as a skilled tank driver i will say this, forge guns are semi balanced other then the 3 hit kill through 7000 shields and the 4 hit kill through 10000 armour.

in my personal opinion they need a slight Nerf, very slight just enough to give the tank a fighting chance against the forge gunner 3 miles away on the side of the hill >_>

as a skilled tank driver i will say this, forge guns are semi balanced other then the 3 hit kill through 7000 shields and the 4 hit kill through 10000 armour.

in my personal opinion they need a slight Nerf, very slight just enough to give the tank a fighting chance against the forge gunner 3 miles away on the side of the hill >_>

LMAO. Right. Cuz it's not fair that you don't get to keep your cheap half a mil ISK tank through 10 straight 30/0 games right? We need to nerf FG cuz obviously those OP things just totally control the game now and make it impossible to field a tank.

On a related note, we should nerf infantry speed too - cuz, wtf ,those things sometimes manage to run outside the nuke radius of a tank missile. Makes it totally impossible to go through at 50/0 game these days with a tank that I HAD TO PAY SO MUCH ISK FOR!! It is just not balanced!

You're very angry about vehicles, and other than the missile turrets, they're not really that bad.

I'm a Swarm-based AV guy on my main and run AV as a secondary role on both my alts, only one of whom has ever owned any tanks or dropships.

LAV's are definitely skill based. A good LAV driver can tear up the battlefield. My Saga costs me 365 K, and I've taken out a couple of tanks with it. My only deaths are multiple swarms/forge hits, or tanks.

Wait, are you seriously saying that a tank does not have a chance against a heavy with a forge gun? Even you have just said it takes 3-4 forge hits (and those are probably proto because I can't 3 hit kill a tank with my standard forge) to take your tank down. Do you really want us to believe that you can't kill a forge gunner, even one who is sitting all the way across the map, with a single missile barrage? Come on now, there is no way a forge is OP.

Obviously not a HAV driver

Forge gunners hide behind hills and the only way THE ONLY WAY to get a kill on that forge gunner is a direct hit, he charges up and pops out for less than a couple of seconds fires the gun and hits the tank and is back behind the hill

'OP' missiles splash damage doesn't travel over the hill

very interesting you using double damage mods and the best modules to price it up so high? Im driving them myself and i got the best turret and the best damage mods on it. I assume you use the most expensive shield modules otherwise i dont see how you could get there. But in the end the best and the low priced shield extenders are only like 120HP apart and does not benefit you very much. And the best shield booster grants you only a 5 sec bonus on cooldown.

That is all, wait for it, untrue. Having played as both a HAV gunner and forge gunner I can tell you that you just need some elevation. With the height advantage you don't have to get a direct hit just the splash damage will kill the heavy. Don't shoot the hill shoot the rise right behind where the heavy is hiding. Your top turret gunner almost always has this height advantage.

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2 Advanced PGU, Prototype Accelerated Turrets, F-35 Shield Extender, Shield Hardener, and the CL-3 Shield Recharger. I could have it cost less but every point counts, especially since I've survived a couple times with only 140 or so armor.

Obv not a HAV driver

Forge gunners hide behind hills and the only way THE ONLY WAY to get a kill on that forge gunner is a direct hit, he charges up and pops out for less than a couple of seconds fires the gun and hits the tank and is back behind the hill

'OP' missiles splash damage doesnt travel over the hill

I can't believe my eyes. Is a tank pilot complaining about forges? Is the guy whose sitting in a million dollar tank one shotting everything with a turret that shoots 4 missiles at unlimited range with 2 more people able to jump in and help complaining that his shield tank that can wishstand 4 hits from a prototype forge and run after the first hit to go charge shields... is too squishy? Then I complain that proto forges suck, one fires as soon as charged, the other takes 6 seconds and unable to move, and at such a damn price I shouldn't be getting fall backs in usage, charging behind cover and firing on a tank that 1 shots me is all we forgers have. If this guy can complain he's too squishy then I complain we're not only too squishy, we're limited, over priced, and useless for anything but anti-air.

Forge gunners are complaining.

HAV drivers are complaining.

Forge vs HAV must be pretty balanced then.

Good job CCP.

Handheld Forge gun stronger than a vehicle mounted railgun

Hm yea that makes sense...

Good thing they dont lock on or turn 90 degrees yet...

Careful they might just ask for that, its already too hard for them as it is

To the tank pilots who use the "but my tank costs more than your forge" rebuttal.


Av 'nades cost almost nothing.
My Saga costs around 300,000.
4 av grenades will kill my Saga.

All it takes is a jerk with a nanohive or two people who see me nearby. At least forge guns can only be carried by slow, bulky heavy suits. My LAV can be taken out by any suit on the field, INCLUDING the ones hunting your ass down, and I NEVER know who has the AV 'nades until they throw them. Quit complaining and realize that a forge gun was MEANT to do what it does to your tank.

And if you think it's easy to track you down to kill your tank, you are out of your mind. Once in a while a forge gunner will find himself in a good spot to shoot at you, but most of the time he's dodging bullets and missiles and LAV's, not counting whatever you are shooting at him, trying to get a clear line of sight on you, and once he starts charging up a shot, every red dot in the area hears it and sees that glowing blue light. When a forge gunner can get one shot off without being shot at, he's having a good day.

Forge guns VS tanks are working as intended, minus some hit detection, aiming, splash damage and range issues.

Just be glad those aren't fixed yet.

im that merc chasing u with av nades and a nanohive. AR works better for self defense. Yes, the chances of dying are high, but most of the time i drive them back into cover, and it only takes militia fittings to get the job done. And damn, is it fun.

Soloing a tank, or contributing to its demise, priceless =)

I've noticed this from both sides. HAV drivers really need to remain outside grenade throwing range of any size group. All it takes is one guy with three flux and another with a couple AV nades to decimate even a well fit Sagaris in seconds. One guy can't do it alone, but odds are any mid size group will contain two or more who can hurt you, and you will be target number one because everyone wants the big prize.

Handheld Forge gun stronger than a vehicle mounted railgun

Hm yea that makes sense...

So let me get this straight a tank shouldnt be able to solo a whole map and have an undeniable advantage to mow down infantry. But infantry should be able to solo a tank. Cool story.