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HECATONCHIRES GYGES
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
151
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Posted - 2012.11.26 06:11:00 -
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I know how to make the Sniping situation fare and its rather simple......
Make the Sniper rifles a million Isk.Yes I said a million.Real snipers will pay this.The ones that are actually good.Like ZAN and Gem and the wanna bes wont and will get into the objectives instead of sitting in the mountains.Only a truly dedicated Sniper would pay this much.There is no risk with the current cost at all.The idea of a redline is to contain your players and keep them from pushing to sit right on top of there spawn.I understand this but the redline sniper situation is garbage.I went 16-1 with a militia sniper rifle today 9-0,12-1,13-0,24-0.....You want to know what I was wearing?MY dragonfly,MLT sniper rifle,BPO MLT nano......LOL thats bullshit.....utter absolute horse ****.Peelin Heavies,logis,Scouts,Other snipers,Assaults type 2,Proto Assault making 250k ISK a match.
This happens to me all the time(getting Sniped) I get sniped by some ***** while Im hacking A on ashland because no one else will. I put on my good fit to push the objective my whole team makes it up the hill we engage heavies dodge grenades pick each other up.Heavy forge blows up a Sica doing Overwatch on A.HMG goes down to a direct hit by a Grendae while battling an enemy HMG.Forge gets ran over by an LAV I AV "nade" the Lav.One of the Assaults jumps out (the gunner got blown up.)I take out the driver.Im the last man alive.I run to the HACK POINT and "ZAP" Hes(Sniper) up on the mountain side,behind the Redline.... While Im wearing my good gear.....hell maybe all those guys that ran with me knowing that we were Assaulting A from C.Put on there good fits....MY DUVAL COST MORE THAN HIS WHOLE FIT COMBINED.
Thought this game was about team work its hard enough to get randoms to work together.We made than run and battled hard.Just for the last man to get picked off by some *****.In real combat I would call in an Airstrike on that ******* mountainside.If it were impassable terrain.Whats more bullshit about it is we cant get to him.There is this very narrow path and you have to climb the mountain while underfire from the MMC snipers,and him and people coming out of the back spawn.THE REDLINES NEED TO BE FIXED SO THAT THE SNIPERS ARE IN BOUNDS AND YOU THE PLAYER ARE ABLE TO GET TO THEM.You do it on Ambush.WTH MAN.
Also Heavy weapons have there own Sharpshooter....the sniper rifle should not be considered a light weapon for this purpose.Make each Tier of Sniper rifle with a built in range 1-5 like sharp shooter and only protos can reach across the whole map.The Higher the Tier the farther range the increase in cost.Proto sniper rifles should be a million ISK,and there shouldnt be a militia bpo or like I said about range it should only be good for 50 meters max.
I get the "its a Railgun argument" and the projectile moves at the speed of light and there isnt going to be bullet drop in this game.So instead of screwing with all that.....there is my suggestion.with large missle turrets being completely broken now and your guys earlier nerf of railgun splash damage there is no real way to get at these people unless you pick up a sniper rifle to try and shoot them but they are already in a advantageous position and most the time you can get to them any other way OR what your telling me is I NEED TO BUY A DROP SHIP JUST FOR KILLING SNIPERS AND GET RANDOM TEAMATES TO GUN FOR ME TO TAKE THIS GUY OUT.(Not yelling just capitalizing my points is all.)So we get the guy and my drop ship gets forged,and my gunners die because they dont have mics and they dont bail out in time and I go -50 2x for both of them.....and he just respawns with his cheap ass **** and runs back up there again.
its really ******** and makes no sense at all...sorry for rambling but damn man.If the bigger issue is the back spawns.Then make the back spawn point where people can spawn in a building and dont have to worry about getting killed have the doors face backwards AWAY from the battlefield not forward.(so they cant shoot from it and no one can shoot in)and be done with it.You need to fix the redlines on Ashland.Or spikes or what ever the hell its called.
