted - 2012.12.02 00:44:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14154867
That's over 10 billion isk lost in fittings and the hull cost of a single ship. This is why the economy has to be balanced and done gradually or people like us who can afford to throw that much money away on small gang PVP, not even Nullsec warfare, will have a huge advantage.
Now all have a laugh at uncle SUAS's loss mail because it's one of my favs and i take the **** out of him every time i see him now, but still worth sharing with you guys just how rich we are.
**** man! Faction, Navy and Officer modules in one loss? Holy ship! If that was my loss I would soooooooooo not show my face again for at least a few months.
But I do see your point about the economic balance. If Dust and Eve are to join both economies in New Eden, there should be some kind of tarriff-like tax imposed for ISK transfers between the games. The tax would be dependent on the price index of one of the two economies depending on which side the ISK is flowing from. |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
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It's going to be very, very, very difficult for CCP to balance it and i dont think they'll ever be able to balance it perfectly prior to breaking the walls down and letting the two economies interact with each other.
Personally, i have HUGE concerns about this and it's going to have a massive impact on one of the games while allowing the players of the other game to gain a lot of money or stock one way or the other. Either way i'm personally sure to profit having that i play both games and i'm pretty spacerich but still, that don't limit the worry that i have about this, it's got to be my biggest concern about both games.
If they put too much emphasis on Dust from the EVE side they will loose EVE players over it because they can be that fickle about things and they if put too little emphasis on it Dust won't have a respectable player base that that could really hamper the games future, especially considering how the game plays right now, it's no battlefield thats for sure.
Also, that Rattlecock as we called it was SUAS's bait and tank ship as you can obviously tell as an EVE player, look at what it took to take down that little battleship, 2 deadnaughts and 23 other ships, mainly battlecruisers. That ship could take one hell of a beating and was amazing for drawing out people to fight us when used as bait.
Was pretty funny when SUAS lost it though. |
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Posted - 2012.12.02 00:53:00 -
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I wanted a rattlesnake...
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2012.12.02 00:56:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Also, that Rattlecock as we called it was SUAS's bait and tank ship as you can obviously tell as an EVE player, look at what it took to take down that little battleship, 2 deadnaughts and 23 other ships, mainly battlecruisers. That ship could take one hell of a beating and was amazing for drawing out people to fight us when used as bait.
Was pretty funny when SUAS lost it though.
That's one expensive bait. I'm also surprised that it took a Revelation and a Moros to kill it. |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
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Posted - 2012.12.02 01:03:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Also, that Rattlecock as we called it was SUAS's bait and tank ship as you can obviously tell as an EVE player, look at what it took to take down that little battleship, 2 deadnaughts and 23 other ships, mainly battlecruisers. That ship could take one hell of a beating and was amazing for drawing out people to fight us when used as bait.
Was pretty funny when SUAS lost it though. That's one expensive bait. I'm also surprised that it took a Revelation and a Moros to kill it.
We'd often get bored on gate camps etc in Syndicate and the whole gang would open up on SUAS just to see if we could ever break his tank, sometimes there was 30-40 of us messing about and couldn't scratch it, it's an amazing ship to FC from and killmailwhore but not very practical if you ever want to kill things, i much prefer a Vindicator for that personally. Being able to pop cruisers in a single volley is a pretty great feeling.
SUAS is hardly short on ISK either, he did steal a titan from us at one point as i'm sure you all know from his song.
http://soundcloud.com/shutupandshave/i-robbed-a-goon |
Cyn Bruin
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Posted - 2012.12.02 01:16:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:I'm a FPS player first and an EVE player second, don't just stereotype and assume that we're "zerging" like the other uninformed idiots out there. I like you're CEO, he's a good bloke and he knows what he's doing in a lot of things that i've seen thus far and have a lot of respect for your corp, don't sour it by being a **** and trying to stereotype us when we don't do that to you and just assume you're another stupid MAG clan.
If you'd like to have an intelligent discussion about the FPS side of things and how it will interact with EVE and how EVE ISK will still have an impact on Dust, even with things like player limits etc i'd be more than happy to have that discussion with you, but again, make it an intelligent discussion rather than just trying to sound like a macho ****.
I decided to share something cool and funny. Why don't you choose to discuss something and add something to the thread?
I'm not sterotyping, if I was I'd say something along the lines of, "Space ships can't walk, learn to shoot on the ground." I already told you I have a small mind, so assume I'm an idiot.
