DUST Search - EvE ISK Transfers 2.0?

Fivetimes Infinity wrote:

People not worrying about money would be a flaw in the game. The items we have right now will hopefully be considered sub-standard by the time actual corporate warfare rolls around. There should be items which cost extravagant amounts of ISK, and which are rare and valuable even if you're being bankrolled by a wealthy EVE establishment. There need to be capital-equivalents of weapons and dropsuits. So I don't see unlimited money as an inevitability. It's only what happens if something is done poorly on CCP's part.

Although... one thing I'm wondering is, what if in Dust the kept a single market and didn't break it down into regional markets like in EVE. And what if the ISK you earned doing Instant Battle games were related to the market price of items? Then, if you opened up the markets entirely and made everything player-created except for BPOs, items becoming much more expensive wouldn't necessarily make them prohibitive to non-EVE-connected players, as the items would similarly give people a bigger ISK bounty when they kill the person wearing them in a match.

I don't know. Economics isn't something I have any formal education in, but I have to wonder if making the ISK generated flexible and proportional to the cost of items on the (one, singular) market might not be a way to balance it all out.


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angelarch Algintal Core Gallente Federation 93	Posted - 2012.11.07 12:58:00 - [1] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: . . Is there that much ISK sleeping around that a vast majority of Dust players with EVE connections could get insta-rich ? Or are those EVE dudes kinda protective and dont intend to give money unless it earns them something back in exchange ? . . . I can at least answer that one for you beyond a shadow of a doubt: The answer is A, not B. :)
angelarch Algintal Core Gallente Federation 93	Posted - 2012.11.07 13:24:00 - [2] - Quote Fivetimes Infinity wrote: People not worrying about money would be a flaw in the game. The items we have right now will hopefully be considered sub-standard by the time actual corporate warfare rolls around. There should be items which cost extravagant amounts of ISK, and which are rare and valuable even if you're being bankrolled by a wealthy EVE establishment. There need to be capital-equivalents of weapons and dropsuits. So I don't see unlimited money as an inevitability. It's only what happens if something is done poorly on CCP's part. Although... one thing I'm wondering is, what if in Dust the kept a single market and didn't break it down into regional markets like in EVE. And what if the ISK you earned doing Instant Battle games were related to the market price of items? Then, if you opened up the markets entirely and made everything player-created except for BPOs, items becoming much more expensive wouldn't necessarily make them prohibitive to non-EVE-connected players, as the items would similarly give people a bigger ISK bounty when they kill the person wearing them in a match. I don't know. Economics isn't something I have any formal education in, but I have to wonder if making the ISK generated flexible and proportional to the cost of items on the (one, singular) market might not be a way to balance it all out. Agreed. It's that whole pain of losing things that makes the gameplay have meaning [like in eve]; and not like other games where you don't care about dying over and over and over. . . So far i think the only /real/ solution is the one you touched on-- to price items higher on the dust market and increase dust payouts so that those huge 'bounties' of eve isk are not so impressive anymore, and inline with eve gameplay. Dust players could then PVE to make as much isk per hour as an eve player-- fine right? The weird problem with this, is that a dust grenade might end up costing the same as an eve starship. . . which is a pretty strange immersion breaker, but it still might work the best for free open trade between both games. The not quite as good solution imo would be a huge tax on eve isk transfers to dust players to establish a balance between the two economies and keep prices in the two separate games the same as they are now. However i don't see how that could be implemented while having corps and corp-wallets simultaneously connected to eve and dust players. does the money just evaporate whenever a dusty receives corp isk, but eve players get the full isk? If a dust player contributes isk INTO the corp wallet, should it then be multiplied to a much greater amount to compensate? - That's another weird kind of immersion breaker, and further raises the question of why use ISK in dust in the fist place-- dust should have its own separate currency if you go that far. - If a gross inequity exists between isk-value in either economy then there will always be incentive and some kind of clever exploit to smuggle isk from one side to the other. I don't mind dust becoming the 'great isk sink' of eve online. I'd welcome it in fact. But it would be good to be able to join both economies without needing to invent a bizarre mechanic to hobble isk flow in any direction.
angelarch Algintal Core Gallente Federation 93	Posted - 2012.11.07 13:37:00 - [3] - Quote Mister Hunt wrote: . . . but letting some idiot go out and get blown up in Proto Suits match after match? Ya, no corp in their right mind would try to replace stuff that is designed to poof.. . .Having us blow ourselves up off of Eve provide suits was their idea. Too bad no corp in their right mind will fall for it. Ahhh, you are overlooking one thing though:) There are many one man corps in eve. With billions just sitting around, wanting to go poof on something. . . :) EDIT: I wouldn't disapprove mind you, New Eden is a harsh place after all. EDIT2: There is also a legacy in eve of corps doing exactly this with ships, upon the eve playerbase. There is not just a real-money value for isk, there is also a LOL value for isk. . . and that is priceless:)