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angelarch wrote:

Mobius Wyvern wrote:

. . . Besides, think of all the lag that would create on both ends.

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Dust players will ALREADY be on the same tranq server and fighting wherever they happen to be when it's live.
What additional lag are you imagining?

Dusties hired and involved in taking over stations in EVE would be pretty much the most awesome idea ever to come to the eve universe in years.

Another poster doesn't like boarding ships because of the "fast paced" nature of eve, then describing how any size ship even captials can vaporize in an instant-- if your ship is going to die that fast then what the heck would you care if there were dusties in it or not? The anti- arguments don't make any sense except for one: True that there is a polarized and stubborn community of capsuleers in EVE that don't want anything to change ever, and demand stagnant spaceship ONLY gameplay "or else!".

For that reason I'm sure CCP will only have dusties infiltrate npc ships or stations for sovereignty at most, which should satisfy all sides.

There ARE eve players that welcome the idea of mercs invading ships. Just you might not be one of them.

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michael McG Doomheim 28	Posted - 2012.11.24 22:44:00 - [1] - Quote will we be seeing mercs boarding ships in the future. Kinda like starwars battlefront 2.
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2046	Posted - 2012.11.24 23:01:00 - [2] - Quote This has been confirmed, so far we will only be able to enter capital ships through boarding ships that are launched from the Warbarge. From there we will attempt to fight through bots until the ship's pilot can hire other players to spawn in and defend the big red self destruct button.
Fivetimes Infinity Immobile Infantry 1086	Posted - 2012.11.24 23:09:00 - [3] - Quote When was that confirmed? I've never heard about anything like that before.
Richard Blackburn Blackburn Odyssey 55	Posted - 2012.11.24 23:20:00 - [4] - Quote I loved Battlefront 2
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2012.11.25 00:09:00 - [5] - Quote Fivetimes Infinity wrote: When was that confirmed? I've never heard about anything like that before. One of the Q&A videos, just saw it in a thread today.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.11.25 00:46:00 - [6] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Fivetimes Infinity wrote: When was that confirmed? I've never heard about anything like that before. One of the Q&A videos, just saw it in a thread today. Wait, really? Can someone link that? I think that's one of the most terrible ideas I've ever heard.
Mazu Ten Algintal Core Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2012.11.25 01:20:00 - [7] - Quote Seconded on the "I want that link" part, disagreeing on the "terrible idea" bit. That sounds fantastic.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2012.11.25 01:51:00 - [8] - Quote Mazu Ten wrote: Seconded on the "I want that link" part, disagreeing on the "terrible idea" bit. That sounds fantastic. Found it. Took a while of sitting through the latter part of the video again (the original forum link didn't include the time). http://youtu.be/pNmCRti9dFM?t=44m
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.11.25 02:22:00 - [9] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Mazu Ten wrote: Seconded on the "I want that link" part, disagreeing on the "terrible idea" bit. That sounds fantastic. Found it. Took a while of sitting through the latter part of the video again (the original forum link didn't include the time). http://youtu.be/pNmCRti9dFM?t=44m Oh, that. I've seen that, and that doesn't exactly sound like confirmation of a set-in-stone feature. Like they said, that would require a lot of us getting on board with it, and I think that's an absolutely terrible idea that'll have most people who play EVE up in arms within minutes of it's announcement as a feature. A lot of EVE players are only happy with Dust because they can ignore it completely if they want. Something like this would force the kind of people who instantly checked the "ignore Infantry" button in their chat settings to have to work with Dust players just to avoid having their ship taken over, and there's no way that will end well. Besides, think of all the lag that would create on both ends. It's just too much work on something that would only cause bad feelings, and could be better spent on, say, adding moons to the planets as places to fight. I'd see that as far more logical and fun than a somewhat silly pipe-dream of taking ships from EVE players.
Enkidu Camuel Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 69	Posted - 2012.11.25 02:38:00 - [10] - Quote I think CCP has a plan for this... I just hope it would be a good one, but I do agree that this would be awesome but there as many issues as Mobius just said, we have to wait what this game has for us in the future. ps. Only boarding Capitol Ships? darn, what about medium sized ships, destroyers or even carriers, that would be great if they put this in the game.

