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BAD FURRY
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2012.11.07 01:09:00 -
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jets will be a big jump forwared for this game as a ace combat fan i know my kind will start to flock to dust do to the fail put out by namco in the 2 last ace combat games .
2nd not only will me and other top guns of ace combat beta test the jets we and we will tell ccp what control set ups were looking for for the jets as any good FS player will tell you its the control setup that make or brake a FS game .... put it this way its not like the controls for a tank or a drop ship or even close to the set up of any 2D combat control set... you need a set up that lets you control the jet from each side of the controller . roll and pich should be on one stick and look or yaw should be on the other note NEVER PUT the accelerating and decelerating controls on the the sticks L3 or R3 .
this may seem like a good idea but this dims up dog fighting to who can fire 1st and who has more ammo. not only that but it takes a way skill from skilled players and if you played Snoopy flying aces you know it can all so over power the jet.
the best spot for the accelerate and decelerate is L1 and R1 the yaw can all so be added to L2 and R2 here,s a ace combat 5 control set up
\/for the ones who dont like links here\/
Left Analog Stick Up pitch down Left Analog Stick Down pitch up Left Analog Stick Left or Right roll left or right D-Pad Up wingmen orders - attack D-Pad Down wingmen orders - cover D-Pad Left wingmen orders - disperse D-Pad Right wingmen orders - special weapons Right Analog Stick move camera Start Button pause menu Select Button toggle missiles and special weapon Circle Button fire missiles, fire special weapon Circle Button (hold) track missile X Button machine gun Triangle Button change targets Triangle Button (hold) track target Square Button map Square Button (press down) magnify L1 Button throttle down L2 Button yaw left R1 Button throttle up R2 Button yaw right R3 Button change views
if this is not the same set up or if ccp do,s not let us custom are control set up to this then this will be one of the biggest flops in the game. ill still fly em but i know it be me and may be a small small hand full of others and that's just 3 yrs after the game go.s live who would want to use or even buy jets .
if you are asking why its because i am Cipher Callsign Galm 1 of the 66th Air Force Unit
HAHAHAHAHA ! |
crazy space
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2012.11.07 01:26:00 -
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Ranger SnakeBlood wrote:Honestly that video got me very interested in DUST and since then i forgot about it, its showed somuch potential on that engine but then they decided to go with the unreal engine hopefully they can mess around with it to deliver that scale of battle or maybe when it moves to PS4 it could be implemented with carbon . Yeah the map was a lot bigger. The mccs needed to move around. Artillery looked like it placed a role. Dust needs these things at some point. I was really hoping for a world of tanks style long range attack. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.11.07 02:24:00 -
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BAD FURRY wrote:jets will be a big jump forwared for this game as a ace combat fan i know my kind will start to flock to dust do to the fail put out by namco in the 2 last ace combat games . 2nd not only will me and other top guns of ace combat beta test the jets we and we will tell ccp what control set ups were looking for for the jets as any good FS player will tell you its the control setup that make or brake a FS game .... put it this way its not like the controls for a tank or a drop ship or even close to the set up of any 2D combat control set... you need a set up that lets you control the jet from each side of the controller . roll and pich should be on one stick and look or yaw should be on the other note NEVER PUT the accelerating and decelerating controls on the the sticks L3 or R3 . this may seem like a good idea but this dims up dog fighting to who can fire 1st and who has more ammo. not only that but it takes a way skill from skilled players and if you played Snoopy flying aces you know it can all so over power the jet. the best spot for the accelerate and decelerate is L1 and R1 the yaw can all so be added to L2 and R2 here,s a ace combat 5 control set up \/for the ones who dont like links here\/ Left Analog Stick Up pitch down Left Analog Stick Down pitch up Left Analog Stick Left or Right roll left or right D-Pad Up wingmen orders - attack D-Pad Down wingmen orders - cover D-Pad Left wingmen orders - disperse D-Pad Right wingmen orders - special weapons Right Analog Stick move camera Start Button pause menu Select Button toggle missiles and special weapon Circle Button fire missiles, fire special weapon Circle Button (hold) track missile X Button machine gun Triangle Button change targets Triangle Button (hold) track target Square Button map Square Button (press down) magnify L1 Button throttle down L2 Button yaw left R1 Button throttle up R2 Button yaw right R3 Button change views if this is not the same set up or if ccp do,s not let us custom are control set up to this then this will be one of the biggest flops in the game. ill still fly em but i know it be me and may be a small small hand full of others and that's just 3 yrs after the game go.s live who would want to use or even buy jets . if you are asking why its because i am Cipher Callsign Galm 1 of the 66th Air Force UnitHAHAHAHAHA !