If what I have to say sours your opinion of us, then you are as small minded as I. Some of us are from MAG, so maybe we are dumberer. Been playing FPS games since they came about, what I lack in intelligence I make up for in age. I wasn't trying to sound tough, anyone that's ever faced me on the battlefield knows I suck, but your EPEEN thread was not needed and reeks of "OMG LOOK AT HOW RICH I AM". IF you are apart of goons, you shouldnt need to brag, but then again, you are proving the sterotype correct.
Adding something postitve to an EPEEN thread... Imperfects have little experience with that so I wouldn't know where to begin. |
Cyn Bruin
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Posted - 2012.12.02 01:19:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:It's going to be very, very, very difficult for CCP to balance it and i dont think they'll ever be able to balance it perfectly prior to breaking the walls down and letting the two economies interact with each other.
This I totally agree with. I think I just contributed positively to the thread, ugh.
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Cerebral Wolf Jr
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Posted - 2012.12.02 01:23:00 -
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LOL that's a good reply. I'll give you a +1 for that. I'm use to these forums being excessively hostile and i've been on a break so you'll have to forgive me for jumping to conclusions! Just look at the response i got from ZionShad in the CSM discussion thread, not much love there.
A single person will not effect my opinion of a group of people no, but i do for some reason tend to expect all players of the came corp to act in a similar manner, i know people are individuals but stereotypically people pick corps based on similar interests and ideals and maybe its years of Goon indoctrination but i just expect some semblance of similarity from people of matching tags. Call that old age on my part if you like.
This is by no means a EPEEN thread, it's title may make you think that but typically anything with the wood GOON in it gets peoples attention around here and i like a good thread every once in awhile, i'm no where near as spacerich as some folk, i'm pretty poor in really but if you compare my balance to that of your average EVE player i'm considered pretty rich because i can afford to fly around in a 3 billion isk ship myself and pay for my game time using in game cash rather than real life money.
It's all about perspective i guess but you did come into the thread all guns blazing to be fair. |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
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Posted - 2012.12.02 01:24:00 -
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Cyn Bruin wrote:Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:It's going to be very, very, very difficult for CCP to balance it and i dont think they'll ever be able to balance it perfectly prior to breaking the walls down and letting the two economies interact with each other. This I totally agree with. I think I just contributed positively to the thread, ugh.
OP SUCCESS then i guess.
I've no idea where to even begin speculating on how they're going to even get this to work, maybe a chat CCP_Nuthin is in order, is he still around on the forums? |
Omnipotens Zitro
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Posted - 2012.12.02 01:38:00 -
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Cerebral, I totally agree with you. TBH I don't think CCP can do anything to stop the flow of ISK really. We are going to be given contracts from EVE corps and alliances. They will be the ones giving dust Merc ISK. So how can CCP stop the flow of ISK?
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Cyn Bruin
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Posted - 2012.12.02 01:44:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:LOL that's a good reply. I'll give you a +1 for that. I'm use to these forums being excessively hostile and i've been on a break so you'll have to forgive me for jumping to conclusions! Just look at the response i got from ZionShad in the CSM discussion thread, not much love there.
A single person will not effect my opinion of a group of people no, but i do for some reason tend to expect all players of the came corp to act in a similar manner
typically anything with the wood GOON in it gets peoples attention around here
It's all about perspective i guess but you did come into the thread all guns blazing to be fair.
Yep and usually the hostility is directed at us for some reason, see any similarities? You attacked Zion Shad, how did you expect him to respond, its all reciprocal. Most in these forums will jump at the opportunity to give someone an EPEEN mushroom stamp.
Yep our leader is a good one, he lets individuals be themselves and doesnt muzzle opinions like other corps. Most corps. are concerned of how they will be perceived, we don't have that issue. People think what they want, we do our job, win.
Typically anything with the word Imperfects in it illicits a hostile response, whether it's provoked or not.
Yes I did, some of your past posts rubbed me the wrong way so I decided to respond to this one how I saw fit. Honesty and being up front about any problems we have in corp. is one of our things, I'm just projecting that to you (me anyway).
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Ydubbs81 RND
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:I'm a FPS player first and an EVE player second, don't just stereotype and assume that we're "zerging" like the other uninformed idiots out there. I like you're CEO, he's a good bloke and he knows what he's doing in a lot of things that i've seen thus far and have a lot of respect for your corp, don't sour it by being a **** and trying to stereotype us when we don't do that to you and just assume you're another stupid MAG clan.
If you'd like to have an intelligent discussion about the FPS side of things and how it will interact with EVE and how EVE ISK will still have an impact on Dust, even with things like player limits etc i'd be more than happy to have that discussion with you, but again, make it an intelligent discussion rather than just trying to sound like a macho ****.
