Wait... So it can 1 shot tanks on direct hit? Wtf that's crazy. and since it works on small missiles as well.. No wonder they can 1 shot heavies with splash.

Allright i found out the maths how damage mods actually work on this game and how the skillbooks have a effect on the turrets aswell.

Well now lets take a look at Ty "sweetcheeks" borg tank and his skills:

With all his skills (turret operation, large missile turret operation and marauder) he gets a bonus off 30% on his large missiles. Well thats not enough he also has 3 damage mods on his tank which give him each another 20%. He is using the AT-201 large missile turrets which do when all missile hit 1872 HP direct impact damage. Well now here begins the real joke that CCP came up with. The skills stack to the damage mods and by the way no stacking penalty at all. Well this wouldnt be such a big issue but the skills stack to each damage mod by itself. Lets do some math:

3X20% damage mods= 60%
60%+30%= 90% bonus in total?...... NOT!!!!!

The truth is with the system that we have at the moment he gets a whopping 337% from it how it is at the moment!!! How it works? I SHOW IT TO YOU ALL NOW HOW IT WORKS:

the skill bonus (30%) stacks with each damage mod (20%) so he gets 3 individual 50% damage mods. But here it skyrockets now. The 50% mods dont stack up to 150% no they multiply after each math operation. Example:
1872+50%= 2808
2808+50%= 4212
4212+50%= 6318

This is the system in the game at the moment. And it works with all kinda turrets. Now some 1 please tell me how you should be allowed to do that crazy amount of damage. This is even beyond the E3 build with the inbuild damage mod from the Sagaris/Surya. Now here comes the arms race. Who ever gets his hands first on a black ops HAV can put 4 damage mods on and with that he will be aible to do 9462 damage per volley. which is by far enough to 1 shot everything in his sight! Run for the hills, run into cover cause a obertial strike is a joke compared to that!!!

ambush, and even to this day I feel does NOT call for vehicles, especially if it is supposed to be the lite version of the game to bring in more casual players.

You think the casual will want to play a second time after getting stomped on a close quarters map by a tank?

+1 to you, Kazeno, but I have something to question:



Just had a match a little while ago where my team called 2 LAVs over the course of a very drawn-out, but very close, battle, while the other team called in 1 LAV, 2 Dropships and a Sagaris.

We lost by time limit with the clone count at 26-29.

3 kills decided the match. Took out their Dropship with a combination of Swarms (I did that) and Forge Gun fire. The Forge landed the killing blow as the Dropship was getting out of my reach. The Sagaris spent half the match pinned down in a corner where it couldn't afford to come out and attack because of all the AV firepower that would turn its way as soon as it moved, and their lone LAV also died to my Swarm Launcher (although its driver managed a well-timed bail, which was pretty impressive to watch).

My team had NOBODY coordinating, except that I dropped a couple of uplinks that helped people to control their spawn locations to some degree (and planted them near Supply Depots that had been dropped in). The other team had 2 premade squads who you could pick from the fact that there were 2 groups of 4 players from the same Corp.

Moral of the story: Vehicles don't always rule the map. Even HAVs in Ambush.

Would be curious to know wich team it was
Lose with 2 DS and 1 sagaris against full randoms ?

you did you forget to include stacking penalties of -10%? You should include stacking penalty, although not accumulative to max or current skills it's still a factor to account for.

Forges have a 70% bonus vs shields. Swarms, AV grenades, and explosives have a 30% bonus vs armor. I do not believe there is a penalty on the converse. Weak spots add an additional 50% damage (multiplicative).