I cannot believe that I am actually agreeing on anything with Bad Furry. |
Jariel Manton
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
210
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Posted - 2012.11.07 05:20:00 -
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BAD FURRY wrote:Jariel Manton wrote:Saw this for the first time tonight. Cant believe that its been 3 years since then. 4 more like it
O sorry my bad -_-
O btw totally an ace combat fan also. |
Kosen Driago
WarRavens
25
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Posted - 2012.11.07 08:35:00 -
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I'm sure they had a good reason to switch engines....I just wish they kept the original weapon designs. After seeing this though, I cant wait to see what the finished product of the current DUST514 will be like and all the additional content in the next update. |
Toric Hol
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.11.07 09:00:00 -
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I still want station and ship interiors, even if they are not player assets. |
CandleJack more rope
27
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Posted - 2012.11.07 21:14:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:BAD FURRY wrote:jets will be a big jump forwared for this game as a ace combat fan i know my kind will start to flock to dust do to the fail put out by namco in the 2 last ace combat games . 2nd not only will me and other top guns of ace combat beta test the jets we and we will tell ccp what control set ups were looking for for the jets as any good FS player will tell you its the control setup that make or brake a FS game .... put it this way its not like the controls for a tank or a drop ship or even close to the set up of any 2D combat control set... you need a set up that lets you control the jet from each side of the controller . roll and pich should be on one stick and look or yaw should be on the other note NEVER PUT the accelerating and decelerating controls on the the sticks L3 or R3 . this may seem like a good idea but this dims up dog fighting to who can fire 1st and who has more ammo. not only that but it takes a way skill from skilled players and if you played Snoopy flying aces you know it can all so over power the jet. the best spot for the accelerate and decelerate is L1 and R1 the yaw can all so be added to L2 and R2 here,s a ace combat 5 control set up \/for the ones who dont like links here\/ Left Analog Stick Up pitch down Left Analog Stick Down pitch up Left Analog Stick Left or Right roll left or right D-Pad Up wingmen orders - attack D-Pad Down wingmen orders - cover D-Pad Left wingmen orders - disperse D-Pad Right wingmen orders - special weapons Right Analog Stick move camera Start Button pause menu Select Button toggle missiles and special weapon Circle Button fire missiles, fire special weapon Circle Button (hold) track missile X Button machine gun Triangle Button change targets Triangle Button (hold) track target Square Button map Square Button (press down) magnify L1 Button throttle down L2 Button yaw left R1 Button throttle up R2 Button yaw right R3 Button change views if this is not the same set up or if ccp do,s not let us custom are control set up to this then this will be one of the biggest flops in the game. ill still fly em but i know it be me and may be a small small hand full of others and that's just 3 yrs after the game go.s live who would want to use or even buy jets . if you are asking why its because i am Cipher Callsign Galm 1 of the 66th Air Force UnitHAHAHAHAHA ! I cannot believe that I am actually agreeing on anything with Bad Furry.
as you may like to know i all so support raw skill FS games like Over G
Too: CCP DO NOT ADD **** COMBOW flying like hit down on the d pad to do a split S or upx2 on the d pad to do a Immelmann
Remember FS players Love skill and adding **** like combow flying takes a way skill from the game and can turn the jets into over power mass killers that cant be shoot down or dogged down ! Let the player have to work with what jet he is in and his owe skills at flying.
