DUST Search - To all Tank Drivers and Dropship Pilots

General Stonewall wrote:

Skihids wrote:

I did not mock you.

I knew it was coming.

I was one of the first to call or proper use and reward for flying.

Only now with turrets relegated to secondary weapons the dropship is toothless without coordinated squads large enough to fill it. There is no way to adapt to this absence. We just have to park them and wait for CCP to make flying viable again.

now this is too funny Pirate

you think that dropships haven't needed something done to them since this build came out ? if the answer is no then what game have you been playing for last month or so because every other match it has been at least up til lately mostly dropships in matches blasting everything and all things out the sky . i didn't think by them nerfing the missles they would hit the dropships hard but they have and that in itself means i am happy as can be something has been needed to be done to dropships for the longest time if anything go back to buffing and tweaking tanks id rather see those things than dropships . but im glad they did in fact nerf missles for the fact it balances out the tanks and dropships now . but that being said i think others will go onto using either itty bitty ol pea shooters on tanks now and railguns which to me suck in themselves but thats just me but the pea shooters(blasters) installations now those things pack a punch so ppl will adapt to it .
but their is always next build they they will in fact have some type of LAV ,HAV or dropship OPed in some way shape or form its been the trend now for last 2 builds .

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Chankk Saotome CrimeWave Syndicate 170	Posted - 2012.11.27 12:30:00 - [1] - Quote Others, including myself, warned you. We tried to prepare you and even help where things would go eventually. You mocked and laughed at the few of us who wanted to properly balance things rather than let the horde have their way, even moreso than those same infantry men and women who cried and moaned. To all of you I can only repeat the words you spat in the faces of so many others... "Adapt or die."
Sir Meode Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 317	Posted - 2012.11.27 12:35:00 - [2] - Quote Im glad they nerfed Missiles/missile launchers they were OP, but it gave me the chance to see how awesome Railguns and Blasters are. however they went from one extreme to another.
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 969	Posted - 2012.11.27 12:36:00 - [3] - Quote I did not mock you. I knew it was coming. I was one of the first to call or proper use and reward for flying. Only now with turrets relegated to secondary weapons the dropship is toothless without coordinated squads large enough to fill it. There is no way to adapt to this absence. We just have to park them and wait for CCP to make flying viable again.
General Stonewall Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 23	Posted - 2012.11.27 12:49:00 - [4] - Quote Skihids wrote: I did not mock you. I knew it was coming. I was one of the first to call or proper use and reward for flying. Only now with turrets relegated to secondary weapons the dropship is toothless without coordinated squads large enough to fill it. There is no way to adapt to this absence. We just have to park them and wait for CCP to make flying viable again. now this is too funny you think that dropships haven't needed something done to them since this build came out ? if the answer is no then what game have you been playing for last month or so because every other match it has been at least up til lately mostly dropships in matches blasting everything and all things out the sky . i didn't think by them nerfing the missles they would hit the dropships hard but they have and that in itself means i am happy as can be something has been needed to be done to dropships for the longest time if anything go back to buffing and tweaking tanks id rather see those things than dropships . but im glad they did in fact nerf missles for the fact it balances out the tanks and dropships now . but that being said i think others will go onto using either itty bitty ol pea shooters on tanks now and railguns which to me suck in themselves but thats just me but the pea shooters(blasters) installations now those things pack a punch so ppl will adapt to it . but their is always next build they they will in fact have some type of LAV ,HAV or dropship OPed in some way shape or form its been the trend now for last 2 builds .
Reout Karaal Doomheim 85	Posted - 2012.11.27 13:06:00 - [5] - Quote Skihids wrote: I was one of the first to call or proper use and reward for flying. This. There is no reward mechanics for pilots now. "Balancing" the game would meant nerfing SML after pilots start getting WPs for other stuff. This did not happen, Dropships now are just 700k pointless joyrides, where guys with ARs and snipers are killing your gunners before you can even get in range with your military vehicle mounted prototype weapons. Rockets do nothing, blasters require you to stop directly in front of the enemies, light railguns are a joke. It's "proper balance" only if half of your brains is missing. But at least now scrubs in militia gear will not have to look up at all. So GG, thanks for the nerf. Conclusion: OP doesn't have a clue, but wanted to show DS pilots where it's at. Can't wait for real gunships. This will bring infinite QQ to DUST and I will be there, laughing at the tears. Until waves of whiners nerf them to the ground. The cycle will continue until we reach a true form of sniper-assault-tank, the ultimate redline challenge.
