DUST Search - Assault Riflers are ruining this game.

Vexen Krios wrote:

A logi with a shotgun? Shotguns are close range Assault Rifles are medium range but with the sharpshooter skill they have ridiculous range that much ill agree. And i'll also agree that some people sit there and wait for a dot to turn red. Personally im always moving from place to place. But if your going to complain about being killed by AR's....lets do this...buff the shotgun...nerf everything to the point of using foam bullets that make a laughing sound when the hit their mark. That way everyone has to switch to a shotgun to do anything at all. Then will you be happy? no. because then people will begin to learn how to use shotguns more effeciently and then will kill you in battle with the very weapon of your choice....get real.

Shotgunners have killed me many times because i couldnt back away fast enough. They just hop around till i run outta ammo and have to reload or switch weapons and then they sprint up and one shot me. If anything at all needs a nerf it is the shotguns...yes shotguns are powerful close range but against 390 shields and 320 armor? or even 212 shields 420 armor? or how about 456 shields and 212 armor? those are my fits...thats nearly 700hp that shotguns are knocking out in one shot. Snipers can only do that to me with a head shot...Dont change your play style...learn how to use your weapon.

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BAD FURRY Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 247	Posted - 2012.11.07 00:23:00 - [31] - Quote SingleTap wrote: 32 players in a match, and I counted 17 of them. Seriously. Something needs to be done. Not fun getting killed by an AR. CCP, please nerf them. They take no skill. It's point and click. You aim at somebody and shoot. How is skill involved? Also, please nerf everything else whiners complain about. Thank you. for the love of yiff.
Super Cargo Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 428	Posted - 2012.11.07 00:43:00 - [32] - Quote SingleTap wrote: 32 players in a match, and I counted 17 of them. Seriously. Something needs to be done. Not fun getting killed by an AR. CCP, please nerf them. They take no skill. It's point and click. You aim at somebody and shoot. How is skill involved? Also, please nerf everything else whiners complain about. Thank you. No. Why would you nerf a gun because it does what it is supposed to? An AR is effective at long/medium/short range. That's the way AR's are. SMGs, snipers, and heavy weapons fill a niche, and that shouldn't be changed. In every FPS, AR's are the weapon of choice. Why? because they are good. Only sh*tty games like CoD balance weapons so they are all equally viable in every situation. Welcome to the real world.
SingleTap Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 110	Posted - 2012.11.07 01:51:00 - [33] - Quote Novas Prime wrote: Assault rifles are the most widely used weapon the world over for a good reason. Because they are accurate and deadly. AR's don't need a nerf, you just need to get better. Use cover more wisely and pick your fights better, stop running through open ground and expecting not to get shot. Use cover more wisely? Why should I have to use cover at all? I enjoy being out in the open spaces and shooting from there. But the problem is, sometimes while I'm out in the open, AR's kill me. I play as a logi with a shotgun, and the AR's have way more range then me, so when I'm out in the open (which is often), I get killed because the AR guys can just sit back and fire without any consequences. My shotgun can't reach them, but their AR's can reach me. That shouldn't happen. It's very very unfair, which is why AR's are ruining the game. 17 out of 32 in that match with AR's. Counted. It's not even fun anymore. And don't tell me it takes skill, I've gone 12-0 with an AR against shotgun users. All you do is crouch, wait for dot to run red and fire. It's not even kitten funny anymore. In closing, I shouldn't have to change the way I play (running out in the open), and thus, the AR's should be nerfed. CCP, please listen to this. It's an incredibly valid argument.
Vexen Krios Doomheim 95	Posted - 2012.11.07 01:59:00 - [34] - Quote A logi with a shotgun? Shotguns are close range Assault Rifles are medium range but with the sharpshooter skill they have ridiculous range that much ill agree. And i'll also agree that some people sit there and wait for a dot to turn red. Personally im always moving from place to place. But if your going to complain about being killed by AR's....lets do this...buff the shotgun...nerf everything to the point of using foam bullets that make a laughing sound when the hit their mark. That way everyone has to switch to a shotgun to do anything at all. Then will you be happy? no. because then people will begin to learn how to use shotguns more effeciently and then will kill you in battle with the very weapon of your choice....get real. Shotgunners have killed me many times because i couldnt back away fast enough. They just hop around till i run outta ammo and have to reload or switch weapons and then they sprint up and one shot me. If anything at all needs a nerf it is the shotguns...yes shotguns are powerful close range but against 390 shields and 320 armor? or even 212 shields 420 armor? or how about 456 shields and 212 armor? those are my fits...thats nearly 700hp that shotguns are knocking out in one shot. Snipers can only do that to me with a head shot...Dont change your play style...learn how to use your weapon.