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Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
432
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Posted - 2012.11.26 06:22:00 -
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I understand where you're coming from, and it's actually not a completely bad idea, but just a couple questions and input
Consider how bad it would be to carry around a Million ISK gun, only to get forge gunned (forge guns are like the sniper problem now)
What about the people who already put forth into the arbiter class and skills, like me?
what if only scout suits could equip snipers, so that they die easier than spiders on fire?
Just a couple of things, but I think the most important thing here is that the best counter to a sniper, is a sniper. Get some snipers on your team. When I snipe first people I kill: the snipers. |
THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
33
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Posted - 2012.11.26 06:26:00 -
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I do fully agree about how the militia sniper is way too OP for being included in a free load out. I feel if someone wants to snipe bad enough they will pay for it |
Michael Sebi
Doomheim
14
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Posted - 2012.11.26 06:28:00 -
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1 million ISK! Are you serious?!! Woooow, are you raging over this because a sniper spawn traps you? |
HECATONCHIRES GYGES
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
151
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Posted - 2012.11.26 06:32:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:I understand where you're coming from, and it's actually not a completely bad idea, but just a couple questions and input
Consider how bad it would be to carry around a Million ISK gun, only to get forge gunned (forge guns are like the sniper problem now)
What about the people who already put forth into the arbiter class and skills, like me?
what if only scout suits could equip snipers, so that they die easier than spiders on fire?
Just a couple of things, but I think the most important thing here is that the best counter to a sniper, is a sniper. Get some snipers on your team. When I snipe first people I kill: the snipers.
The forge gun does not have a sight on it like the Sniper rifle does.You cannot L1 the forge.The Forge vibrates around.The forge has less shots and can only be carried by a heavy........also there must be some risk.At this point there is none on there part.None what so ever. |
HECATONCHIRES GYGES
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
151
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Posted - 2012.11.26 06:35:00 -
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Michael Sebi wrote:1 million ISK! Are you serious?!! Woooow, are you raging over this because a sniper spawn traps you?
You need to read the whole post about how I did and my scores....MY point is .........any one can do it.The real joke is that you think you have skills to do it...lol
Btw this is to CCP.Right your own thread. |
Dev Mason
D3ath D3alers
RISE of LEGION
17
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Posted - 2012.11.26 07:11:00 -
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Michael Sebi wrote:1 million ISK! Are you serious?!! Woooow, are you raging over this because a sniper spawn traps you?
im guessing you have something to lose by this? Probably your whole gaming strategy huh?
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
140
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Posted - 2012.11.26 13:35:00 -
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Ok now that I've read this entire thing and I must say you're contradicting yourself
you speak of disliking snipers that hide in the mountains but mention gem cutter as a good sniper someone who hides so far into them with nanohives even other snipers scratch their heads and go 'what the ****'
I agree with you that the cost for snipers should be increased however 1 million isk for the prototype is outrageous and would encourage every sniper that buys them to hide in the mountains or leach money from the corp making many snipers who want a corp without them due to their cost but this needs to be balanced as well perhaps increasing the damage gained by sniper pro as it is now 3% when it was 5% this along with the damage from weaponry being cut to 2% means that snipers are actually weaker then they were before.
I myself enjoy watching over my squad or running with them with my sniper,something while harder is fun and makes counter sniping easier.
as for getting sniped when you are trying to get to another sniper that's just either them covering for each other as squad mates should and it is good teamwork (something I find those who play this game lack sometimes for one reason or another maybe they come from a game where soloing it is better them working with a team)or perhaps just good placement on the sniper's you are trying to kills part.
their counters to any sniper in the game and many are actually quite easy one of them is as you mentioned a dropship the lav is good for taking out bad snipers as well (face a good sniper however and you will get your face blown out of the back of your skull)
the tactical ar is also very good at taking out snipers considering the maximum range of them same with the lr
and of course other snipers
as for snipers covering objectives.......are you really going to complain about that? for a sniper doing something to help their team come on now you're smarter then that.