Knightshade Belladonna Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 288	Posted - 2012.11.27 13:15:00 - [6] - Quote Reout Karaal wrote: Skihids wrote: I was one of the first to call or proper use and reward for flying. This. There is no reward mechanics for pilots now. "Balancing" the game would meant nerfing SML after pilots start getting WPs for other stuff. This did not happen, Dropships now are just 700k pointless joyrides, where guys with ARs and snipers are killing your gunners before you can even get in range with your military vehicle mounted prototype weapons. Rockets do nothing, blasters require you to stop directly in front of the enemies, light railguns are a joke. It's "proper balance" only if half of your brains is missing. But at least now scrubs in militia gear will not have to look up at all. So GG, thanks for the nerf. Conclusion: OP doesn't have a clue, but wanted to show DS pilots where it's at. Can't wait for real gunships. This will bring infinite QQ to DUST and I will be there, laughing at the tears. Until waves of whiners nerf them to the ground. The cycle will continue until we reach a true form of sniper-assault-tank, the ultimate redline challenge. By the time you get your gunships, we will have a few forms of electronic warfare along with a new swarm type launcher :) I for one will have webifiers and ecm in my skill set
Reout Karaal Doomheim 85	Posted - 2012.11.27 14:11:00 - [7] - Quote Knightshade Belladonna wrote: By the time you get your gunships, we will have a few forms of electronic warfare along with a new swarm type launcher :) I for one will have webifiers and ecm in my skill set And I loved forging DSs before the nerf. Because they posed a threat. Now they're just sad puppies, not even worth putting BFG fit on. I also hope you understand that electronic warfare will go both ways. So the QQ will repeat inevitably.
Governor Odius Doomheim 177	Posted - 2012.11.27 14:12:00 - [8] - Quote I think what we're starting to see is that the intended roles for vehicles is somewhat smaller than we thought initially. Some of us, myself included, are used to thinking of our vehicles as just another dropsuit. A big and expensive one, sure, but still, my dropship was my avatar in matches, I didn't want to be on the ground. It's starting to look like the intended role is actually significantly smaller, however. Just as it's not feasible to run fully prototype 100k dropsuits in pub matches (since you'll lose money with even two deaths, and even one death will see you making less money than you would with a militia suit) it seems it's not intended to be feasible to use high-end vehicles in these matches either. We clearly can't expect them to last more than a game or two, no matter how high-tech, so we need to consider how to make cheaply fit vehicles work. They also took the teeth out of vehicles, and again I think this is somewhat intended. In the case of dropships this was obvious, we're piloting transports we don't need all that damage output. HAVs have lost a bit too, but when skill bonuses get implemented they'll get it back. According to this dev blog a Surya piloted by someone with Marauder V will do double the damage with hybrids. Presumably the same will be true for missiles and the Caldari HAVs. This is plenty enough to make them dangerous, but not retains their poor tracking speed, visibility, and maneuverability so they're still quite able to die. What I suspect we'll see before long is larger vehicles being supported by infantry, and people calling for HAVs to be nerfed again, because their squad of d-bags with ARs can't take on the group that is supported by an HAV.
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.11.27 14:22:00 - [9] - Quote Chankk Saotome wrote: Others, including myself, warned you. We tried to prepare you and even help where things would go eventually. You mocked and laughed at the few of us who wanted to properly balance things rather than let the horde have their way, even moreso than those same infantry men and women who cried and moaned. To all of you I can only repeat the words you spat in the faces of so many others... "Adapt or die." Its amazing that you didnt harp on about the broken AV so you could keep on using it against nerfed tanks
Sytonis Auran Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION 52	Posted - 2012.11.27 14:51:00 - [10] - Quote Chankk Saotome wrote: Others, including myself, warned you. We tried to prepare you and even help where things would go eventually. You mocked and laughed at the few of us who wanted to properly balance things rather than let the horde have their way, even moreso than those same infantry men and women who cried and moaned. To all of you I can only repeat the words you spat in the faces of so many others... "Adapt or die." Dropship have taken a hammering, with more HAV's now using rail turrets they can be 1-2 shot from halfway across the map.