unlike a FPS as i said be for up top a FS takes relies 95% on the players own true skill at flying then the game it self . adding game support to one group of players can out rite kill the game for everyone else. like the Ace combat 7 game namco lost alot of its fan for ace combat game when hey added dogfight support to make lesser skilled players buy there game. in the end this drove a lot of its fan base away form buying it and still the new players that namco wanted dint want to play a FS ( because a FS is just like eve online its a group of gamers who want skill over fun ) this is why no madder what do add in support for flying jets your just going to mess the game up for you and the real players WHO ARE INTO FLYING JETS !
and ill say it one more time FS (flight simulator) are games in witch players raw FS skill should all ways fly the jet/plane . ALL WAYS NO SUPPORT WHAT SO EVER ! |
CandleJack more rope
27
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Posted - 2012.11.07 21:15:00 -
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BTW im bad furry |
Kamiya Musume
Suffer Inc.
63
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Posted - 2012.11.07 21:36:00 -
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CandleJack more rope wrote:BTW im bad furry
no one cares. |
Kamiya Musume
Suffer Inc.
63
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Posted - 2012.11.07 21:42:00 -
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...and the quickest way to get a ban is... ? |
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Nomed Deeps
The Exemplars
91
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Posted - 2012.11.07 21:46:00 -
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If they did implement jets, what would take them down? Definitely not swarm launchers as they barely catch dropships and jets would be a lot faster. If they made swarm launchers fast enough to catch jets, then dropships would become irrelevant as they would be constantly blown out of the sky. That's one reason I do not envy CCP because for every new piece of content, the content has to balance with everything else including a counter or else the overall gameplay would be broken. |
crazy space
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2012.11.08 00:04:00 -
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Nomed Deeps wrote:If they did implement jets, what would take them down? Definitely not swarm launchers as they barely catch dropships and jets would be a lot faster. If they made swarm launchers fast enough to catch jets, then dropships would become irrelevant as they would be constantly blown out of the sky. That's one reason I do not envy CCP because for every new piece of content, the content has to balance with everything else including a counter or else the overall gameplay would be broken. why not? it works in BF3.
Jets are terrible at killing guys on the ground, are you kidding me? |
CLONE 2774
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
83
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Posted - 2012.11.08 00:22:00 -
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Im more intrested in whether we will get oceranic combat.You know ships,submarines and stuff.Maybe they could release it as a third game in Eve and release it on PS3/PS4 and PC.That way both platforms get 2 games in Eve. PC:Eve online and Oceanic combat game PS3/PS4:Dust 514 and Oceanic combat game |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.11.08 00:31:00 -
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what happened to half of this stuff? |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.11.08 01:03:00 -
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Jarre Jardox wrote:From wat I understand this video was of a mock up game of how it might look and feel. Basically a prototype of an alpha. Kinda sad they didn't keep this tho I really like the AR and rocket launcher, and the lav with the giant epeen on the back is hilarious, I think the mcc and installations take the cake though If that is what the gameplay is meant to turn out like, this is going to be one hell of an amazing game |
EternalRMG
10
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Posted - 2012.11.08 01:26:00 -
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i thinks jet Fighter will be Great
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CandleJack more rope
27
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Posted - 2012.11.08 14:39:00 -
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yep and becuz of the jets will be so cool the **** blocking AR fags will start crying nerff like all ways sad. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.11.08 15:11:00 -
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Jets, if they show up, won't do so until more effective anti-air countermeasures exist.
Flak turrets or some equivalent weapon that's useful against high-mobility airborne enemies.