the sharpshooter idea is nice as well but I disagree it should be a skill meaning only snipers that have trained the correct skilled can make 'longshots' and have earned the right to do so sp wise
I can find no fault with your back spawn idea and it's actually a very good idea perhaps a shield like bubble over the spawn area that you can not enter after leaving is also a method of making snipers and tanks stop redlining?
also the bullet drop is coming so don't fret about that ok
this post while having some good ideas is rather biased and I suggest making this again without so many insults
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Free Beers
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
1041
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Posted - 2012.11.26 16:22:00 -
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skill points and isk aren't not good deterents for things in eve or in dust. CCP just needs to add more skill to the game for snipers.
I have militia sniper alt and its free isk and kills especially camping an objective from redline.
3 things -
1 after shot sniper rifle shouldn't settle in exact same place
2 bullet drop
3 windage
if you have distance to target, wind speed, and direction given to you then its skill intensive to the player for a shot/hit/kill
also game play > physics or but its a rail gun blah blah blah |
DarkShadowFox
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
238
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Posted - 2012.11.26 18:38:00 -
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HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:Make the Sniper rifles a million Isk.Yes I said a million.Real snipers will pay this.
actually look up how much an m200 intervention cost, they dont pay millions, or even a .50 cal, they pay about $9,000
m200 is at $10,995.00 |
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SGT Garrisson
On The Brink
60
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Posted - 2012.11.26 20:01:00 -
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my biggest anoyance is on manus peaks where snipers from the norh base camp way up in the hills behind B and the only way to get rid of them is to sacrifice a suit as there well beyond the 15 sec timer u get when in the redzone
they have a full view of the entire map and theres very few ways to remove them
snipers are part of the game i get that but exploiting the redzone is a pain in the ass no wonder they can go 10-0 kills and higher
its impossible to get to them on foot/sneak
so this leaves 3 ways to deal with them
1:counter snip them in my case this doesnt work due to the crap thumbstick aim and acceleration
2: dropship which i cant fly
which just leaves me with
3: the kamikazie LAV deep into the redzone leaving me with not enuff time to get back to the field |
HECATONCHIRES GYGES
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
151
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Posted - 2012.11.26 21:11:00 -
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To Sinbato Simmons.I have never been shot by you .Thats my first point
2 point) all the kills I got was with a militia BPO that cost 3 Aur
3) used a BPO Dropsuit
4) I only did this to prove a point.That a person(player)doesnt need to spend any money AUR/ISK To achieve that kdr.
5) This thread is to prove a point that you do not comprehend and in no way did I ask for your opinion or input on the matter.It is directed at the development team and the creators of the game.ie CCP.
6)Why not continue to do this if I do it so well?Because its cheap.Lacks skill.Lacks "sportmanlike" conduct.Especially redline sniping.
7)In a REAL war there would be no imaginary line that says I couldnt climb up there where you are at.
8) I dont consider you a real sniper .YOU are not Sleepy Zan or Gem cutter.Those two individuals opinions would be the only ones that would matter.
9)Oh and as to the blowing my face out the back of my skull BS your talking about.Find me in a match.Snipe me and see if I dont sneak up behind you and Rifle Butt your skull into the Dust before you even know whats happening.That is if you have the balls to stay INBOUNDS.Ask Gem if when he snipes me that I dont actively seek him out.Which btw takes me away from the fight to seek out 1 man.I would consider him a better sniper than you any day.
10) The tactical does how much damage?The MLT sniper rifle does how much?Yeah...I dont understand what your getting at there.
11)You agree the getting in a drop ship is a viable way to kill a sniper in the Redline.Do you know how much Dropships cost? I just finished saying that a person having to spend more money than the sniper has, just so you can kill him.Is more money than he had to spend isnt it?
