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Posted - 2012.11.22 12:12:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:If you lose control of ALL points, you have 60 seconds to flip one or your MCC retreats.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=45236
Maybe something like...
60 seconds after last MCC is captured by enemy, "MCC preparing to withdraw".
120 second countdown begins.
If your team even starts to hack an objective then the withdraw is cancelled.
After the 120 second countdown ends the MCC withdraws and the match is lost.
This means if a team is totally curbstomped and can't even make it to any of the objectives alive then the game will end 3 minutes after the last Null cannon is taken. |
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Posted - 2012.11.22 12:30:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Quite ok in games with MCC's on both sides.
How about when there's only one, or none?
Ambush is fine as it is. You want to win faster, you kill faster.
For any match type that has objectives to be captured but is not based on Null cannons shooting MCCs the same mechanic could apply with just a change to the back-story / text displayed.
Once all objectives are capped by one team a countdown starts and the team need to start a counter hack before the countdown ends to avoid a loss. |
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Posted - 2012.11.23 08:16:00 -
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The problems you are describing happen anyway with the current system. Noc's suggestion will reduce the amount of time that matches are redlined by one team or the other; this will mean it is less likely that players will spawn into those games.
Current system...
00:00 Match starts
03:00 Team A caps all objectives
10:00 Team B's MCC destroyed
For 70% of the time players spawning into team B will be redlined.
Proposed system...
00:00 Match starts
03:00 Team A caps all objectives
06:00 Team B wins
Now only 50% of the match has players spawning into a redlined team.
Overall we will all be less likely to spawn into a redlined team. |
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Posted - 2012.11.23 10:00:00 -
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Mister Hunt wrote:What everyone is failing to see, both in this post and in Noc's is that then you would have people just game the system by not capping the last point. It WILL happen. Every game out there that provides SP or XP type gains will have people attempt to make the match, especially against weaker opponents, last longer in order to maximize their gains. Having a "mercy rule" will not work if you have people willing to game the system to continue the slaughter.
Yep, I'm sure that will happen. However, it won't happen all the time, and even when it does it is no worse than the current situation.
Besides, if people really cared about that then they'd already be avoiding redlining. Once you've capped more than 50% of the objectives and are in control of the match, any additional objectives capped will just shorten the match. I don't see too much of that going on though. |
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Posted - 2012.11.23 10:03:00 -
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Discussion should continue in Noc's own thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=45442&find=unread |
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Posted - 2012.11.24 19:57:00 -
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Altessan Vigarde wrote:The bigger problem I see here besides "gaming" the system, is that upon full release of the game you will have to buy an MCC in order to battle, and MCC's will range in the multiple millions of ISK, so it may be more advantageous for a team that is losing to let the opponent mercy them and let their MCC retreat than lose it.
At that point you won't be playing a set "skirmish" map at all and nothing from this thread will be relevant.
If you are attacking a planet as part of a nullsec sov grap and have brought in your own MCC, you'll be controlling it. The null cannon's won't be pre-placed, the team commanders will deploy them. If one of the teams is losing and doesn't think it can recover then they'll send out dropships to pick up all their troops and fly the MCC out themselves, with the other team desperately trying to kill it before it gets away.
The retreating MCC thing is intended for hisec or faction war battles where there is significant NPC involvement (NPCs control the MCC and the placement of the null cannons). |
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