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red ed
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.11.11 21:46:00 -
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WTF CCP why are you breaking your own rules?!!!
Quote:CCP Cmdr Wang: Grand Championship: 10-11 November
No time limit - Each match of the Grand Championship has no time limit, and only ends when one side destroys the otherGÇÖs MCC. Best of 4 matches - Two matches will be held on the EU battleserver and two matches on the NA battleserver. In the event of a tie, the team with the most Kills from the last 4 matches shall be the winner.
According to your own rules posted here Rules
Imperfects should not have won their first match as described here Tournament Finals
Quote:GM Grave: An amazingly close match with [P0NY-] dominating early on by holding points A & C for the majority of the game giving them a huge lead on MCC damage to [IMPPP-] . However [IMPPP-] made a come back and took all 3 points although just at the end of the match while [P0NY-] retook objective B [P0NY-] also had more MCC structure but began to run out of clones and lost the match when they exceeded their clone limit giving a hard fought win to [IMPPP-].
According to the rules you laid out CCP clones were not suppose to be a limit on the finals. These are the finals and yet you allowed a victory based on clone depletion when the rules clearly stated it HAD to be an MCC destruction which never occurred.
How are we as a community suppose to have any faith in your word CCP when you don't stick to your word when it comes to rules you laid out about this tournament!? Not to detract from Imperfects victory, they will win either way with the help of their modded controllers that everyone knows they uses. Hard not to lose when your top players have fully auto-matic tactical rifles. I guess that is something else CCP will let slide along with their rules, I mean why not? There is probably a few CCP in Imperfects, would make sense since they let them get away with so much.
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Leither Yiltron
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.11.11 21:47:00 -
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3/10 would not troll again. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.11.11 21:49:00 -
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ouch.. comments ccp? |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
742
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Posted - 2012.11.11 21:51:00 -
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Bad thread is bad. |
Paran Tadec
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.11.11 21:57:00 -
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u mad bro? |
red ed
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.11.11 22:00:00 -
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it's not a bad thread, and it's not a troll. this is a legitimate concern. If the roles were switched and seraphim had won due to clone loss I would have still made this thread. It's against the rules plain and simple and it isn't fair to either side. There should be a rematch where the rules are actually acknowledged this time. I was considering investing money in this game but since we can't trust them to follow their own rules and guidelines for their first tournament I'm having serious second thoughts. Heck its reasonable to say that because of this its fair that everyone should have second thoughts. |
red ed
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.11.11 22:02:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:u mad bro? 2006 called they wan't their catch phrase back. Don't worry I called the 70's and asked to borrow their come back, they said it was ok because you're a tool box. |
Paran Tadec
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
902
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Posted - 2012.11.11 22:03:00 -
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red ed wrote:it's not a bad thread, and it's not a troll. this is a legitimate concern. If the roles were switched and seraphim had won due to clone loss I would have still made this thread. It's against the rules plain and simple and it isn't fair to either side. There should be a rematch where the rules are actually acknowledged this time. I was considering investing money in this game but since we can't trust them to follow their own rules and guidelines for their first tournament I'm having serious second thoughts. Heck its reasonable to say that because of this its fair that everyone should have second thoughts.
Invest money? In a free game? LOLLOLOLOLOLOL. |
Tyrus 4
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.11.11 22:03:00 -
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red ed wrote:it's not a bad thread, and it's not a troll. this is a legitimate concern. If the roles were switched and seraphim had won due to clone loss I would have still made this thread. It's against the rules plain and simple and it isn't fair to either side. There should be a rematch where the rules are actually acknowledged this time. I was considering investing money in this game but since we can't trust them to follow their own rules and guidelines for their first tournament I'm having serious second thoughts. Heck its reasonable to say that because of this its fair that everyone should have second thoughts.
lol the fact that you felt you had to say that shows that you wouldn't have. |
Obama DAT
Doomheim
389
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Posted - 2012.11.11 22:04:00 -
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Who cares? 99% of the 200 people left playing this game dont. |
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red ed
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.11.11 22:05:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:
Invest money? In a free game? LOLLOLOLOLOLOL.
you laugh but everyone knows ya bought. the merc pack |
Paran Tadec
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
902
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Posted - 2012.11.11 22:05:00 -
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red ed wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:u mad bro? 2006 called they wan't their catch phrase back. Don't worry I called the 70's and asked to borrow their come back, they said it was ok because you're a tool box.