The point of this thread was to show how much money some EVE players can throw away and start a discussion on it, we're by no means the only rich people in the game and if you want contracts from us, you should at least take the time to talk to us like people and not children. Sometimes the point of a thread is just to show of something cool and funny and that loss mail is something we laugh about and i'd like to share with my fellow Dusters, is that such a bad thing?... But it also allows people to see why Dust is going to be important to EVE as a huge ISK sink to stop people throwing away massive volumes of ISK like that on a single ship.
There's lots of reasons to share it and that can be discussed from it, why should i pick the specific topic of discussion? I decided to share something cool and funny. Why don't you choose to discuss something and add something to the thread?
Reg, i'd personally sponsor you for ***** and giggles and i'm worth several billion more each passing week.
Man, why are you consistently disrespecting MAG clans? "....assume you're just another stupid MAG clan"
Some of the best corps/players in the beta are from MAG. And to be honest, what would this beta be if it weren't for MAG clans?
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Omnipotens Zitro
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:I'm a FPS player first and an EVE player second, don't just stereotype and assume that we're "zerging" like the other uninformed idiots out there. I like you're CEO, he's a good bloke and he knows what he's doing in a lot of things that i've seen thus far and have a lot of respect for your corp, don't sour it by being a **** and trying to stereotype us when we don't do that to you and just assume you're another stupid MAG clan.
If you'd like to have an intelligent discussion about the FPS side of things and how it will interact with EVE and how EVE ISK will still have an impact on Dust, even with things like player limits etc i'd be more than happy to have that discussion with you, but again, make it an intelligent discussion rather than just trying to sound like a macho ****.
The point of this thread was to show how much money some EVE players can throw away and start a discussion on it, we're by no means the only rich people in the game and if you want contracts from us, you should at least take the time to talk to us like people and not children. Sometimes the point of a thread is just to show of something cool and funny and that loss mail is something we laugh about and i'd like to share with my fellow Dusters, is that such a bad thing?... But it also allows people to see why Dust is going to be important to EVE as a huge ISK sink to stop people throwing away massive volumes of ISK like that on a single ship.
There's lots of reasons to share it and that can be discussed from it, why should i pick the specific topic of discussion? I decided to share something cool and funny. Why don't you choose to discuss something and add something to the thread?
Reg, i'd personally sponsor you for ***** and giggles and i'm worth several billion more each passing week. Man, why are you consistently disrespecting MAG clans? "....assume you're just another stupid MAG clan" Some of the best corps/players in the beta are from MAG. And to be honest, what would this beta be if it weren't for MAG clans?
I'm not from MAG.
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Cerebral Wolf Jr
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Posted - 2012.12.02 02:31:00 -
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I didn't attack him, i voiced an opinion i knew he wouldn't like because i hate "shmoozers" i think you americans call them that, correct me if i'm wrong. It's interesting to come back after a little break and see how certain individuals have managed to convince large portions of the community to support their own selfish agendas when there's little to no reason for it at all just yet. Someone had to say something and there's a good chance a lot of people who've been here while i've been away have failed to notice it as a large change in direction for many people simple because its been done gradually so as not to attract attention.
Anyway, moving on! People love EPEEN Mushroom stamps here, it's what i hate about the console community myself but i think that could just be an age things as you're average console gamer is younger than me now a days. They've attracted more users over the years and i've just got older. Yes i see the similarities you mentioned too, which is part of the reason i like you guys so much, you attract a lot of **** for the same reasons so i can relate because i know a lot of it is just jealous idiots.
I wouldn't say Goons don't let people be individuals, we actually encourage it but anyone who's just an outright idiot or does something that you couldn't get away with in the real world, like sexism, racism etc is instantly called out over it and typically hung drawn and quartered publicly. We do expect a certain level of maturity from our guys internally at least, we couldn't a give **** what do to non goons as many people know.
Project anything you like, i respect people with opinions and who are straight up a hell of a lot more than those manipulative types as i'm pretty sure you've worked out already, i'm always rubbing someone up the wrong way though, though voicing my opinion, being older or just being a part of a culture a lot of people don't get, i stopped letting it bother me years ago.
Omnipotens Zitro wrote:Cerebral, I totally agree with you. TBH I don't think CCP can do anything to stop the flow of ISK really. We are going to be given contracts from EVE corps and alliances. They will be the ones giving dust Merc ISK. So how can CCP stop the flow of ISK?
The CSM has actually released their agenda for the winter summit recently there's to be discussions by the CSM on the EVE/Dust link, i've formally requested that the CSM also bring the topic of conversation over here as it's important that part of the discussion takes place here with us not being limited by the NDA and not everyone here being EVE players either. I hope they listen because this is massively important stuff and shouldn't be left just to a single community to discuss.