I dont even know why I am replying to your biased,uninformed,ridiculous position on the matter.You obviously have never achieved PROTO suit with the cost of all the modules to even know what your talking about. |
TEXA5 HiTM4N
ROGUE SPADES
49
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Posted - 2012.11.27 00:34:00 -
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I think all snipers that have some sort of skill would not mind there being a bullet drop and travel time on each shot. as long as I can still run a sniper on my logi I will be happy. ground sniping is best sniping. |
Khal V'Rani
Nephilim Initiative
90
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Posted - 2012.11.27 06:44:00 -
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HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:To Sinbato Simmons.I have never been shot by you .Thats my first point
5) This thread is to prove a point that you do not comprehend and in no way did I ask for your opinion or input on the matter.It is directed at the development team and the creators of the game.ie CCP.
I dont even know why I am replying to your biased,uninformed,ridiculous position on the matter.You obviously have never achieved PROTO suit with the cost of all the modules to even know what your talking about.
So you post an obvious rant on the forums and Sinbato replies with quite a bit of tact and feedback and you go after him(?) for it?
If you don't want a reply from the test community then, now read carefully, DON'T POST HERE. Kitten. |
ReGnUM DeCiMaTiON DEI
82
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Posted - 2012.11.27 07:30:00 -
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hehe Snipers useful |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.11.27 08:46:00 -
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HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:This happens to me all the time(getting Sniped) I get sniped by some ***** while Im hacking A on ashland because no one else will. I put on my good fit to push the objective my whole team makes it up the hill we engage heavies dodge grenades pick each other up.Heavy forge blows up a Sica doing Overwatch on A.HMG goes down to a direct hit by a Grendae while battling an enemy HMG.Forge gets ran over by an LAV I AV "nade" the Lav.One of the Assaults jumps out (the gunner got blown up.)I take out the driver.Im the last man alive.I run to the HACK POINT and "ZAP" Hes(Sniper) up on the mountain side,behind the Redline.... While Im wearing my good gear.....hell maybe all those guys that ran with me knowing that we were Assaulting A from C.Put on there good fits....MY DUVAL COST MORE THAN HIS WHOLE FIT COMBINED.
Thought this game was about team work
You just described a scenario where both your team and the enemy worked as a team. Both sides got worn down to a single person, but the enemy had a better-positioned sole survivor, and you're claiming teamwork DIDN'T have a part in things? Sorry, but if the enemy team hadn't been working together, you'd have steamrolled them, everyone would survive, and when the sniper revealed he was still alive, you'd have someone left who could take him out. Teamwork still makes a difference, and the enemy team beat your team. It wasn't JUST the sniper taking out everyone on his own.
Quote:In real combat I would call in an Airstrike on that ******* mountainside.
And you didn't bother with the Orbital Strike because...?
In DUST, you have options. Not CCP's fault you weren't using the available tools effectively.
HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:5) This thread is to prove a point that you do not comprehend and in no way did I ask for your opinion or input on the matter.It is directed at the development team and the creators of the game.ie CCP.
You posted on the beta testers' forums, rather than sending an email to the devs, and are now expecting other posters in said forums NOT to respond because you didn't intend for them to be involved in a discussion that's been openly posted in an area they have just as much right as you to comment in? Good luck with that. |
Timothy Reaper
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
321
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Posted - 2012.11.27 09:59:00 -
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HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:...sorry for rambling but...
If you were sorry for rambling you wouldn't have spent the time to type all of this in the first place. You need to realize that, while you bring up some good points, the ridiculous amounts of RAGE in your original post and your responses makes it difficult for most people to take you seriously. |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
140
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Posted - 2012.11.27 13:54:00 -
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Khal V'Rani wrote:HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:To Sinbato Simmons.I have never been shot by you .Thats my first point
5) This thread is to prove a point that you do not comprehend and in no way did I ask for your opinion or input on the matter.It is directed at the development team and the creators of the game.ie CCP.