Magpie Raven ZionTCD Legacy Rising 161	Posted - 2012.11.25 03:42:00 - [11] - Quote I know it may seem a bit lame but here is a compromise. As a dust bunny i love the idea of boarding ships! But im aware of the fact that Eve players may not appreciate people running around in the guts of their ship. What if we could only board NPC ships? Or maybe only in FW? Also another cool idea which has been brought up multiple times is boarding stations. I dont know if eve players would be against that idea as well but there it is. Personally i think it would be silly to deny us access to fight in space. Even if its limited in some way.
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 248	Posted - 2012.11.25 04:28:00 - [12] - Quote This is now the 900th thread on boarding ships. My points in short: Boarding ships: no. Sounds nice but try playing eve and realize how fast paced it is, there is no time to set battle and fight it as it's so easy to change ships, dock up, self destruct (!) etc. In pvp even the caps can go down boom. Imagine: you want to start an attack. In order to have a fight, there would have to be a def contract done and someone to accept it. Without opposition that is not a dust fight, it's something else. Or no fight at all. Conquering stations: YES. As currently the mechanic of taking over stations is the silliest possible, the person how happens to give the killing blow claims the station for his corp... Stations change hands rarely enough to keep dust fight interesting, and the timer mechanic supports merc teams forming up on each other well.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.11.25 04:53:00 - [13] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: This is now the 900th thread on boarding ships. My points in short: Boarding ships: no. Sounds nice but try playing eve and realize how fast paced it is, there is no time to set battle and fight it as it's so easy to change ships, dock up, self destruct (!) etc. In pvp even the caps can go down boom. Imagine: you want to start an attack. In order to have a fight, there would have to be a def contract done and someone to accept it. Without opposition that is not a dust fight, it's something else. Or no fight at all. Conquering stations: YES. As currently the mechanic of taking over stations is the silliest possible, the person how happens to give the killing blow claims the station for his corp... Stations change hands rarely enough to keep dust fight interesting, and the timer mechanic supports merc teams forming up on each other well. EVE? Fast paced? Have you been playing the same game I have for 4 years? I mean, I love EVE, but the words "fast paced" are not ones I would use to describe it. And I'm a dedicated PvPer.
angelarch Algintal Core Gallente Federation 93	Posted - 2012.11.25 07:25:00 - [14] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: . . . Besides, think of all the lag that would create on both ends. . . . Dust players will ALREADY be on the same tranq server and fighting wherever they happen to be when it's live. What additional lag are you imagining? Dusties hired and involved in taking over stations in EVE would be pretty much the most awesome idea ever to come to the eve universe in years. Another poster doesn't like boarding ships because of the "fast paced" nature of eve, then describing how any size ship even captials can vaporize in an instant-- if your ship is going to die that fast then what the heck would you care if there were dusties in it or not? The anti- arguments don't make any sense except for one: True that there is a polarized and stubborn community of capsuleers in EVE that don't want anything to change ever, and demand stagnant spaceship ONLY gameplay "or else!". For that reason I'm sure CCP will only have dusties infiltrate npc ships or stations for sovereignty at most, which should satisfy all sides. There ARE eve players that welcome the idea of mercs invading ships. Just you might not be one of them.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.11.25 07:36:00 - [15] - Quote angelarch wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: . . . Besides, think of all the lag that would create on both ends. . . . Dust players will ALREADY be on the same tranq server and fighting wherever they happen to be when it's live. What additional lag are you imagining? Dusties hired and involved in taking over stations in EVE would be pretty much the most awesome idea ever to come to the eve universe in years. Another poster doesn't like boarding ships because of the "fast paced" nature of eve, then describing how any size ship even captials can vaporize in an instant-- if your ship is going to die that fast then what the heck would you care if there were dusties in it or not? The anti- arguments don't make any sense except for one: True that there is a polarized and stubborn community of capsuleers in EVE that don't want anything to change ever, and demand stagnant spaceship ONLY gameplay "or else!". For that reason I'm sure CCP will only have dusties infiltrate npc ships or stations for sovereignty at most, which should satisfy all sides. There ARE eve players that welcome the idea of mercs invading ships. Just you might not be one of them. Consider that this would require every EVE player to carry a supply of Dust clones in their hold at all times to defend against something that might never happen, and that they might be unable to defend against if it does, even with those mandatory clones. It's just a bad game mechanic. And Dust isn't played on Singularity, and it won't be played on Tranquility either. Dust battles are handled on the Battle Servers in the US, EU, and Asia. There will likely be more of those later on, but they actually handle the battles. A feature such as this would require the battle servers to constantly communicate with the main server in regard to the ship in combat, in addition to all of the normal traffic of it's movements, module activations, and damage states. That's a lot of data.
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2046	Posted - 2012.11.25 07:49:00 - [16] - Quote dance EVE monkeys DANCE!
Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 414	Posted - 2012.11.25 10:45:00 - [17] - Quote some pve missions boarding npc capitals, boarding stations and other in space infrastructure would be good. A battleship can be killed in a single volley in a fleet fight, small ship battles can start and end faster then battles load. EvE in general is not fast paced, but parts are to fast to start a second game inside of. Capturing a capital instead of killing it, if it's tackled and in structure could work. The eve player would have lost the ship anyway at that point, so the dust battle just decides if the ship is destroyed or taken intact. Presence of mercs would have to disable the self destruct button on the eve players ship though.
Crm234 Wraith Shadow Guards 166	Posted - 2012.11.25 16:27:00 - [18] - Quote I just find it kinda funny and ironic that for months ive heard from Eve players "Adapt or Die", "Eve is brutal and that's why we love it","CCP is doing something revolutionary by having a FPS effect a MMO and vice versa". Even though I think it would be a bad idea because what has been mentioned about lowering subscriptions on Eve. Its still funny to see the hypocrisy when it comes to a Eve players Spaceship.
Octavian Vetiver Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance 152	Posted - 2012.11.25 16:54:00 - [19] - Quote It would be interesting to implement ship boarding. At least for capitals it would be mostly viable. But, anyone in a cap ship that's going to get destroyed or even gets boarded is going to SD. It happens a lot actually just to keep the attackers from getting a killmail. Of course capturing it would be fine and dandy. But the thing is they pop out a bunch of them every week. The amount of Titans alone is still a ridiculous amount when originally they were meant to be a wallet breaker. CCP was looking more along the lines of them being a few here and there. Battleships and below, or even orcas and freighters. Not as viable since they tend to melt in less then a minute with the amount of firepower laid on them.
Beld Errmon Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 479	Posted - 2012.11.25 17:02:00 - [20] - Quote Whats hypocritical about pointing out something is completely unrealistic? Even if it was possible you try and force that idea on someone "Hi you've just lost a $2000 dollar ship in a fight you couldn't take part in once the boarding ships latched on to you, have a nice day" because in order to have a battle take place on said ship you'd have to take away the self destruct mechanic or extend its timer beyond 2 mins, alliances would have to shoot at their own capitals to keep them from falling into enemy hands. The more i think of it though, the more attractive it sounds, but its never gunna happen.



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