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Fleen Costell'o
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
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Posted - 2012.11.21 18:05:00 -
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![Evil](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_evil.png) Why fix it? We as a result have received a piece of a flying metal, it would be better understood with with sniper rifles damage to why not pass. Where the tureley characteristicssuch as the range ? Where is promised corporate hangar? where's it? I am afraid that we will get to the release, "the call of duty" and not DUST 514. I implore you to tell me developers that this is a temporary solution. While this does not fix, I will not buy more AUR, can think of this as an ultimatum. If conducted a surveyat first in form voting on a site else so could be change the balance.
Invite all who agrees with me to do the same. Maybe then we will be heard.
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Tzaar Bomba
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.11.21 18:08:00 -
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Missles were definitely the most O.P thing in this game. Now you'll have to actually have to do some work. Dont worry though since you will no longer be carried your skill level will shoot up, just give it time. |
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BMSTUBBYx
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.11.21 18:11:00 -
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So do what you are supposed to do, go pick up the guys that win the game for you and drop them off at the objectives. Derpa Derpa! |
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Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.11.21 18:13:00 -
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LOL OP, even if this is a "temporary fix" sounds like your just crying for your OP missiles back. |
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Fleen Costell'o
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
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Posted - 2012.11.21 18:21:00 -
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Tzaar Bomba wrote:Missles were definitely the most O.P thing in this game. Now you'll have to actually have to do some work. Dont worry though since you will no longer be carried your skill level will shoot up, just give it time. Rockets have always been and be weapons of mass destruction the soldiers! Now the grenade explodes stronger than missiles!! It is normal for you think? |
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Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.11.21 18:27:00 -
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Tzaar Bomba wrote:Missles were definitely the most O.P thing in this game. Now you'll have to actually have to do some work. Dont worry though since you will no longer be carried your skill level will shoot up, just give it time.
Here's where CCP ****** up again. They made them require more accuracy by reducing splash effectiveness, and the proceeded to make it impossible to shoot where you aim with very high dispersion. It's a joke. They are still OHK, but now you have to roll a d20 to see if you hit first. |
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Fleen Costell'o
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
10
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Posted - 2012.11.21 18:29:00 -
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BMSTUBBYx wrote:So do what you are supposed to do, go pick up the guys that win the game for you and drop them off at the objectives. Derpa Derpa! it seems that only the Russian versed in weapons and go into the army. You areseen the prototype turret price? I use these for ships and in the end they are not effective. |
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Tzaar Bomba
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.11.21 18:31:00 -
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Exactly how they should be when you factor in Rate of fire damage and radius. Blaster has speed cornered and railgun has direct damage cornered. Missles are the all purpose turrets. |
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Fleen Costell'o
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
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Posted - 2012.11.21 18:33:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:LOL OP, even if this is a "temporary fix" sounds like your just crying for your OP missiles back. To me do not care how it sounds, I want balance! I understand that goes testing but one should to have a conscience. What a mockery of the players.![Evil](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_evil.png) |
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Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2046
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Posted - 2012.11.21 18:36:00 -
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Fleen Costell'o wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:LOL OP, even if this is a "temporary fix" sounds like your just crying for your OP missiles back. To me do not care how it sounds, I want balance! Then suggest a better fix instead simply crying. |
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Phantomnom
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.11.21 18:36:00 -
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He's giving you an ultimatum CCP, you better damn do as he says. |
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Re-FLeX
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Posted - 2012.11.21 18:39:00 -
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Title needs more exclamation marks tbqh... |
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Sleepy Zan
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Posted - 2012.11.21 18:40:00 -
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Re-FLeX wrote:Title needs more exclamation marks tbqh... not really, just more CAPS |
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Re-FLeX
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Posted - 2012.11.21 18:43:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Re-FLeX wrote:Title needs more exclamation marks tbqh... not really, just more CAPS ! > CAPSLOCK |
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KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.11.21 18:45:00 -
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Step 1: Bring the small missiles on par with small blasters and small railguns: DONE
Step 2: Buff all small turrets at the same time to find a suitable balance between vehicles and infantry: PENDING |