As far as your post, the theory right now, as far as we know is that EVE corps will place contracts to pay Dust corps so obviously there's going to be a cross over and a link but it's the larger economic stuff that worries me, manufacturing, item costs etc.
There's nothing stopping Goonwaffe putting up a 100 billion isk contract up on the first day for a planet directly to our corp and paying us even if we loose i'm guessing and that's got to be addressed. There's also the fact that corp contracts don't pay individual corp members, it's deposits the funds into the corp wallet for the CEO/Directors to distribute which i also think is open to abuse for isk transfer reasons so i've actually emailed CmdrWang about it hoping to get some more details because i've got some ideas on it that can stop it being abused and everyone knows how good Goons are at thinking outside the box to abuse game mechanics.
It would make more sense to me for example to just allow the corp to set a flat tax rate that takes away what ever percentage that corp decides from the overall corp contract reward and to distribute the rest of the funds evenly between those who took part in the battle.
For me doing it in it's currently way i'd just get Mittens or someone to set up a contract for a few billion isk, once its in the corp wallet i can transfer it myself right away and that will be abused. |
Apu-Punchau
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Posted - 2012.12.02 02:34:00 -
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Can I raise a practical question at this point? Are we gonna do "Stonehenge" tomorrow?
Also, why would having EVE players dump ISK into DUST be bad?
I already have more ISK in DUST than I can spend, personally.
I would gladly pay you Tuesday for a Rifter today. |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
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Posted - 2012.12.02 02:35:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:I'm a FPS player first and an EVE player second, don't just stereotype and assume that we're "zerging" like the other uninformed idiots out there. I like you're CEO, he's a good bloke and he knows what he's doing in a lot of things that i've seen thus far and have a lot of respect for your corp, don't sour it by being a **** and trying to stereotype us when we don't do that to you and just assume you're another stupid MAG clan.
If you'd like to have an intelligent discussion about the FPS side of things and how it will interact with EVE and how EVE ISK will still have an impact on Dust, even with things like player limits etc i'd be more than happy to have that discussion with you, but again, make it an intelligent discussion rather than just trying to sound like a macho ****.
The point of this thread was to show how much money some EVE players can throw away and start a discussion on it, we're by no means the only rich people in the game and if you want contracts from us, you should at least take the time to talk to us like people and not children. Sometimes the point of a thread is just to show of something cool and funny and that loss mail is something we laugh about and i'd like to share with my fellow Dusters, is that such a bad thing?... But it also allows people to see why Dust is going to be important to EVE as a huge ISK sink to stop people throwing away massive volumes of ISK like that on a single ship.
There's lots of reasons to share it and that can be discussed from it, why should i pick the specific topic of discussion? I decided to share something cool and funny. Why don't you choose to discuss something and add something to the thread?
Reg, i'd personally sponsor you for ***** and giggles and i'm worth several billion more each passing week. Man, why are you consistently disrespecting MAG clans? "....assume you're just another stupid MAG clan" Some of the best corps/players in the beta are from MAG. And to be honest, what would this beta be if it weren't for MAG clans?
I was stereotyping for dramatic effect, if you check my post history, while quite large, you'll see i've actually backed up mag players from time to time, except when they are being dicks and stereotyping about EVE players. I like the MAG community and i've made many friends in Dust that are ex MAG players, it's the elitism i have an issue with, not the game of the player base. It will be the same when the came is released and we get the BF and COD players here except what you'll see then is the current (EVE/MAG) players siding together against to COD/BF players. It's a normal part of community integration but if you can honestly find something from me specifically targetting a MAG player who's not going off on one about someone just because they play EVE i'll admit to it happily as a mistake and apologise for it but i assure you, you're very, very wrong. |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
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Posted - 2012.12.02 02:39:00 -
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Apu-Punchau wrote:Can I raise a practical question at this point? Are we gonna do "Stonehenge" tomorrow?
Also, why would having EVE players dump ISK into DUST be bad?
I already have more ISK in DUST than I can spend, personally.
I would gladly pay you Tuesday for a Rifter today.
I've got several million in the bank in Dust myself, i've got more ISK than i can use and that's without taking part in the ISK FEST event they held a few weeks ago.
Long term, economically, it's going to **** both economies up if they don't deal with it right and it could mean the end of one or both games, that's the biggest issue i personally have with it.