And it's entirely possible that jets in that form WON'T be part of the game, and that we'll only get a Gunship type vehicle with handling similar to Dropships. Taking into account many aspects of the current state of the game, I think that would be a better solution. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.11.08 20:50:00 -
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Nomed Deeps wrote:If they did implement jets, what would take them down? Definitely not swarm launchers as they barely catch dropships and jets would be a lot faster. If they made swarm launchers fast enough to catch jets, then dropships would become irrelevant as they would be constantly blown out of the sky. That's one reason I do not envy CCP because for every new piece of content, the content has to balance with everything else including a counter or else the overall gameplay would be broken.
The overall speed of the fighter jets might make them powerful against dropships and tanks, but their overall speed is also their Achilles heel. When they were introduced they were so fast that often they would zoom into the red zone. But that's not the biggest downside with their speed. They won't have any time to target infantry let alone figure out where every enemy merc is before they fly by too fast and zoom past their targets without hitting any of them. This is why they are seen as nothing more than straffing platforms meant to kill just dropships and tanks. They may be able to hover, but that will only leave them exposed as the jets are expected to have minimal armor and shields in favor of high-speed fly bys. |
CandleJack more rope
27
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Posted - 2012.11.08 22:10:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Nomed Deeps wrote:If they did implement jets, what would take them down? Definitely not swarm launchers as they barely catch dropships and jets would be a lot faster. If they made swarm launchers fast enough to catch jets, then dropships would become irrelevant as they would be constantly blown out of the sky. That's one reason I do not envy CCP because for every new piece of content, the content has to balance with everything else including a counter or else the overall gameplay would be broken. The overall speed of the fighter jets might make them powerful against dropships and tanks, but their overall speed is also their Achilles heel. When they were introduced they were so fast that often they would zoom into the red zone. But that's not the biggest downside with their speed. They won't have any time to target infantry let alone figure out where every enemy merc is before they fly by too fast and zoom past their targets without hitting any of them. This is why they are seen as nothing more than straffing platforms meant to kill just dropships and tanks. They may be able to hover, but that will only leave them exposed as the jets are expected to have minimal armor and shields in favor of high-speed fly bys. you must have never played ace combat and all you know is on BF and FLFL not every d3 battle fps game is going to have a small box for its jets not every game is going to make it hard to kill troops not every battle will have jets . |
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GM Unicorn
Game Masters C C P Alliance
320
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Posted - 2012.11.08 22:28:00 -
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Locked for cleanup and some investigation.
15. Impersonating another forum user, moderator, volunteer, administrator or CCP employee is strictly prohibited. You are expressly forbidden from impersonating anyone else, including those named above, on the forum or in the game, even in jest. This includes suggesting that CCP or volunteers will perform a task for you. |
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GM Unicorn
Game Masters C C P Alliance
320
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Posted - 2012.11.09 14:35:00 -
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Unlocked now. Please keep the thread clean, guys :) |
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Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.11.09 15:03:00 -
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CandleJack more rope wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Nomed Deeps wrote:If they did implement jets, what would take them down? Definitely not swarm launchers as they barely catch dropships and jets would be a lot faster. If they made swarm launchers fast enough to catch jets, then dropships would become irrelevant as they would be constantly blown out of the sky. That's one reason I do not envy CCP because for every new piece of content, the content has to balance with everything else including a counter or else the overall gameplay would be broken. The overall speed of the fighter jets might make them powerful against dropships and tanks, but their overall speed is also their Achilles heel. When they were introduced they were so fast that often they would zoom into the red zone. But that's not the biggest downside with their speed. They won't have any time to target infantry let alone figure out where every enemy merc is before they fly by too fast and zoom past their targets without hitting any of them. This is why they are seen as nothing more than straffing platforms meant to kill just dropships and tanks. They may be able to hover, but that will only leave them exposed as the jets are expected to have minimal armor and shields in favor of high-speed fly bys. you must have never played ace combat and all you know is on BF and FLFL not every d3 battle fps game is going to have a small box for its jets not every game is going to make it hard to kill troops not every battle will have jets .