Its from 2003 really, but wasnt big until 2010. Also, "wan't" isn't a word. |
Paran Tadec
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
902
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Posted - 2012.11.11 22:06:00 -
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red ed wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:
Invest money? In a free game? LOLLOLOLOLOLOL.
you laugh but everyone knows ya bought. the merc pack
which scrublet in SI are you? SHOW YOURSELF. |
Paran Tadec
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
902
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Posted - 2012.11.11 22:06:00 -
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Tyrus 4 wrote:red ed wrote:it's not a bad thread, and it's not a troll. this is a legitimate concern. If the roles were switched and seraphim had won due to clone loss I would have still made this thread. It's against the rules plain and simple and it isn't fair to either side. There should be a rematch where the rules are actually acknowledged this time. I was considering investing money in this game but since we can't trust them to follow their own rules and guidelines for their first tournament I'm having serious second thoughts. Heck its reasonable to say that because of this its fair that everyone should have second thoughts. lol the fact that you felt you had to say that shows that you wouldn't have.
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red ed
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.11.11 22:12:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:[
Its from 2003 really, but wasnt big until 2010. Also, "wan't" isn't a word. Actually it wasn't from 2003 but it's good to see you're also a liar as well as a cheater. Also wan't is a word the ' is what's called an accent. Why bring it up? u mad bro, that i'm right? Why ask you clearly are. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.11.11 22:12:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:red ed wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:u mad bro? 2006 called they wan't their catch phrase back. Don't worry I called the 70's and asked to borrow their come back, they said it was ok because you're a tool box. Its from 2003 really, but wasnt big until 2010. Also, "wan't" isn't a word.
I understand, You just mad bro, cause you aint like me.. common words used in early free style rapping going back to the early 90's .. did not catch on as a meme to the general public until 2003, when well known yet ****** rapper CamRon or however spelled, had a picture of him with the phrase YOU MAD across it plastered all over the usual entertainment networks |
I-Shayz-I
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.11.11 22:13:00 -
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red ed wrote: 2006 called they wan't their catch phrase back. Don't worry I called the 70's and asked to borrow their come back, they said it was ok because you're a tool box.
AND YOU DIDN'T WARN THEM ABOUT THE HURRICANES AND EARTHQUAKES AND OSAMA? |
Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.11.11 22:17:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:red ed wrote: 2006 called they wan't their catch phrase back. Don't worry I called the 70's and asked to borrow their come back, they said it was ok because you're a tool box.
AND YOU DIDN'T WARN THEM ABOUT THE HURRICANES AND EARTHQUAKES AND OSAMA?
LOL, that truly made me laugh |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1026
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Posted - 2012.11.11 22:20:00 -
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Who cares, they lost either way. Read the whole thing and they barely capped objectives. Amazing teams, but someone had to lose. Also both teams had same rules. Good games either way, I don't see Seraphim crying about it. But you're probably an alt anyways. |
Paran Tadec
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
902
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Posted - 2012.11.11 22:21:00 -
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red ed wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:[
Its from 2003 really, but wasnt big until 2010. Also, "wan't" isn't a word. Actually it wasn't from 2003 but it's good to see you're also a liar as well as a cheater. Also wan't is a word the ' is what's called an accent. Why bring it up? u mad bro, that i'm right? Why ask you clearly are.
TROLO |
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Cyn Bruin
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.11.11 22:25:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:red ed wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:[
Its from 2003 really, but wasnt big until 2010. Also, "wan't" isn't a word. Actually it wasn't from 2003 but it's good to see you're also a liar as well as a cheater. Also wan't is a word the ' is what's called an accent. Why bring it up? u mad bro, that i'm right? Why ask you clearly are. TROLO
Please let it go Paran. |
Paran Tadec
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
902
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Posted - 2012.11.11 22:27:00 -
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Cyn Bruin wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:red ed wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:[
Its from 2003 really, but wasnt big until 2010. Also, "wan't" isn't a word. Actually it wasn't from 2003 but it's good to see you're also a liar as well as a cheater. Also wan't is a word the ' is what's called an accent. Why bring it up? u mad bro, that i'm right? Why ask you clearly are. TROLO Please let it go Paran.
Oh, I was done with him. |
red ed
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.11.11 22:28:00 -
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Yeah Paran, better listen to yo mama. I know you're mad that I'm 100% right but better not make a deal of it. Better to just ignore this and let it die before people start paying attention to it also realize I'm right and then BAMZOOP next thing ya know ya gotta redo the finals this time using the actual stated rules. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.11.11 22:29:00 -
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About this dispute lolz no one in SI has disputed anything. Imperfects won fair and square and we had a wicked time in every game.
