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Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.11.03 16:01:00 - [1] - Quote Hit detection is complete **** against the female model. I'd say 9/10 players are using it because they are harder to hit. Total bullshit. Keep females if you want, but make them the same damn size as us chaps.
Heavenly Daughter CrimeWave Syndicate 71	Posted - 2012.11.03 16:03:00 - [2] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: Hit detection is complete **** against the female model. I'd say 9/10 players are using it because they are harder to hit. Total bullshit. Keep females if you want, but make them the same damn size as us chaps. A silly question, are you going to stop using the exploits you know of, I doubt it lol.........
Villore Isu Algintal Core Gallente Federation 115	Posted - 2012.11.03 16:04:00 - [3] - Quote You are aware that the hit boxes are identical right?
Gridboss BetaMax. 185	Posted - 2012.11.03 16:05:00 - [4] - Quote Ummm... what? I'm pretty sure that every single time we asked about hit detection with the female suits, they said there would be absolutely no difference. It should already have exactly the same hit box as the male one.
Sev Alcatraz Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 185	Posted - 2012.11.03 16:06:00 - [5] - Quote the hitbox is the same size in the female model as in the male model, they literally only changed the design of the suit nothing else every other mechanic is the same. it's an optical illusion that the female is smaller which makes you shoot for a smaller area which you don't need to do.
Super Cargo Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 428	Posted - 2012.11.03 16:08:00 - [6] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: Hit detection is complete **** against the female model. I'd say 9/10 players are using it because they are harder to hit. Total bullshit. Keep females if you want, but make them the same damn size as us chaps. maybe it's because you are too busy staying at their virtual asses.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2012.11.03 16:37:00 - [7] - Quote Tony, I played with a female alt and I don't see any difference when I got shot at.
RolyatDerTeufel D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 1648	Posted - 2012.11.03 16:41:00 - [8] - Quote I've yet to see a difference.
Icy Tiger Universal Allies Inc. 1026	Posted - 2012.11.03 16:47:00 - [9] - Quote The one problem with them is how they look too much like a Scout suit, which throws me off. Then again, I usually win against a female suit in a 1v1 just because I think they're a scout and play aggressive.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.11.03 17:07:00 - [10] - Quote Yeah, no one makes Female models with different hitboxes anymore. Anyone here remember Starsiege: Tribes? It'd be just like that.

Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.11.03 17:14:00 - [11] - Quote So you are smaller model but have the same hitboxes? I VERY much don't believe it. It doesn't add up. I don't see how it's possible.
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2047	Posted - 2012.11.03 17:19:00 - [12] - Quote I never had a problem whether the suit was male or female.
Villore Isu Algintal Core Gallente Federation 115	Posted - 2012.11.03 17:19:00 - [13] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: So you are smaller model but have the same hitboxes? I VERY much don't believe it. It doesn't add up. I don't see how it's possible. Are you questioning the technical feasibility of it? Or do you think you're a better shot than the evidence suggests.
Ghost-33 ShootBreakStab 108	Posted - 2012.11.03 17:20:00 - [14] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: So you are smaller model but have the same hitboxes? I VERY much don't believe it. It doesn't add up. I don't see how it's possible. It's all in the coding you could actually have a heavy suit with the hitbox the size of a tank if they really wanted to. you'd be hitting the air all around the heavy and still damage him
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1155	Posted - 2012.11.03 17:24:00 - [15] - Quote actually, never noticed any real difference. Maybe will try it to have a real idea.
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2012.11.03 17:28:00 - [16] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: Hit detection is complete **** against the female model. I'd say 9/10 players are using it because they are harder to hit. Total bullshit. Keep females if you want, but make them the same damn size as us chaps. what's wrong can't hit a female suit?
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.11.03 17:28:00 - [17] - Quote Sorry I forgot CCP don't get anything wrong... The fact it's brought up so often, Lots of people struggle, most of my corp agree they're pretty dodgy means something is up with them. Remove them, or make them hilariously butch. Like the heavy.
Villore Isu Algintal Core Gallente Federation 115	Posted - 2012.11.03 17:30:00 - [18] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: Sorry I forgot CCP don't get anything wrong... The fact it's brought up so often, Lots of people struggle, most of my corp agree they're pretty dodgy means something is up with them. Remove them, or make them hilariously butch. Like the heavy. Observational bias, combined with the natural human instinct to blame anything but yourself when you mess up.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.11.03 17:30:00 - [19] - Quote xprotoman23 wrote: Tony Calif wrote: Hit detection is complete **** against the female model. I'd say 9/10 players are using it because they are harder to hit. Total bullshit. Keep females if you want, but make them the same damn size as us chaps. what's wrong can't hit a female suit? Pretty much. I don't fire unless I'm on target usually, and they're a smaller target even if their hitbox is the same.
des polo Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 22	Posted - 2012.11.03 17:31:00 - [20] - Quote What are you complaining about it took a whole squad to take you down when i last saw you in a match

Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.11.03 17:38:00 - [21] - Quote Or a single female suit... Maybe it's just a perception thing but smaller model means smaller target to me. I really don't think Dust can afford more imbalance.
IwillNameHim GEORGE Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 14	Posted - 2012.11.03 17:38:00 - [22] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: Hit detection is complete **** against the female model. I'd say 9/10 players are using it because they are harder to hit. Total bullshit. Keep females if you want, but make them the same damn size as us chaps. Quiet, you. I played as a female and I went 3-12. Im pretty sure the opposing mercs popped more than a few caps up may kitten without any problem -.-
Captain-Awesome Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 349	Posted - 2012.11.03 17:39:00 - [23] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: So you are smaller model but have the same hitboxes? I VERY much don't believe it. It doesn't add up. I don't see how it's possible. it's called character rigging, where the "model" is assigned to the skeletal frame (the actual object that the game sees). the "hitboxes" (points of the frame) are just scalable boxes that you don't see in game (but do see in the toolkit, whether it be 3D Max, Maya or a custom program). These hit boxes can be scaled per box. CCP has said they use the same size hit boxes, which means they have literally copy pasted the object to rig. So even though you see a slender framed female, what the game sees is a buff man.
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.11.03 17:40:00 - [24] - Quote Different character size usually means different hit boxes. In Tekken female characters don't have the same hit box of Kuma or Panda. Now if the hit boxes for female suits are bigger then the actual models then CCP messed it up because that would mean that female suits, despite their actual size, are as easy to hit as males which is physically IMPOSSIBLE Now what we need is hit boxes appropriate to body size. If female have the same hit boxes of males, as I said, it's simply wrong: it can't physically be that way. Female suits on the other hand can't be too thin/slim because that would make them harder to hit: balance wise that is wrong as well. In PalnetSide 2 female suits are different than male suits but are not harder to hit because they aren't much slimmer. In Dust 514 should be the same. If female suits have to remain slimmer and have smaller hit boxes then they should also have less HP to balance things BUT I don't know if this is the right course of action.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.11.03 17:41:00 - [25] - Quote I know awesome, but as I say, it's a perception thing. I agree with Templar (good to see you still here, give us a shout if you are looking for a corp).
Captain-Awesome Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 349	Posted - 2012.11.03 17:42:00 - [26] - Quote Templar Two wrote: In Tekken female characters don't have the same hit box of Kuma or Panda. Different character size usually means different hit boxes. Now if the hit boxes for female suits are bigger then thee models actually are then CCP messed it up because that would mean that female suits despite their actual size are as easy to hit as males which is physically WRONG. Now what we need is hit boxes appropriate to body size. If female have the same hit boxes of males it's simply wrong. Female suits on the other hand can't be too thin/slim because that would make them harder to hit.: balance wise that is wrong. In PalnetSide 2 female suits are different than male suits but are not harder to hit because they aren't that much slim. In Dust 514 should be the same. If female suits have to remain slimmer and have smaller hit boxes then they should also have less HP to balance things BUT i don't know if this is the right course of action. ccp has said it's just for visuals, no mechanics would be changed and I agree - if they start changing hit boxes, they need to mess with statistical dynamics which is so much more effort.
Captain-Awesome Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 349	Posted - 2012.11.03 17:44:00 - [27] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: I know awesome, but as I say, it's a perception thing. if anything it should improve your hits because you are now aiming at a more refined area of the hit box instead of (potentially) to the edges of it due to the larger model size. It may be perception only but that's as far as it goes. "shoot what you see" is annoying hen it comes to people hiding around corners. but it's still possible to hit them.
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.11.03 17:59:00 - [28] - Quote ^^^ A thinner character model can't have the same hit boxes of a bigger model. CCP can't mess with physics that much and expect to be a good thing. Female suits are significantly thinner, it's visibly so, and this is the root of the problem. What wee need female armors that are not thinner or slimmer jut for the sake of aesthetics. To identify a female suit from a male one I don't need it to be thinner/slimmer anyway; there is one very obvious way to make female armors still recognizable without making them thinner/slimmer and CCP could have gone that way.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 369	Posted - 2012.11.03 18:06:00 - [29] - Quote Tony, go play Uncharted 3. There's skeleton skins running around with the same hitboxes as everyone else, but since their "bodies" are so small, in your mind you think their hitboxes are much smaller as well. There's also doughnut skins running around with the same hitboxes, but it seems like they have larger hitboxes. Sometimes you might hit their body but not their hitbox.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 886	Posted - 2012.11.03 18:07:00 - [30] - Quote Super Cargo wrote: Tony Calif wrote: Hit detection is complete **** against the female model. I'd say 9/10 players are using it because they are harder to hit. Total bullshit. Keep females if you want, but make them the same damn size as us chaps. maybe it's because you are too busy staying at their virtual asses. Made me laugh +



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