Magpie Raven ZionTCD Legacy Rising 161	Posted - 2012.11.27 16:40:00 - [11] - Quote Just saying with regard to dropships. Right now before they were a little OP. But just remember that dropships are meant to be transport and probably harrassment vehicles for when we get the re4ally large maps. They will be invaluble. They will also become much less powerful when fighters and gunshps are added. They may even need thier own fighter escorts to reach the front line safely. Also when all thats out they may need to be buffed
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1170	Posted - 2012.11.27 17:07:00 - [12] - Quote It's hilarious that they left swarm knock in place so staying close to a target is a death wish. In any event dispersion is the only thing that CCP needs crucified for. You literally cannot hit a stationary tank at 50m or a stationary Lav at 30m with more than one missile per volley. Completely broken mechanic. They still have the insane Dps why you get lucky and hit though.
ugg reset ZionTCD Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2012.11.27 17:55:00 - [13] - Quote Chankk Saotome wrote: Others, including myself, warned you. We tried to prepare you and even help where things would go eventually. You mocked and laughed at the few of us who wanted to properly balance things rather than let the horde have their way, even moreso than those same infantry men and women who cried and moaned. To all of you I can only repeat the words you spat in the faces of so many others... "Adapt or die." With pleasure, that's the game. I hope my bumper finds you soonGäó.
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 969	Posted - 2012.11.27 20:12:00 - [14] - Quote General Stonewall wrote: Skihids wrote: I did not mock you. I knew it was coming. I was one of the first to call or proper use and reward for flying. Only now with turrets relegated to secondary weapons the dropship is toothless without coordinated squads large enough to fill it. There is no way to adapt to this absence. We just have to park them and wait for CCP to make flying viable again. now this is too funny you think that dropships haven't needed something done to them since this build came out ? if the answer is no then what game have you been playing for last month or so because every other match it has been at least up til lately mostly dropships in matches blasting everything and all things out the sky . i didn't think by them nerfing the missles they would hit the dropships hard but they have and that in itself means i am happy as can be something has been needed to be done to dropships for the longest time if anything go back to buffing and tweaking tanks id rather see those things than dropships . but im glad they did in fact nerf missles for the fact it balances out the tanks and dropships now . but that being said i think others will go onto using either itty bitty ol pea shooters on tanks now and railguns which to me suck in themselves but thats just me but the pea shooters(blasters) installations now those things pack a punch so ppl will adapt to it . but their is always next build they they will in fact have some type of LAV ,HAV or dropship OPed in some way shape or form its been the trend now for last 2 builds . You don't seem to have read any of my posts. Dropships have needed many things since day one. Top of the list was a viable way to earn a living transporting infantry rather than having to act as gunships. Dropships are meant to deliver a shock assault squad on top of an objective. The true dropship buff won't actually touch the ship at all because it's an increase in the size of an organized force in game. I don't need OP turrets when I can land six heavies with HMG's on your head all at once.
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 969	Posted - 2012.11.27 20:24:00 - [15] - Quote or six dancing Scouts with Shotguns for that matter. Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop.... All those shotguns in the bowl of one objective sounds just like popcorn in a microwave on high.
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 969	Posted - 2012.11.27 20:26:00 - [16] - Quote Pilots would be infantries best friend and worst nightmare all at the same time.
Super Cargo Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 428	Posted - 2012.11.27 20:39:00 - [17] - Quote LOL ITS IN BETA ADAPT OR DIE IT WILL BE PATCHED AFTER LAUNCH HATERS GONNA H8
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 969	Posted - 2012.11.27 20:42:00 - [18] - Quote Super Cargo wrote: LOL ITS IN BETA ADAPT OR DIE IT WILL BE PATCHED AFTER LAUNCH HATERS GONNA H8 Our job is to help mold the game into something great now, not wait until after launch.
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 428	Posted - 2012.11.27 20:52:00 - [19] - Quote I think that vehicles and infantry have to coexist Vehicles can do certain things well, but so can infantry You play a few games and the other team brings in a vehicle, its just QQ Then Vehicle pilots cry about Forge and Swarm Answer in the form of a question and answer: How do you kill an AV infantry?-Better vehicle or with infantry How do you kill infantry? Better infantry or with vehicles Its that simple. Words of the wise
ATR Kuan Ti Above The Rest 64	Posted - 2012.11.27 21:01:00 - [20] - Quote Chankk Saotome wrote: Others, including myself, warned you. We tried to prepare you and even help where things would go eventually. You mocked and laughed at the few of us who wanted to properly balance things rather than let the horde have their way, even moreso than those same infantry men and women who cried and moaned. To all of you I can only repeat the words you spat in the faces of so many others... "Adapt or die." wach out for this corp all thay do is try to steal HAV, LAVs and dropships then thay will ram your HAV or LAVs or ppl runing around in battle there the reson thay need to add VOTEing in dust



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