I dont even know why I am replying to your biased,uninformed,ridiculous position on the matter.You obviously have never achieved PROTO suit with the cost of all the modules to even know what your talking about. So you post an obvious rant on the forums and Sinbato replies with quite a bit of tact and feedback and you go after him(?) for it? If you don't want a reply from the test community then, now read carefully, DON'T POST HERE. Kitten.
Sinboto is the name :)
yeah I'm a man
and thank you. |
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers
117
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Posted - 2012.11.27 14:35:00 -
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bottom line is there currently is an imbalance in the overall weapon structure. They nerf tanks. fine. But at the same time, now there is only 1 option to take out snipers for the most part, and thats other snipers. we all know there are some spots on these maps that are unreachable by the opposition, and are virtually impossible to even hit the person in that spot. the range of forges greatly outmatches that of tanks, causing an imbalance.
In all honesty I think the entire 'redline' needs to be looked at. Perhaps making the outer 'walls' of the maps out of play altogether, or making them more accessible.
Its just a matter of tweaking what's already in place. snipers are an important part of this game, as well as a team being successful on a large map, but the reason you are seeing so many snipers at present is because of the fact that its easy ISK and good for K/D |
Khal V'Rani
Nephilim Initiative
90
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Posted - 2012.11.28 01:02:00 -
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@Sinboto
My apologies for the typo,
noted
and your welcome. |
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BestNameEva
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
86
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Posted - 2012.11.28 01:41:00 -
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its called counter sniping.
only problem I see with snipers is when half the team does it, how bout a sniper cap like vehicles. |
Vallud Eadesso
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
63
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Posted - 2012.11.28 02:31:00 -
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I have to say, a million ISK ain't a lot of ISK at all. Especially when we get connected to EVE... I mean one of the first things i'll probably do is send over about a billion ISK and 50,000 Arum.
From that point a million ISK is some insignificant drop in the water. The problem with snipers is the risk\reward, not their balance. There is no reason for a Sniper to actually get out and fight, and as i've said before, i'd like to push for a total redesign of the class, making it fill more of an "in squad" marksman role, rather than a dead weight up in the mountains.
But that's a rant for another day. Long and short: Increasing the cost of the weapons is only a short term solution. Once inflation kicks in and corps can fund Dust Bunnies, ISK becomes moot, much like in Alliance Warfare in EVE. |
Timothy Reaper
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
321
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Posted - 2012.11.28 06:30:00 -
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Vallud Eadesso wrote:There is no reason for a Sniper to actually get out and fight, and as i've said before, i'd like to push for a total redesign of the class, making it fill more of an "in squad" marksman role, rather than a dead weight up in the mountains.
I do this all the time. The snipers just trying to farm kills in the hillsides are easy targets, because they hardly move. Lots of points for me!  |
HECATONCHIRES GYGES
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
151
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Posted - 2012.11.28 22:00:00 -
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For any and all of you ***** made fools that cant read my original post was that this is TOO EZ to do and the cost and reward factor needs to be looked at,especially if the sniper is firing from out of bounds which a real war wouldnt be boundaries.You ******* tool.For the rest of you fucks. I can anti snipe..............ITS ******* BORING.That means there is 2 people in the game doing absolutely nothing.
You dont think that its bullshit that every other weapon class has its own sharpshooter except sniper rifles?Its not even about that.....its about the inability to flank the sniper.....because hes behind an imaginary line that would not exists in real warfare.So that person is using that to there advantage.
As for the OS there randoms good luck with them working together most of them are newbs.
The sniper was picking people off in the scenario I described or causing damage.