SingleTap Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 110	Posted - 2012.11.07 02:07:00 - [35] - Quote Vexen Krios wrote: A logi with a shotgun? Shotguns are close range Assault Rifles are medium range but with the sharpshooter skill they have ridiculous range that much ill agree. And i'll also agree that some people sit there and wait for a dot to turn red. Personally im always moving from place to place. But if your going to complain about being killed by AR's....lets do this...buff the shotgun...nerf everything to the point of using foam bullets that make a laughing sound when the hit their mark. That way everyone has to switch to a shotgun to do anything at all. Then will you be happy? no. because then people will begin to learn how to use shotguns more effeciently and then will kill you in battle with the very weapon of your choice....get real. Shotgunners have killed me many times because i couldnt back away fast enough. They just hop around till i run outta ammo and have to reload or switch weapons and then they sprint up and one shot me. If anything at all needs a nerf it is the shotguns...yes shotguns are powerful close range but against 390 shields and 320 armor? or even 212 shields 420 armor? or how about 456 shields and 212 armor? those are my fits...thats nearly 700hp that shotguns are knocking out in one shot. Snipers can only do that to me with a head shot...Dont change your play style...learn how to use your weapon. Interesting proposal. I'll think on it. But really, I shouldn't have to be forced to "learn" anything. The way I play is the way I play, and it's really annoying to get shot by an AR when you can't shoot back at them. They're OP, and need nerfed.
Vexen Krios Doomheim 95	Posted - 2012.11.07 02:10:00 - [36] - Quote lol do what you want bro, but im just saying once they nerf the assault rifles...itll be the snipers that get you next then the HMG's and everything else.
SingleTap Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 110	Posted - 2012.11.07 02:36:00 - [37] - Quote Vexen Krios wrote: lol do what you want bro, but im just saying once they nerf the assault rifles...itll be the snipers that get you next then the HMG's and everything else. Well, all I'm saying is that it's not fair. Or even fun anymore. Assault rifle users are OP. It's not even kitten funny anymore.
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 432	Posted - 2012.11.07 03:27:00 - [38] - Quote Vexen Krios wrote: lol do what you want bro, but im just saying once they nerf the assault rifles...itll be the snipers that get you next then the HMG's and everything else. Truth in these words....Right now my pet peeve was these two guys with laser rifles who always shot at the same person per target and killed you ridiculously fast.
DarkShadowFox Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 238	Posted - 2012.11.07 03:50:00 - [39] - Quote SingleTap wrote: ugg reset wrote: There is a difference beteweent ruining "the game" and YOUR game . Would I be wrong in saying that everyone on this forum thinks the game is their game? you just lost the game
SingleTap Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 110	Posted - 2012.11.07 04:01:00 - [40] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: I agree with OP, but I'd go even further. Almost all guns in this game are overpowered. If CCP really wanted this game to be about player skill and not play-to-win they'd get rid of this stupid "ranged weapon" business entirely. Swords are the only weapon that truely brings out player skill. Maybe there is a place for long range cannons or something, but they should take 2 or 3 minutes to reload so they don't become an "I win" button. Also, please please please can we get rid of those ridiculous "LAV" things and replace them with horses like they have in all the top tier games? Gyro gets it. You're taking it a little far, but yes, most of the guns are overpowered and should be nerfed. At least to some degree. Start with the AR, and work your way down the list. The whole point is, if I'm killed by it, it should be looked at. Maybe not completely taken out of the game, but looked at closely. And nerfed.