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Sleepy Zan
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Posted - 2012.11.21 18:51:00 -
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Re-FLeX wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:Re-FLeX wrote:Title needs more exclamation marks tbqh... not really, just more CAPS ! > CAPSLOCK WRONG STATEMENTS ARE ALWAYS MORE IMPORTANT IN ALL CAPS |
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Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.11.21 18:53:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Step 1: Bring the small missiles on par with small blasters and small railguns: DONE
Step 2: Nerf all turrets at the same time to find a suitable balance between vehicles and infantry: PENDING
Fixed it for you. |
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Sleepy Zan
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Posted - 2012.11.21 18:54:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Step 1: Bring the small missiles on par with small blasters and small railguns: DONE
Step 2: Nerf all turrets at the same time to find a suitable balance between vehicles and infantry: PENDING Fixed it for you. well it is a different case for the small blaster and small railgun turrets |
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EriktheHeartless
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.11.21 20:33:00 -
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he has not skilled into ALL CAPS skillbook yet or the over use of punctuation skillbook.but he seems to be maxxed out on the spelling error skillbook and nonsense is at least a level 3 i'd say. |
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Sleepy Zan
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Posted - 2012.11.21 20:35:00 -
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EriktheHeartless wrote:he has not skilled into ALL CAPS skillbook yet or the over use of punctuation skillbook.but he seems to be maxxed out on the spelling error skillbook and nonsense is at least a level 3 i'd say. Well its a start, but he shouldn't QQ this hard prematurely. Skill up OP then return |
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Laurent Cazaderon
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.21 21:04:00 -
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1) Dropship =/= gunship 2) missile direct hit > grenade. grenades are made to rely on splashso splash being superior to small missile splash doesntcstrike me as odd 3) this is a videogame.. balance > reality... 4) OP = bad 5) ultimatum ? For a VG ? Grow up.... |
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Victor 'LifeLine' Ramous
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2012.11.21 21:07:00 -
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To OP...
Its a dropship, not supposed to be a particular strong weapon of war. Keep in mind that there are actual flying assault vehicles coming out in the future. Plus upgraded properly im sure they are still a factor, just not OP like they were. |
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Phantom Cheshire
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.21 21:22:00 -
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Infantry > AV > Vehicles > Infantry Vehicles are supposed to mop people who aren't specialized to deal with them. Ccp just wants to appease all the AUR infantry users who were losing their assault suits to dropships. When your militia grenades are 10x more effective than my proto missles + damage mods then it isn't fixed. This is more than likely a business move for ccp. Keeps assaults pumping AUR for rifles. I don't play eve and I know that the person who doesn't spec themselves correctly will lose. There should be hard-counters in dust. They just removed infantry's hard-counter. |
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Phantom Cheshire
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.21 21:24:00 -
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Victor 'LifeLine' Ramous wrote:To OP...
Its a dropship, not supposed to be a particular strong weapon of war. Keep in mind that there are actual flying assault vehicles coming out in the future. Plus upgraded properly im sure they are still a factor, just not OP like they were.
If it is a dropship then it should be able to take more than 2 forge strikes. I can't insert or extract because I fly glorified paper planes. Any pilot will tell you the same thing. You slow down and you WILL die. |
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2012.11.21 22:07:00 -
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Very bad fix? Definitely not.
Over-nerf of something that was legitimately quite obviously OP? Definitely so.
I want missile splash radius back. Other than that, I'm mostly happy.
A SMALL return of the splash damage might be nice as well, but less of a priority, imo. |
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Free Beers
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Posted - 2012.11.21 22:23:00 -
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Phantom Cheshire wrote:Victor 'LifeLine' Ramous wrote:To OP...
Its a dropship, not supposed to be a particular strong weapon of war. Keep in mind that there are actual flying assault vehicles coming out in the future. Plus upgraded properly im sure they are still a factor, just not OP like they were. If it is a dropship then it should be able to take more than 2 forge strikes. I can't insert or extract because I fly glorified paper planes. Any pilot will tell you the same thing. You slow down and you WILL die.
More QQ. This is rich coming from a corp that just spams vehicles. Can't camp and spam winmissiles anymore? Boofkingwhoo scrub |
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Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2012.11.21 22:46:00 -
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Fleen Costell'o wrote:BMSTUBBYx wrote:So do what you are supposed to do, go pick up the guys that win the game for you and drop them off at the objectives. Derpa Derpa! it seems that only the Russian versed in weapons and go into the army. You areseen the prototype turret price? I use these for ships and in the end they are not effective. Don't go complaining about how ineffective prototype turrets are until you use the prototype blasters that I'm using. |
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Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.21 22:49:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:
More QQ. This is rich coming from a corp that just spams vehicles. Can't camp and spam winmissiles anymore? Boofkingwhoo scrub
It goes both ways now, doesn't it?