Wait, what? I made no mention of BF or Ace Combat. I was talking about the fighter jets that were introduced during the early beta testing of Dust 514. What the **** are you on? |
Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation
172
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Posted - 2012.11.09 15:04:00 -
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CLONE 2774 wrote:Im more intrested in whether we will get oceranic combat.You know ships,submarines and stuff.Maybe they could release it as a third game in Eve and release it on PS3/PS4 and PC.That way both platforms get 2 games in Eve. PC:Eve online and Oceanic combat game PS3/PS4:Dust 514 and Oceanic combat game
+1 >.>
That would be extremely interesting if they allow for water vehicles somewhere in the future. Maybe small boats we can use to traverse water and get to another area? Lol. The fact that you can't swim also makes it interesting...You'd die from falling off immediately.
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Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.11.09 15:25:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:...Looked better back then >_> ...and it was built with CCP's own in-house engine, CARBON. My bet is that DUST on the PS4 will be written in CARBON, at which point DUST mercs and EVE pod pilots will be able to coexist in the same space. The first thing i'm gonna do is start a bar fight and break some wussy pilot heads ;)
Riffraff donGÇÖt frequent our wine bars and we do have a dress code so move along you ground pounding peasant. |
Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
208
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Posted - 2012.11.09 17:48:00 -
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crazy space wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED-YF-v7WCw&feature=player_detailpage#t=339s
I feel like not enough people have seen this.
also CCP when are we going to get water on the maps? I saw this a long time ago, but I've only just noticed it is a Part 1 ...
Here's the link to Part 2 ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvDKbiUnxTA |
crazy space
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2012.11.09 19:09:00 -
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Hey thanks for the clean up o/ |
crazy space
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2012.11.09 19:10:00 -
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Needless Sacermendor wrote:crazy space wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED-YF-v7WCw&feature=player_detailpage#t=339s
I feel like not enough people have seen this.
also CCP when are we going to get water on the maps? I saw this a long time ago, but I've only just noticed it is a Part 1 ... Here's the link to Part 2 ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvDKbiUnxTA
I really need to download that vid, up the gamma and re upload it... |
Liver142
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.11.11 07:22:00 -
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Hope they jets are less annoying and harder to control than Battlefield 3, ruins the game in my opinion. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.11.11 07:36:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:CandleJack more rope wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Nomed Deeps wrote:If they did implement jets, what would take them down? Definitely not swarm launchers as they barely catch dropships and jets would be a lot faster. If they made swarm launchers fast enough to catch jets, then dropships would become irrelevant as they would be constantly blown out of the sky. That's one reason I do not envy CCP because for every new piece of content, the content has to balance with everything else including a counter or else the overall gameplay would be broken. The overall speed of the fighter jets might make them powerful against dropships and tanks, but their overall speed is also their Achilles heel. When they were introduced they were so fast that often they would zoom into the red zone. But that's not the biggest downside with their speed. They won't have any time to target infantry let alone figure out where every enemy merc is before they fly by too fast and zoom past their targets without hitting any of them. This is why they are seen as nothing more than straffing platforms meant to kill just dropships and tanks. They may be able to hover, but that will only leave them exposed as the jets are expected to have minimal armor and shields in favor of high-speed fly bys. you must have never played ace combat and all you know is on BF and FLFL not every d3 battle fps game is going to have a small box for its jets not every game is going to make it hard to kill troops not every battle will have jets . Wait, what? I made no mention of BF or Ace Combat. I was talking about the fighter jets that were introduced during the early beta testing of Dust 514. What the **** are you on? I put up a thread about this a few weeks back with some idea that Grit_Breather and I came up with. The general idea is to allow "jet" aircraft to have free reign of the entire district instead of just a single battlefield. This means that everyone fighting for the same side as you can coordinate air support against the enemy, and possibly even engage EVE Figthers if they manage to pull off the Air Strike idea they talked about in the Future Vision trailer. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=374195#post374195 |
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