Timothy Reaper ZionTCD Legacy Rising 321	Posted - 2012.11.07 07:17:00 - [41] - Quote I'm tired of being killed by assault rifles, blaster turrets, dropships, forge guns, grenades, HAVs, HMGs, laser rifles, LAVs, mass drivers, melee, missile turrets, nova knives, precision strikes, proximity explosives, railgun turrets, remote explosives, scrambler pistols, shotguns, SMGs, sniper rifles and swarm launchers. People have been using these weapons to kill me far too often, therefore they must be over-powered. I propose that they all be removed. Instead, we can walk around pointing our fingers at each other and make 'pew-pew' noises with our mouths.
SingleTap Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 110	Posted - 2012.11.07 08:02:00 - [42] - Quote Timothy Reaper wrote: I'm tired of being killed by assault rifles, blaster turrets, dropships, forge guns, grenades, HAVs, HMGs, laser rifles, LAVs, mass drivers, melee, missile turrets, nova knives, precision strikes, proximity explosives, railgun turrets, remote explosives, scrambler pistols, shotguns, SMGs, sniper rifles and swarm launchers. People have been using these weapons to kill me far too often, therefore they must be over-powered. I propose that they all be removed. Instead, we can walk around pointing our fingers at each other and make 'pew-pew' noises with our mouths. I think that's taking things a bit far, but maybe just knives. Or SMG's. I haven't had a problem getting killed by them. CCP, please read this and make changes. People are responding to this thread, and are supporting it. Please listen to your player base. Obviously AR's are ruining the game. I mean, 17 people using them out of 32? Come on. You don't have to nerf them, but maybe make it so they don't work that well. At least so they won't kill me if I'm out in the open.
Cortez The Killer Immobile Infantry 190	Posted - 2012.11.07 08:43:00 - [43] - Quote Nah, don't nerf them, just limit the number of any class allowed in game. No more than one tank (if there are no dropships on the field), one sniper, one HMG, five ARs, and everyone else either a knife or some sword borrowed from WoW. EDIT: Let's not leave out the playerbase call for a crossbow. Maybe that's what snipers should have to carry.
tribal wyvern ZionTCD Legacy Rising 675	Posted - 2012.11.07 12:02:00 - [44] - Quote SingleTap wrote: 32 players in a match, and I counted 17 of them. Seriously. Something needs to be done. Not fun getting killed by an AR. CCP, please nerf them. They take no skill. It's point and click. You aim at somebody and shoot. How is skill involved? Also, please nerf everything else whiners complain about. Thank you. GTFO! Sniper rifles are OP, assault rifles are OP, tanks are OP, smg's are OP, dropships are OP, dropsuits are OP yada yada yada. Tell me, when is the last time anyone has ever personally used one of any of the above to make this OP claim valid?? Im getting sick of all this OP crap. The only thing in this world that's OP is Obama.
SingleTap Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 110	Posted - 2012.11.07 15:29:00 - [45] - Quote tribal wyvern wrote: SingleTap wrote: 32 players in a match, and I counted 17 of them. Seriously. Something needs to be done. Not fun getting killed by an AR. CCP, please nerf them. They take no skill. It's point and click. You aim at somebody and shoot. How is skill involved? Also, please nerf everything else whiners complain about. Thank you. GTFO! Sniper rifles are OP, assault rifles are OP, tanks are OP, smg's are OP, dropships are OP, dropsuits are OP yada yada yada. Tell me, when is the last time anyone has ever personally used one of any of the above to make this OP claim valid?? Im getting sick of all this OP crap. The only thing in this world that's OP is Obama. +1 Most weapons in the game are overpowered, I agree. But we can only work on one weapon at a time. Let's get the AR's nerfed, then move on to other weapons. Together, we can do this!
