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Mister Hunt
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.11.10 08:34:00 -
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AR isn't the master of Mid as defined by your definitions though, that would fall to the HMG or Laser Rifle. Don't forget those Mkitten Drivers that terrorize players on a nightly basis. The scrambler pistol is pretty handy pistol if you know how to use it as well.
Basically your "test" is flawed if you pick and choose what weapons are used in your testing. Each and every weapon, not just weapon type, would need to be tested. Which is what a beta test is for. Coming in and wanting something nerfed if you have not, by your own admission tested them (the laser rifle was introduced in Codex, so you say you've never used them). The reason that you see more ARs than anything else is that they work the same as any other AR in any other game. The most popular weapon in any game is the AR, followed closely by Sniper Rifles and HMGs. The "specialty" guns trail them. But you didn't put the HMG into your test at all, and it is a rather popular weapon right now in Dust.
The AR is fine. It does need to have the weapon spread and kick reinstated to former levels, but that was only lowered because people came in and made posts spouting "facts" so CCP made them uber easy.
*edited so as not to look trollish* |
Mister Hunt
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.11.10 09:07:00 -
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I run one of 2 primary fit types, a logistics AR and an Assault AR, as I have AR to 5 and several levels of Proficiency. I also have Forge Gun, HMG, Laser Rifle, Pistols, Nova Knife, Mass Driver, and Sniper Rifle all to level 2 or 3 on this character, I also have a Sniper 5 character. I run the AR fits because I'm too cheap to buy stuff, and that is what I happened to skill into first. I primarily use the Militia Assault Rifle.
From my experience, the MAR is a mediocre weapon until you have invested seriously into not only the AR itself, but into the support skills for that suit, and then use damage modifiers. A fresh character running an AR will still lose to a fresh char running a Mass Driver (only takes Weaponry 4, which you can get with your starter points, play 1 match, buy the Mass Driver skill book and good to go) from just about any range. A militia Sniper Rifle from a no SP having Sniper that is crouching is still deadly, even inside the newbies AR range. The scrambler pistol is just stupid OP imho, which is why I'm in love with it hehe. The only SMG I use is the free "special" one that came with the merc pack. I have not skilled much into it. But from what I have seen, if I kill you with it, you suck and should stop playing. I can't work that thing right for some reason. The shotty is working just like any other shotty out there, nothing much to say about it.
So as far as your "fresh character" (opposite of the proto 5) look at things, the Mass Driver, if the person can aim it right, completely wrecks. For just a couple of matches in the default AR setup, one can get into an HMG setup if they have the Skinweave Heavy at a very early time as well, and completely inflate their KDR to outrageous levels. And the first few days of this build, those with Laser Rifles were the overall kings, killing everyone and their mother with just a flick of the wrist. |
Mister Hunt
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
230
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Posted - 2012.11.10 09:31:00 -
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In answer to your last post, I have found that most of the weapons can be skilled in to within 5 games, and that is just so that you can afford the skillbooks. The reason for the HMG being so easy for me to obtain however is I have the Skinweave Heavy Suit, so that affects me being able to look at it from a standpoint of skill points, since I don't require the skillpoints into the Heavy Suit to use it.
How do you get into them so fast? The number is only if you forsake any other skills starting out and pump everything you have into weaponry, then into the weapon skill you want. It is not the method I would teach someone new to the game to take, as not having the supporting skills can be rough if you don't know what you are doing out there. But for someone that has been around here for a little bit, just a couple hours after things patch up they can be in a Heavy suit firing off HMG rounds everywhere. |
Mister Hunt
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
230
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Posted - 2012.11.10 10:20:00 -
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Sure, will do, and as far as the HMG goes, that is perfectly understandable. I just wanted to throw out that possibility (since that is why I have a little HMG skilled up, I cook my KDR for a day or so every build hehe). The laser being a tougher fit I hadn't thought of, as I built that suit and dropped the Cardiac straight out and threw in the CPU, after other milita stuff wouldn't fit with the Laser. |
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