Dont care bout the rules we were here for the good fight and hell yea we finaly got three
Wicked night and thanks to all ..even you CCP. |
Paran Tadec
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
902
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Posted - 2012.11.11 22:31:00 -
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red ed wrote:Yeah Paran, better listen to yo mama. I know you're mad that I'm 100% right but better not make a deal of it. Better to just ignore this and let it die before people start paying attention to it also realize I'm right and then BAMZOOP next thing ya know ya gotta redo the finals this time using the actual stated rules.
says the freshly made npc corp alt |
steadyhand amarr
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
338
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Posted - 2012.11.11 22:32:00 -
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^^ same back at ya that first game was most fun iv had in any game for a long time ^^ real nail bitter |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1026
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Posted - 2012.11.11 22:33:00 -
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OK, time to bring logic out. In rules, it says that there will be no time limit, and battle ends when MCC is destroyed. Technically, when a team has no clones, it's MCC will be destroyed eventually anyways. Therefore, rules have been followed, and you can shove your shoe down your throat. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.11.11 22:36:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:OK, time to bring logic out. In rules, it says that there will be no time limit, and battle ends when MCC is destroyed. Technically, when a team has no clones, it's MCC will be destroyed eventually anyways. Therefore, rules have been followed, and you can shove your shoe down your throat.
Lolz nevar stop posting
No really SI is totaly not fussed about this and TBH its no ones concern but ours.
We are not concerned so drop it cos no one cares k |
Leither Yiltron
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
417
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Posted - 2012.11.11 22:38:00 -
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Oh, actually I didn't realize that they had scheduled the finals for today. This is actually fully bullshit. It explicitly says that the match would not end until one side's MCC was destroyed. Then again, CCP have been really bad all tournament long at like...everything organization wise. The one thing I can give them props for was that they were mostly on time putting the matches up to join.
Honestly, this is less of a tournament problem and more a problem with the clone count game mechanic. It's just a terrible idea all around. |
Kain Spero
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
898
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Posted - 2012.11.11 22:38:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:About this dispute lolz no one in SI has disputed anything. Imperfects won fair and square and we had a wicked time in every game. Dont care bout the rules we were here for the good fight and hell yea we finaly got three Wicked night and thanks to all ..even you CCP.
Really amazing fights. It was a lot of fun facing you guys on the battlefield. |
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Re-FLeX
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
152
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Posted - 2012.11.11 22:39:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:Oh, actually I didn't realize that they had scheduled the finals for today. This is actually fully bullshit. It explicitly says that the match would not end until one side's MCC was destroyed. Then again, CCP have been really bad all tournament long at like...everything organization wise. The one thing I can give them props for was that they were mostly on time putting the matches up to join.
Honestly, this is less of a tournament problem and more a ******** underlying with the clone count game mechanic. It's just a terrible idea all around.
Cry me a river..... |
Tiel Syysch
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
633
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Posted - 2012.11.11 22:43:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:It explicitly says that the match would not end until one side's MCC was destroyed.
It also says:
Quote:CCP reserves final judgment in all cases regarding the rules.
In the end, neither team is upset over this match (probably the most amazing match out of the tournament, I hope we can get a full recording of this one from CCP), so why are other people who didn't even participate? |
Leither Yiltron
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
417
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Posted - 2012.11.11 23:11:00 -
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Why didn't you read my post? Zzzz, typical forum warrior. |
red ed
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.11.11 23:15:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:red ed wrote:Yeah Paran, better listen to yo mama. I know you're mad that I'm 100% right but better not make a deal of it. Better to just ignore this and let it die before people start paying attention to it also realize I'm right and then BAMZOOP next thing ya know ya gotta redo the finals this time using the actual stated rules. says the freshly made npc corp alt
freshly made?! check the date I joined the corp, nothing fresh about it. I thought you said you were done with me? Guess that is just one more lie to add to the list. I also notice no one in your corp is rebutting me so that must mean not only do ya agree with the fact that the rules weren't followed but ya also agree that some of your members cheat and use modified turbo controllers. Your silence is as good as a confession. |
Eppenguar Magus
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.11.11 23:15:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:About this dispute lolz no one in SI has disputed anything. Imperfects won fair and square and we had a wicked time in every game. Dont care bout the rules we were here for the good fight and hell yea we finaly got three Wicked night and thanks to all ..even you CCP.
I really like the attitude of your Corporation.
-Seriously. |
Tiel Syysch
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
633
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Posted - 2012.11.11 23:18:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:Why didn't you read my post? Zzzz, typical forum warrior.
I'm sorry, I didn't see you in my room with me. You must have looked away while I was reading your post, which I did, I just didn't care to comment on the rest of it. I could report it for language if you'd like? |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2012.11.11 23:20:00 -
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Ummm... good luck defending the MCC when nobody's allowed to spawn in any more?
That's as solid a defeat condition as the MCC destruction, and NOT a time limit based defeat, which is the only specifically defined invalid loss condition. While it's a shame the devs didn't think to include it in the rules as a way to win, I can't see any logical reason for this to be discounted.
Although at the same time, I think it's a legitimate topic to question, given the wording of the rules.