Vexen Krios Doomheim 95	Posted - 2012.11.07 18:43:00 - [46] - Quote i think he was insulting you...lol
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.11.07 20:00:00 - [47] - Quote Overlord Zero wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Joke thread is lol. And none too subtle about it. Surprised people are taking it seriously. Good times. Anyone who's actually struggling against ARs, use ANY other gun at your weapon's preferred range. Long-range sniping outmatches ARs. Short-range Shotguns and SMGs horribly outmatch ARs. I agree for all except your SMG comment. militia SMG looses to militia AR at any range, Proto SMG looses to Proto AR at any range. Same level close quarters weapons should top same level all range weapons when in optimal range. Well, firstly, "loose" is the opposite of tight, and you'll find that "lose" is the word you were looking for. But more importantly, and more relevantly, if I can get into my ideal range, I can damage race a higher-tier AR user with my SMG. Hide around the corner, and just open up into their face as they follow, they die first pretty consistently, even when I'm using Militia fits against someone using Standard or Advanced gear.
BMSTUBBYx Doomheim 83	Posted - 2012.11.07 20:17:00 - [48] - Quote MCC's are OP, clones with AR's keep re-spawning from them.
SaltyDark Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 11	Posted - 2012.11.07 20:32:00 - [49] - Quote LOL! Just read through this whole thread, and it's one of the funnier ones I've seen. A few people have caught on, but it's hilarious how the OP troll has kept the rest of you strung along, thinking he's being serious. Do you gullible ones not read other threads around the forum?
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 432	Posted - 2012.11.07 23:05:00 - [50] - Quote SaltyDark wrote: LOL! Just read through this whole thread, and it's one of the funnier ones I've seen. A few people have caught on, but it's hilarious how the OP troll has kept the rest of you strung along, thinking he's being serious. Do you gullible ones not read other threads around the forum? It could have gone longer....spoiler. But truth. +1 to Single Tap. golf claps

SingleTap Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 110	Posted - 2012.11.08 03:59:00 - [51] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: SaltyDark wrote: LOL! Just read through this whole thread, and it's one of the funnier ones I've seen. A few people have caught on, but it's hilarious how the OP troll has kept the rest of you strung along, thinking he's being serious. Do you gullible ones not read other threads around the forum? It could have gone longer....spoiler. But truth. +1 to Single Tap. golf claps Thank you, thank you. It was difficult to keep up, but I tried to make each post sound even more ridiculous. Kind of shocked so many people bought in. Obviously this was made to highlight all the nonsense on these forums, particularly the thread Salty referenced. I'm very appreciative to whoever made the "your game versus the game" comment. I couldn't agree more. The problem is, these forums are filled with people who think their game is the game, and that's absurd. The thread I was mocking about snipers is hilarious. I play as a heavy with one alt, an AR assault with the other. I hardly ever get killed by snipers, so it's a belly full of laughs to read that they're ruining the game. Of course, sniping isn't the only thing people cry about and want nerfed. It's just silly. And it's funny that tactics people offered here to avoid AR fire, like taking cover, are completely brushed aside when talking about other weapons. Other weapons are OP, but for the AR, you just need to play better and adapt (which I agree with- I just wish that kind of thinking was applied to everything else). Someone posted that we don't need to worry about CCP ruining the game- the beta testers will do it. Wiser words have never been spoken.
Stile451 Red Star. 76	Posted - 2012.11.08 06:37:00 - [52] - Quote I wonder if some of the people posting in this thread would notice a unicorn eating their child's face in the doorway to the room they're in - they obviously haven't read the sniper thread(or are just too stupid to put 2 and 2 together). Many +1s for trying to make a point which will likely never be realized by those it was directed at. Also, snipers aren't overpowered, idiots are just way too underpowered - but that's working as intended.
Scurvy Granger ZionTCD Legacy Rising 75	Posted - 2012.11.08 06:56:00 - [53] - Quote ANONYMOUS KILLERS wrote: Stupid thread with a stupid comment.. 1 to let you know asking ccp to nerf the ar's cuz they are as you say ''op'' is whinning. 2 Are you ********? 3 no ar's shouldnt be nerfed get off a mountain top upgrade your shields and get good. 4 dropships are op 5 goodbye hope you never post anything this stupid again. S T U P I D Sorry your excessive use of the word made me want to use it.
