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DankTurtle Rachmaninoff
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
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Posted - 2012.12.08 02:39:00 -
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I think 3 main key points are lacking from this thread.
1. Basic economics - Sure Goon may attempt to take over New Eden by dishing out 10-bil contracts, as will everyone else. The large concentration of ISK in EVE will shift to dust through absurd contract prices. This may buy Imperfects (assuming they align with your goals), however it will also dramatically increase the price paid to oppose them. This will massively shift the distribution of wealth in EVE - creating an ISK funnel (or black hole :p ) into the dust player's (and corp's) wallets.
2. YOU ARE IN SPACE - Currently in dust you sit in your comfortable quarters, posted up IVO the single Beta Planet. You get to shop in an always stocked market, with completely static prices. In New Eden there are currently 66,856 planets spread throughout the massive galaxy. It's a long way from the desolate Goon corner of space to Jita (fully-stocked market hub).
3. The Market - So you have some dust players roaming around space with billions of ISK in their wallets searching for more blood on the battlefield. They'll be fighting on the edges of the galaxy over contested alliance systems constantly, and thus be rapidly be burning through supplies that aren't readily available like they are in the dust beta. The price of high-end modules, suits, weapons, vehicles, etc. will skyrocket, and your 300k isk fit (currently), will easily turn into 30 mil (or more) and your 2 mil tank fill may cost upwards of 100 mil. In turn, the wealthy players of both games will pay whatever is required to maintain their campaign.
One thing you should know about EVE, is that it is very dangerous to transport large amounts of valuable goods into the edge of space, especially during times of war, where alliances are very tightly protecting their borders. This will be doubly so following the release of DUST, which will infinitely increase the value on SOV and the resources thus contained within.
For players that aren't going to be backed by billionaire corps, there are populated areas that will constantly be stocked and in need of mercenaries. Supplies will be in abundance at an affordable price, giving you the opportunity to make a name for yourself, join a corp, and start working towards those big contracts issued by alliances.
If this is difficult to understand, head over here and familiarize yourself with the current alliance sovereignty map.
-Dank
Military Strategist
Dust and EVE enthusiast |
Rhadiem
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.08 02:44:00 -
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That's one tricked out Rattle.
I'd love to hear more about this fight.. was he there for Cyno, expecting to tank long enough until support arrived? |
Dust Goon
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.12.08 03:04:00 -
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No, it was in a small gang, we've just redeployed to syndicate actually, we got hot dropped by more than we expected, the bait worked but we only expected a single dread.
As for Dank:
The economy wont shift as much as you expect, we currently own 93 technetium moons which equates several hundered billion isk per day alone, thats without taxes on ratting, PI, mining etc. Nobody really has any idea just how rich we are, prior to taking on NC. in the north we held 40 tech moons and was taking over 1 trillion isk a month just from those 40 moons.
I admit tech's been nerfed to stop us manipulating prices to a certain extent but we earn somewhere in the region of about 2 trillion isk a month just from Tech moons, then there's the other R64 and R36 moons we have to put on top of that we own a good chunk of and have been moving to capture other markets without people knowing for about the last 4 months or so since the tech nerf was proposed. We really are so filthy rich right now that 10b here and there on a contract will make little to no difference at all on our costs but we're obviously not going to start off giving contracts like that.
For a start Dust is limited to FW and we won't pay for a single contract there, we're here to watch for now and see how things unfold on their own, who stays, who falls, who can be manipulated etc etc. Maybe when we get Nullsec added into Dust contracts will be for 10b but we'll see.
2: We have THE BEST logistics network in the game. We move about 200b isk worth of materials in and out of Jita every day to and from VFK, obviously i wont share how but we have enough shell corps to keep logistics, Ask anyone we've been at war with in the last 18 months and they will confirm this.
3. I fully expect prices to sky rocket when we gain access to the market, in fact i'm counting on it to see exactly who has the staying power and what corps will crumble under the stress. STB's framework for reimbursement for example does not this into account so i know they are going to have trouble from the get go.