I've chatted with some of the major "jewbal" members in goonwaffe about this and we're in agreement that it could end very, very badly. Think of it this way, people from EVE transfer isk to Dust, select Dust players will have huge volumes of ISK to burn and that will give them a significant equipment advantage over new players..
New players get sick of being slaughtered all by the time by the advantage EVE players have and eventually leave. No new players means Dust will fail and if Dust fails its perfectly possible that CCP will fail and go under considering the size of the investment they've placed in Dust to make sure it works, if they **** up it could destroy the company, Dust and EVE and that's why it's important it's done correctly. |
Free Beers
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Posted - 2012.12.02 02:43:00 -
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You and I should go on Podside together.
We can call it "Beers and the Brain" segment. We give hugs and friendship bracelets nullsec style (not to be confused with Regnum Style KDR above all else productions TM)
Also hit me up on irc we can have economy chat
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
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Posted - 2012.12.02 02:43:00 -
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At first, I didn't really "like" this thread.
After reading everything, it brings up a serious...question(?) that I find extremely interesting.
+1 my good man. Not to the original post, to the posts by the original poster and the ones I find giving meaning/clarification to the original post. I'd write more things about posts, but i'm running out of ways to fill this post up with the word "post".
POST EDIT: This post had a silly error, writing "right" instead of "write", nothing serious. I just like my posts to be the best posts they can be. |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
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Posted - 2012.12.02 02:56:00 -
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:At first, I didn't really "like" this thread.
After reading everything, it brings up a serious...question(?) that I find extremely interesting.
+1 my good man. Not to the original post, to the posts by the original poster and the ones I find giving meaning/clarification to the original post. I'd write more things about posts, but i'm running out of ways to fill this post up with the word "post".
POST EDIT: This post had a silly error, writing "right" instead of "write", nothing serious. I just like my posts to be the best posts the can be.
I like this post. The OP was meant to just stirr things up a little, i may start a real economic thread tomorrow but it's 3am here and i really should be in the bed, the Mrs want's to go shopping in the morning. :effort:
I'll be about on IRC at some point now i'm back into Dust after my break, i'm very rusty though, GLOO GLOO kicked my arse earlier a lot more than he did a month and half ago.
I've got very, very deep and serious concerns about the economics of these games and the implications they could have on the future but it's hard to speculate with so little information on what's planned too.
Is CCP_Nuthin still kicking around?
As for Podside, that wouldn't happen in a billion years, ZionShad is very Anti-Goon and as such wouldn't do much to try and help me out. lol. |
Apu-Punchau
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Posted - 2012.12.02 03:20:00 -
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The game has a steep learning curve by design and I doubt its target demographic is going to be hurt by having to save up some ISK/learn mad skillz. As overstated elsewhere, skill will trump funds anyhow.
I would think the players with gobs of ISK to burn would gravitate to different matches than the newbies based on ROI. Skill point based matchmaking could filter it even further.
Someone somewhere (wishful thinking?) mentioned the idea of having a bounty system in DUST, which could alleviate some of the rich boy trolling in skirmishes. Maybe.
Or maybe this really is the apocalypse and EVE will be free to play within a couple years and you can buy a Titan for a few euros. |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
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Posted - 2012.12.02 03:25:00 -
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ISK will always play a part in battles, maybe not in the short term but certainly over longer, more drawn out conflicts, look at the 2 great wars in EVE, they both lasted for a couple of years when you combine the time and must have cost trillions of ISK and that's going to be a massive factor in Dust when a Corp with rich EVE backing and no skills can constantly take on the top KD/R corps and simply win by them being broke and not being able to either afford the contracts or having to grind ISK elsewhere so they can afford contracts which would mean they spend less time defending districts.
ISK's always going to be a major part of any prolonged type of engagement, it may not be a massive factor in the smaller scale stuff like we're seeing now but it will be the main driving force behind the game in the future. |
Cyn Bruin
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Posted - 2012.12.02 03:35:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:
New players get sick of being slaughtered all by the time by the advantage VETERAN players have and eventually leave.
I substituted VETERAN for EVE for a better fit. IMO it doesn't matter if you're an EVE player, but it does matter if you're a veteran player. You will have information those coming into the DUST game won't. It's not as big a learning cliff as EVE but for FPS players it's close.
But let's say that EVE players come in with trillions of isk and others come in with millions. Won't matter. As DUST mercs we support ourselves as is through public games, this won't change regardless of EVE involvement. So even scrubs like us can make enough/give enough to corp to keep everyone in the best suits/vehicles.
My point... ISK will matter a little bit, but not more than skill at shooting people. Shooting people makes isk, if you dont have skill at killing and have tons of isk, who cares. |
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