STB Vermaak Doe 558	Posted - 2012.11.08 07:00:00 - [54] - Quote Stile451 wrote: I wonder if some of the people posting in this thread would notice a unicorn eating their child's face in the doorway to the room they're in - they obviously haven't read the sniper thread(or are just too stupid to put 2 and 2 together). Many +1s for trying to make a point which will likely never be realized by those it was directed at. Also, snipers aren't overpowered, idiots are just way too underpowered - but that's working as intended. Coming from a redline sniper, that means ****
Scurvy Granger ZionTCD Legacy Rising 75	Posted - 2012.11.08 07:05:00 - [55] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: I agree with OP, but I'd go even further. Almost all guns in this game are overpowered. If CCP really wanted this game to be about player skill and not play-to-win they'd get rid of this stupid "ranged weapon" business entirely. Swords are the only weapon that truely brings out player skill. Maybe there is a place for long range cannons or something, but they should take 2 or 3 minutes to reload so they don't become an "I win" button. Also, please please please can we get rid of those ridiculous "LAV" things and replace them with horses like they have in all the top tier games? OMG this is what I was expecting when I first dled this game. Why are these weapons so powerful? We need to just start from scratch on this game and rebalance things one at a time. I agree with the OP on starting with the ARs, but honestly it's all horrible so lets just scrap everything and start over. But on a serious note, this thread was started because of all the crybabies on the forums talking about "reducing the damage on (insert weapon)" or "slowing the reload rate of (insert weapon)" and the only reason they give is that too many players use them... AR is most widely used, followed by sniper rifle so maybe CCP should buff EVERYTHING besides those two because people use them too much...stupid people are stupid and have stupid ideas and cry about stupid things...sorry ANONYMOUS KILLERS encouraged that sentence EDIT: Oh yea and many +1s for the spinning of posts from other crybaby threads for use in this one. Using their own words against them...priceless.
Stile451 Red Star. 76	Posted - 2012.11.08 07:29:00 - [56] - Quote STB Vermaak Doe wrote: Stile451 wrote: I wonder if some of the people posting in this thread would notice a unicorn eating their child's face in the doorway to the room they're in - they obviously haven't read the sniper thread(or are just too stupid to put 2 and 2 together). Many +1s for trying to make a point which will likely never be realized by those it was directed at. Also, snipers aren't overpowered, idiots are just way too underpowered - but that's working as intended. Coming from a redline sniper, that means **** The previous few builds I played mainly as Swarm AV / Sniper(not sure why people focus on the sniping as I was AV more often than sniper). This build I've been playing mainly as logistics and am now trying out behind enemy lines scouting / hacking. I've been dabbling in HMG and Forge gunning this build as well. I still take out the sniper rifle from time to time to counter snipe or cover an objective but it's fairly rare for me now(it's not as enjoyable as other roles).
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 385	Posted - 2012.11.08 07:35:00 - [57] - Quote Stile451 wrote: STB Vermaak Doe wrote: Stile451 wrote: I wonder if some of the people posting in this thread would notice a unicorn eating their child's face in the doorway to the room they're in - they obviously haven't read the sniper thread(or are just too stupid to put 2 and 2 together). Many +1s for trying to make a point which will likely never be realized by those it was directed at. Also, snipers aren't overpowered, idiots are just way too underpowered - but that's working as intended. Coming from a redline sniper, that means **** The previous few builds I played mainly as Swarm AV / Sniper(not sure why people focus on the sniping as I was AV more often than sniper). This build I've been playing mainly as logistics and am now trying out behind enemy lines scouting / hacking. I've been dabbling in HMG and Forge gunning this build as well. I still take out the sniper rifle from time to time to counter snipe or cover an objective but it's fairly rare for me now(it's not as enjoyable as other roles). I've seen you snipe before (not bad btw) so that is why i pointed that out
xMarauder Doomheim 139	Posted - 2012.11.08 08:26:00 - [58] - Quote Lol can't believe people responded seriously to this thread. Some People don't know what trolling is do they?
Timothy Reaper ZionTCD Legacy Rising 321	Posted - 2012.11.08 09:44:00 - [59] - Quote They have yet to skill into Constructive Troll Detection.
SingleTap Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 110	Posted - 2012.11.08 21:25:00 - [60] - Quote The amazing thing is that it probably could have gone on for another 10 pages had the wiser ones kept quiet.



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