You don't need to lecture me about logistics, i fly in hisec with Miniluv and if you don't know who they are you should look into it, we've destroyed double the ISK in a couple of months with a handful of people than all of our corp did when we burnt jita for a weekend.
You're really under estimating my EVE knowledge and the work that not just myself but other goons have put into place already. Give us some credit at least.
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DankTurtle Rachmaninoff
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
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Posted - 2012.12.10 20:17:00 -
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That is a mind-blowing amount of transportation and income.
Quote:You're really under estimating my EVE knowledge and the work that not just myself but other goons have put into place already. Give us some credit at least.
I just wanted to note that the comments weren't necessarily directed at anyone, but I wanted to include some food-for-thought. I apologize if you feel any of it was directed towards yourself.
I look forward to seeing the progression of both games in the future. |
Dust Goon
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.12.10 23:44:00 -
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Its certainly no easy task to have a well run logistics department, we have 3 directors that run it and multiple staff below them just going POS refueling etc It really is a huge job and takes it toll on people, typically the burn out after a couple of months and need replacing unless you like to torture yourself.
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Stupid Drunk1
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
96
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Posted - 2013.01.18 00:28:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:ISK will always play a part in battles, maybe not in the short term but certainly over longer, more drawn out conflicts, look at the 2 great wars in EVE, they both lasted for a couple of years when you combine the time and must have cost trillions of ISK and that's going to be a massive factor in Dust when a Corp with rich EVE backing and no skills can constantly take on the top KD/R corps and simply win by them being broke and not being able to either afford the contracts or having to grind ISK elsewhere so they can afford contracts which would mean they spend less time defending districts.
ISK's always going to be a major part of any prolonged type of engagement, it may not be a massive factor in the smaller scale stuff like we're seeing now but it will be the main driving force behind the game in the future.
Here, here and nice posts on this thread- this game states is short term matches, corp battle = gambling/tournaments, the market is a monopoly of CCP. Those who do not have Cerebals foresight will be left in the Dust excuse the pun.
Too fight a corp, for many years with the intent of erasing them from existence cannot be done without ISK plain and simple, boots on the ground, decreasing morale of enemy dusters to run "the Haargoth risk".
I am missing your column for http://themittani.com - been missing your Dust writings. From a anonymous SA member. |
Zephos Ra
Brotherhood of Dust Bunnies
Liandri Covenant
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Posted - 2013.01.18 03:17:00 -
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Surely they will eventually replace the current NPC static market in Dust and give EVE players the ability to craft and sell gear to Dust. EVE ISK goes into Dust for contracts, Dust ISK goes back into EVE for gear.
Could take a while for the economy to stabilise though and will probably start an arms race in EVE.... |
KalOfTheRathi
CowTek
168
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Posted - 2013.01.18 04:23:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Wee Me! Mine! Ours! Not Yours! Let me guess. You can hire your Corp mates to perform those special functions involving humming. |
Stormy Geddon
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.01.18 04:59:00 -
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I've been thinking about many of these points for some time now. However I look at it, I don't see a reason to be very worried. The EVE economy is far more resilient than people seem to think, and no one should know that better than Goons. You guys stomped the crap out of the economy with that little "Burn Jita" beauty, but things still recovered just fine. Obviously it screwed some prices for a while, but things stabled out.
The inflation has been completely ridiculous for quite a while now, because ISK is flowing into EVE way too fast, and not being lost nearly as fast, so inflation is a ***** right now and something needs to be done. Hopefully they can develop a system between Dust and EVE that provides the super alliances with an incentive other than ISK, so that DUST can become a major ISK sink over time.
Even if they do, though, the ISK that will be able to be thrown around while going through growing pains is going to be absolutely amazing.
EVE's economy survived the EVE Bank, it will survive Dust. I have faith that Dr. Gunmundsson is analyzing the crap out of this merger and I'm sure they listen to him, if not us. |
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