For the record, I'm not affiliated with either corp, neither are my alts, and I don't particularly care who wins because it was never going to be me or anyone I know particularly well. But I have been following intermittently out of curiosity, and I have read the rules, several threads about different tournament events, and the whole of this thread up to #34. |
Nickles Jester
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.11.11 23:22:00 -
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This whole topic is complete Horse pewy. I've played with imperfects enough to know they are all legit and as it was said before when clones are depleted the MCC is destroyed so depleting clones can be considered the same as blowing up the MCC. Although admittedly the whole clone mechanic is rather confusing, at least in this situation. Either way Imperfects won fair and square and SI is cool about it.
From what I've seen of them at least none of them would do something like this. Might be someone from another Corp you guys beat earlier if you ask me. Either way from the sounds of it it was an epic match and I hope we'll be able to watch it some day, one for the record books. |
red ed
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.11.12 00:08:00 -
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Nickles Jester wrote:This whole topic is complete Horse pewy. I've played with imperfects enough to know they are all legit and as it was said before when clones are depleted the MCC is destroyed so depleting clones can be considered the same as blowing up the MCC. Although admittedly the whole clone mechanic is rather confusing, at least in this situation. Either way Imperfects won fair and square and SI is cool about it.
From what I've seen of them at least none of them would do something like this. Might be someone from another Corp you guys beat earlier if you ask me. Either way from the sounds of it it was an epic match and I hope we'll be able to watch it some day, one for the record books.
That's convoluted crap! When have you ever played a corp battle or even a skirmish with a timer? Answer is never! So why include language describing a timer? Simple in this case clones would be a timer, a timer that can easily be run out by either team before the MCC is destroyed. When was the last time you saw an MCC blow up when clones are depleted? Answer Never! Because it doesn't and there still can be survivors alive and taking/ holding capture points when the last clone dies. That argument is just wrong and holds no water and you and anyone else who uses it is an idiot plain and simple. Why is it you Betamax people are always defending the Imperfects?! It makes no sense, first they betray you all, stab you all in the backs and leave and then all they do is talk **** about you guys all the time. Yet all ya do is defend them anytime they are slandered its moronic. Everyone knows they use modded controllers, just like everyone knows they use to boost all the time and they were definitely one of the first corps to exploit the eve isk transfer, now there is no doubt that they farm new characters to keep their corp well supplied. Heck in one night alone I saw their corp member numbers jump from 44 to 43 and back to 44 at least 10 times in 2 hours. All they do is exploit, cheat, and double-cross their allies when ever possible, that is when they arn't rage quitting games right and left to preserve their precious leader board positions that is. So again why support them? Why defend them? it's stupid, your stupid. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
742
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Posted - 2012.11.12 00:13:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:red ed wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:
Invest money? In a free game? LOLLOLOLOLOLOL.
you laugh but everyone knows ya bought. the merc pack which scrublet in SI are you? SHOW YOURSELF.
:( He's not one of ours, honest.
I like how everyone that is not involved actually cares, yet SI and Imperfects had a good match and are totally cool with the outcome. If you look back at one of SI's first fights with WTF, they did them in on the clone count and nobody complained then. Thread is bad.
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Richard Sebire
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.11.12 00:16:00 -
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I'm glad the tournament is finally over now. Been waiting ages for my next update. Win or lose, it's taking part that counts... The tournament has taught me not to take this game to seriously. It seems there's going to be an upper class or Elite, player base, whom will just put others off playing it. |
red ed
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.11.12 00:22:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:red ed wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:
Invest money? In a free game? LOLLOLOLOLOLOL.
you laugh but everyone knows ya bought. the merc pack which scrublet in SI are you? SHOW YOURSELF. :( He's not one of ours, honest. I like how everyone that is not involved actually cares, yet SI and Imperfects had a good match and are totally cool with the outcome. If you look back at one of SI's first fights with WTF, they did them in on the clone count and nobody complained then. Thread is bad.
No, to put this to bed I have zero affiliation with this corp. I am a free agent. At one time I did belong to The Southern Legion but I quit due to disagreements with most of the corp members, they wanted to be more like Imperfects and wanted to start exploiting. I wanted no part of it so I left. That was on a different name I do not use anymore. So put those thoughts to rest, you can see by the date I rejoined Royal Uhlans that I've been on this name for awhile. I know I did not play in this tourney but it doesn't change the fact that rules were stated and not followed. If I didn't say something no one would have and this travesty would have gone on without resistance. All evil needs to succeed is for good men to do nothing, so something had to be said and done. |
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GM Grave
Game Masters C C P Alliance
68
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Posted - 2012.11.12 00:31:00 -
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Locking a rant thread, no trolling please... |
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Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.11.12 00:32:00 -
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If you have any respect at all for SI I would ask you to stop.
Why not make a post in feed back about effective ways to run a tourny etc but please leave us out of it. So far all your doing is anoying SI after a night of massive fun.
We had a good night now please if you must go post somthing useful in feed back and without the name calling. |
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