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=45290&find=unread
I'd rather not flame though. |
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Goat of Dover
Shadow Company HQ
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Posted - 2012.11.21 23:26:00 -
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I don't get it. I fly drop ships all the time and it is equipped with missiles and I will tell you that it was beyond OP. I am in a flying vehicle and the only real answer to them is forges or one lucky rail shot, no my weapons should not be the most powerful weapon in the game. That is not fair at all. Now I will say that I have not had the chance to fly after the fix put in today. but by all of the QQIng I am seeing it is probably pretty close to a good balance, it is just people don't like not being able to pilot flying death machines any more.
Now on a serious note is this a fair assumption or not. |
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D'Finn Rhedlyne
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.11.21 23:34:00 -
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HA! What goes around, comes around.
'nuff said.
END OF THREAD. |
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Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.21 23:35:00 -
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I just took my tank out, killed a few guys with my railgun.. ate some forge blasts, lost the game, but had my tank still... it's no the end of the world with this fix |
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Phantom Cheshire
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Posted - 2012.11.22 00:05:00 -
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+1 |
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DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2012.11.22 00:21:00 -
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It's a dropship, not a gunship. The pilots of Dust 514 will eventually be getting some seriously badass flying machines designed to attack and dominate... but remember that the dropship isn't supposed to play that role. It's guns should be more used for temporary defense than offense (actually shouldn't be used for offense at all). |
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Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2012.11.22 00:44:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:It's a dropship, not a gunship. The pilots of Dust 514 will eventually be getting some seriously badass flying machines designed to attack and dominate... but remember that the dropship isn't supposed to play that role. It's guns should be more used for temporary defense than offense (actually shouldn't be used for offense at all). That's nice. Now explain how that makes the over-nerf on Large Missile Turrets a good idea. |
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Goat of Dover
Shadow Company HQ
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Posted - 2012.11.22 01:02:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:It's a dropship, not a gunship. The pilots of Dust 514 will eventually be getting some seriously badass flying machines designed to attack and dominate... but remember that the dropship isn't supposed to play that role. It's guns should be more used for temporary defense than offense (actually shouldn't be used for offense at all). That's nice. Now explain how that makes the over-nerf on Large Missile Turrets a good idea.
I do think that it is a bad thing for the large turrets the large where not the problem it was the small. Thought yes they could have had a small nerf on the radius it was always the small that caused issues not the large |
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Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears
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Posted - 2012.11.22 01:07:00 -
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I love this thread <3 |
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Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2012.11.22 01:14:00 -
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Goat of Dover wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:It's a dropship, not a gunship. The pilots of Dust 514 will eventually be getting some seriously badass flying machines designed to attack and dominate... but remember that the dropship isn't supposed to play that role. It's guns should be more used for temporary defense than offense (actually shouldn't be used for offense at all). That's nice. Now explain how that makes the over-nerf on Large Missile Turrets a good idea. I do think that it is a bad thing for the large turrets the large where not the problem it was the small. Thought yes they could have had a small nerf on the radius it was always the small that caused issues not the large Large Turrets were a problem because they were pinpoint-accuracy weapons with huge radius, range and damage. Nerfing a couple of those things was totally reasonable, but they stripped away ALL the potential usefulness the turrets have.
I'm not happy. But I'm also not against the whole nerf - I just think it was overdone. |
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Bragian Order Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.11.22 03:42:00 -
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I spent 3mil sp on something that is now useless. Maps aren't big enough for a dropship to be a real option since a good hit of swarms flips you upside down and smash you off the ground leaving you there staring at 700+ thousand isk waiting to be blown up. Sure its meant to just drop ppl off but a ds piliot gets no reward for doing his job now the one thing that did get him points is nerfed so bad 2 guys with av gernades could kill the ds if he got in range to potentially kill them with 3 shots.
Sorry about spelling typing from my phone. |
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KripnawtiQ Prime
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.11.22 04:03:00 -
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Lololol I figured people would rage over the nerf but its grown to epic status really. Just saying |
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Posted - 2012.11.22 04:08:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:It's a dropship, not a gunship. The pilots of Dust 514 will eventually be getting some seriously badass flying machines designed to attack and dominate... but remember that the dropship isn't supposed to play that role. It's guns should be more used for temporary defense than offense (actually shouldn't be used for offense at all).
