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Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2012.11.15 01:41:00 - [1] - Quote To immediately get to the point- why should type II dropsuits cost more than type I? It isn't like they're necessarily better than type I, it's just a subtype of a suit meant to support a different play style- in fact, I think lowering the cost to that of type I suits would greatly widen some of the setups and strategies we see. If we already put more SP into being able to use dropsuits that are the same thing as less skill-intensive dropsuits (aside from some tweaks rearranging strengths and weaknesses), they should cost the same. Who's with me on this?
BobThe843CakeMan BurgezzE.T.F 132	Posted - 2012.11.15 01:50:00 - [2] - Quote Edit ( Type II dropsuits ) rely on shields. at least assault ones do. Shield > in $$ than armor. Hope this helpped. :D
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2012.11.15 01:58:00 - [3] - Quote BobThe843CakeMan wrote: Edit ( Type II dropsuits ) rely on shields. at least assault ones do. Shield > in $$ than armor. Hope this helpped. :D As far as infantry goes, shields actually aren't always best. Think of laser rifles. And type II isn't always about shields- scout type II is like a logi/scout hybrid- some stuff as type I, only without a sidearm slot, and a second equipment slot logistics type II is faster, but I believe it's also squishier (can't remember the exact weakness)
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1060	Posted - 2012.11.15 02:59:00 - [4] - Quote Type-II assault and heavy's rely mainly on shields and they are popular cause shields regenerate while armor does not without a armor repair. Scouts are basically wannabe logis and the logi variant loses a equipment slot to gain more speed.
Nahtlog BetaMax. 16	Posted - 2012.11.15 03:34:00 - [5] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: BobThe843CakeMan wrote: Edit ( Type II dropsuits ) rely on shields. at least assault ones do. Shield > in $$ than armor. Hope this helpped. :D As far as infantry goes, shields actually aren't always best. Think of laser rifles. And type II isn't always about shields- scout type II is like a logi/scout hybrid- some stuff as type I, only without a sidearm slot, and a second equipment slot logistics type II is faster, but I believe it's also squishier (can't remember the exact weakness) It replaces an equipment slot for faster speed and stamina stats. Prototype variant only can carry 3 equipment, while the vk.0 Logistics suit carries 4.
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2012.11.15 05:02:00 - [6] - Quote I wasn't a big fan of the Type-II Assault dropsuit a while ago,but after I upgraded my shield a little more that what they were,I realize how much better it is to be shield tanked than armor tanked. My next target is to get the Series B suit.Hope I can get it before a reset.
Radioship Algintal Core Gallente Federation 57	Posted - 2012.11.15 10:41:00 - [7] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: I wasn't a big fan of the Type-II Assault dropsuit a while ago,but after I upgraded my shield a little more that what they were,I realize how much better it is to be shield tanked than armor tanked. My next target is to get the Series B suit.Hope I can get it before a reset. You have plenty of time, reset is in 2013 :)
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2012.11.15 12:12:00 - [8] - Quote Radioship wrote: Th3rdSun wrote: I wasn't a big fan of the Type-II Assault dropsuit a while ago,but after I upgraded my shield a little more that what they were,I realize how much better it is to be shield tanked than armor tanked. My next target is to get the Series B suit.Hope I can get it before a reset. You have plenty of time, reset is in 2013 :) That may not be true.Open beta is in 2013.CCP hasn't said when the next build/reset is.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 886	Posted - 2012.11.15 12:42:00 - [9] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: To immediately get to the point- why should type II dropsuits cost more than type I? It isn't like they're necessarily better than type I, it's just a subtype of a suit meant to support a different play style- in fact, I think lowering the cost to that of type I suits would greatly widen some of the setups and strategies we see. If we already put more SP into being able to use dropsuits that are the same thing as less skill-intensive dropsuits (aside from some tweaks rearranging strengths and weaknesses), they should cost the same. Who's with me on this? Well, you get more overall health with the type II. 225 +105 > 125 + 175. Also, the type II has more CPUs and PGs than the type I so it should cost more.
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Legacy Rising 914	Posted - 2012.11.15 13:37:00 - [10] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: I wasn't a big fan of the Type-II Assault dropsuit a while ago,but after I upgraded my shield a little more that what they were,I realize how much better it is to be shield tanked than armor tanked. My next target is to get the Series B suit.Hope I can get it before a reset. CCP said no reset until we go to TQ sometime next year.

Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2012.11.15 15:44:00 - [11] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: Th3rdSun wrote: I wasn't a big fan of the Type-II Assault dropsuit a while ago,but after I upgraded my shield a little more that what they were,I realize how much better it is to be shield tanked than armor tanked. My next target is to get the Series B suit.Hope I can get it before a reset. CCP said no reset until we go to TQ sometime next year. Link?
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2012.11.15 22:26:00 - [12] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: To immediately get to the point- why should type II dropsuits cost more than type I? It isn't like they're necessarily better than type I, it's just a subtype of a suit meant to support a different play style- in fact, I think lowering the cost to that of type I suits would greatly widen some of the setups and strategies we see. If we already put more SP into being able to use dropsuits that are the same thing as less skill-intensive dropsuits (aside from some tweaks rearranging strengths and weaknesses), they should cost the same. Who's with me on this? Well, you get more overall health with the type II. 225 +105 > 125 + 175. Also, the type II has more CPUs and PGs than the type I so it should cost more. Are we looking at the same dropsuits? At least for scout suits, they're exactly the same, aside from the slots being changed
Dorva X101 Bragian Order Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.11.15 22:44:00 - [13] - Quote The additional cost may reflect what ccp is estimating the suit will cost based on materials. In EVE the cost of an item can directly be traced back to the cost of the individual minerals and components that it takes to make the item. Tech 2 ships and modules in EVE are also similar in that they are better in very specific roles. However, the process to make a Tech 2 item is much more involved, requiring special skills, invention to make the blueprints, and rarer more exclusive minerals. Thus more expensive, but not ALWAYS better.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.11.16 01:59:00 - [14] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: CCP said no reset until we go to TQ sometime next year. Link? Will this do? Nova Knife's post. #6 in the thread. Should be a direct link with the post at the top of the page. Nova Knife wrote: The next build is mostly a stability/polish release. They are mostly focussing on fixing what is in the beta already. NO SP RESET NEXT BUILD There's also a thread with an IRC transcript where the devs mentioned it, but that's at least 10 pages ago.
Rugman91 Deep Space Republic 143	Posted - 2012.11.16 10:03:00 - [15] - Quote I agree with OP. Also their cpu and pg should be the same
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2012.11.16 12:22:00 - [16] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Th3rdSun wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: CCP said no reset until we go to TQ sometime next year. Link? Will this do? Nova Knife's post. #6 in the thread. Should be a direct link with the post at the top of the page. Nova Knife wrote: The next build is mostly a stability/polish release. They are mostly focussing on fixing what is in the beta already. NO SP RESET NEXT BUILD There's also a thread with an IRC transcript where the devs mentioned it, but that's at least 10 pages ago. Not really.I don't see a "Dev" tag next to his name.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 886	Posted - 2012.11.16 12:28:00 - [17] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: To immediately get to the point- why should type II dropsuits cost more than type I? It isn't like they're necessarily better than type I, it's just a subtype of a suit meant to support a different play style- in fact, I think lowering the cost to that of type I suits would greatly widen some of the setups and strategies we see. If we already put more SP into being able to use dropsuits that are the same thing as less skill-intensive dropsuits (aside from some tweaks rearranging strengths and weaknesses), they should cost the same. Who's with me on this? Well, you get more overall health with the type II. 225 +105 > 125 + 175. Also, the type II has more CPUs and PGs than the type I so it should cost more. Are we looking at the same dropsuits? At least for scout suits, they're exactly the same, aside from the slots being changed I'm looming at assault type 1 & type 2....they're different.
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2012.11.16 16:51:00 - [18] - Quote Plain and simple,if you have a fully decked out Type-II,and no lag,you can rule over almost anyone,one on one.
Knightshade Belladonna Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 288	Posted - 2012.11.16 17:56:00 - [19] - Quote I hate that the type II assault is better than the A type, such crap.. got to wait for 2 sp cap resets to fkn train lvl 4 of assault so I can get out of this piece of **** suit
MassiveNine Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 100	Posted - 2012.11.16 19:52:00 - [20] - Quote Not sure why there's all this hate on the type A. As a heavy it's what I use on my primary suit and I love it. With the extra slot, it's almost like having an extra life. I easily die half as much as I used to with the type II almost completely because of the extra slot. Not to mention all the armor I walk around with. I think the problem is a lot of people (not you necessarily) are jumping right into the type A without upgrading the necessaries to run a suit like that. If you run a nice suit with cheap modules what do you think is going to happen?



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