Oh and for you asshat troll scrub snipers that want to talk in this thread.Ill be sure to look for your ass,merc the **** out of you and record it for when the NDA gets lifted and run it on my Youtube channel. |
HECATONCHIRES GYGES
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
151
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Posted - 2012.11.28 23:50:00 -
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Khal V'Rani wrote:HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:To Sinbato Simmons.I have never been shot by you .Thats my first point
5) This thread is to prove a point that you do not comprehend and in no way did I ask for your opinion or input on the matter.It is directed at the development team and the creators of the game.ie CCP.
I dont even know why I am replying to your biased,uninformed,ridiculous position on the matter.You obviously have never achieved PROTO suit with the cost of all the modules to even know what your talking about. So you post an obvious rant on the forums and Sinbato replies with quite a bit of tact and feedback and you go after him(?) for it? If you don't want a reply from the test community then, now read carefully, DON'T POST HERE. Kitten. FEEDBACK TO CCP THEY OWN THE FORUMS YOU ****
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Mark Nutt
Doomheim
0
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Posted - 2012.11.29 01:58:00 -
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HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:
8) I dont consider you a real sniper .YOU are not Sleepy Zan or Gem cutter.Those two individuals opinions would be the only ones that would matter.
You do realize that there are other skilled snipers besides Sleepy Zan and Gem Cutter? (although i certainly am not) Also i think it would be wise to tone down your level of "passion" on the subject of making sniping more balanced. |
Belzeebub Santana
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
409
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Posted - 2012.11.29 02:18:00 -
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HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:Khal V'Rani wrote:HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:To Sinbato Simmons.I have never been shot by you .Thats my first point
5) This thread is to prove a point that you do not comprehend and in no way did I ask for your opinion or input on the matter.It is directed at the development team and the creators of the game.ie CCP.
I dont even know why I am replying to your biased,uninformed,ridiculous position on the matter.You obviously have never achieved PROTO suit with the cost of all the modules to even know what your talking about. So you post an obvious rant on the forums and Sinbato replies with quite a bit of tact and feedback and you go after him(?) for it? If you don't want a reply from the test community then, now read carefully, DON'T POST HERE. Kitten. FEEDBACK TO CCP THEY OWN THE FORUMS YOU ****
Are you yelling now??? |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.11.29 03:18:00 -
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HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:FEEDBACK TO CCP THEY OWN THE FORUMS YOU ****
They also own a well-adveritsed email address for people to contact them on if you want to say something direct to them instead of opening it up for discussion.
Your point? |
Khal V'Rani
Nephilim Initiative
90
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Posted - 2012.11.29 03:58:00 -
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After re-reading the forum rules and conduct I am censoring myself
in the interest of not being banned.
Something the OP should consider.
First, to those who liked my original post, thanks. I wouldn't feel bad if you
unliked this one. But I want to keep posting on the forums.
To the OP:
I heard something once that rang true to me, I don't know where or who it's from:
"A good measure of a man is how well he treats those he does not need to treat well."
What's that say about you?
Your general lack of and disregard for others opinions and constructive criticism is disgusting.
It must be real easy to act like a badass behind a keyboard otherwise you wouldn't be doing it.
Good luck on your path in life kid. |
HECATONCHIRES GYGES
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
151
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Posted - 2012.11.30 01:22:00 -
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Khal V'Rani wrote:After re-reading the forum rules and conduct I am censoring myself
in the interest of not being banned.
Something the OP should consider.
First, to those who liked my original post, thanks. I wouldn't feel bad if you
unliked this one. But I want to keep posting on the forums.
To the OP:
I heard something once that rang true to me, I don't know where or who it's from:
"A good measure of a man is how well he treats those he does not need to treat well."
What's that say about you?
Your general lack of and disregard for others opinions and constructive criticism is disgusting.
It must be real easy to act like a badass behind a keyboard otherwise you wouldn't be doing it.
Good luck on your path in life kid. 1 hr of the time im on line is spent in these forums the other time is spent behind my PS3 controller.That does my "talking" quite well.Why dont you come out of the mountains and see for yourself.
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