CCP specified that they were expected to be used as close air support, so you are incorrect. |
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Phantom Cheshire
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.22 06:45:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:It's a dropship, not a gunship. The pilots of Dust 514 will eventually be getting some seriously badass flying machines designed to attack and dominate... but remember that the dropship isn't supposed to play that role. It's guns should be more used for temporary defense than offense (actually shouldn't be used for offense at all).
Oh the infantry QQ that will occur when they learn the gunships are made for supremacy. All insanity aside if they are making us actually use the dropships for nothing but transport they should buff our shields and armor substantially. |
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Relyt R
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.22 08:39:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Tzaar Bomba wrote:Missles were definitely the most O.P thing in this game. Now you'll have to actually have to do some work. Dont worry though since you will no longer be carried your skill level will shoot up, just give it time. Here's where CCP ****** up again. They made them require more accuracy by reducing splash effectiveness, and the proceeded to make it impossible to shoot where you aim with very high dispersion. It's a joke. They are still OHK, but now you have to roll a d20 to see if you hit first.
lucky for me i get a +5 badassery modifier, as well as a +3 enhancement bonus. Also, i frequently cast true strike. |
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Posted - 2012.11.22 11:58:00 -
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With the forge having two times the range of the small missile turret it makes getting or staying anywhere almost impossable. Have any of you seen the range its pathetic. I think splash damage alone would have been enough |
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Posted - 2012.11.22 12:30:00 -
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Missiles are a impact explosive designed to Pierce the armor on tanks and other vehicles. They are no't made For anti infantry, And are not made to deal damage based on a blast wave of shrapnel. They can still be used that way but will no't be as effective as something designed to deal damage using shrapnel. I see missiles doing there job just fine now. To address a previous post. Grenades have a higher blast radius, and more damage with the blast radius because that is that they are designed to do. I think both grenades and missiles are working properly And as intended.
Keep faith. I'm sure when we get the minmatar tank cannons you will get you spash damage based explosive projectiles. |
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Umbat Boki
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Posted - 2012.11.22 12:40:00 -
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John Chevelle wrote:Missiles are a impact explosive designed to Pierce the armor on tanks and other vehicles. They are no't made For anti infantry, And are not made to deal damage based on a blast wave of shrapnel. They can still be used that way but will no't be as effective as something designed to deal damage using shrapnel. I see missiles doing there job just fine now. To address a previous post. Grenades have a higher blast radius, and more damage with the blast radius because that is that they are designed to do. I think both grenades and missiles are working properly And as intended.
Keep faith. I'm sure when we get the minmatar tank cannons you will get you spash damage based explosive projectiles.
Israel is using missiles to kill people quite "efficiently" at this moment as far as news says. |
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Posted - 2012.11.22 21:13:00 -
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Umbat Boki wrote:John Chevelle wrote:Missiles are a impact explosive designed to Pierce the armor on tanks and other vehicles. They are no't made For anti infantry, And are not made to deal damage based on a blast wave of shrapnel. They can still be used that way but will no't be as effective as something designed to deal damage using shrapnel. I see missiles doing there job just fine now. To address a previous post. Grenades have a higher blast radius, and more damage with the blast radius because that is that they are designed to do. I think both grenades and missiles are working properly And as intended.
Keep faith. I'm sure when we get the minmatar tank cannons you will get you spash damage based explosive projectiles. Israel is using missiles to kill people quite "efficiently" at this moment as far as news says.
I think you lost the meaning of the post *ps I'm John Chevelle* The missiles they used were designed to have a large blast radius. There missiles were designed to damage or kill light ground targets. If they used av missiles to attack There would be more damage to the building then to the people *unless they were under the blast when the missile hit. But then again, If you were under the blast of an a strike from above it wouldn't matter what hit you, you would be dead.*
MY point being is that all things have there designed role. The missiles we have atm are mainly AV. Altho I do agree with some people as the small missiles should have a bigger blast radius. A 2.8-3.3 radius would be fantastic. |
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Posted - 2012.11.22 21:45:00 -
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What about the fragmented launchers, which are designed for blast radius? |
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