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ertert1
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
48
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Posted - 2012.10.26 11:17:00 -
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So I got a few solid hours of play in tonight and went lone wolf for the most part. Playing with randoms made me realize that unless your part of a corp its a HUGE disadvantage. (Normally I squad up with corp mates or other apac people)
While I held my own against the waves of southern legion troops (had fun shooting you southern legion boys it was uhhh challenging to say the least...). l was going black ops and capping the back CRU's and objectives having a ball but I don't think the rest of the randoms on my team were having fun.
I enjoy fighting skilled players (and dying a lot) but I can't help but feel sorry for the randoms that go 1/10 in a round. I mean if we keep this up will it push the more casual player away? What is going to happen to our player base if the randoms all end up rage quitting?
I dont know the answer but I'm just worried that there will be no cannon fodder for when I want to settle down for a night of shooting people in the face.... |
Pranekt Tyrvoth
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
177
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Posted - 2012.10.26 11:20:00 -
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Yes. |
ertert1
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
48
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Posted - 2012.10.26 11:22:00 -
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Pranekt Tyrvoth wrote:Yes.
Uhh... Yes indeed! |
VK deathslaer
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
149
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Posted - 2012.10.26 11:22:00 -
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ertert1 wrote:So I got a few solid hours of play in tonight and went lone wolf for the most part. Playing with randoms made me realize that unless your part of a corp its a HUGE disadvantage. (Normally I squad up with corp mates or other apac people)
While I held my own against the waves of southern legion troops (had fun shooting you southern legion boys it was uhhh challenging to say the least...). l was going black ops and capping the back CRU's and objectives having a ball but I don't think the rest of the randoms on my team were having fun.
I enjoy fighting skilled players (and dying a lot) but I can't help but feel sorry for the randoms that go 1/10 in a round. I mean if we keep this up will it push the more casual player away? What is going to happen to our player base if the randoms all end up rage quitting?
I dont know the answer but I'm just worried that there will be no cannon fodder for when I want to settle down for a night of shooting people in the face....
We can't stop them from rage quitting. dumbing down the game to make it more accessible is counterproductive. Games should have challenges if not then what is the point to play? |
Miss Practice
30
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Posted - 2012.10.26 11:24:00 -
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VK deathslaer wrote:ertert1 wrote:So I got a few solid hours of play in tonight and went lone wolf for the most part. Playing with randoms made me realize that unless your part of a corp its a HUGE disadvantage. (Normally I squad up with corp mates or other apac people)
While I held my own against the waves of southern legion troops (had fun shooting you southern legion boys it was uhhh challenging to say the least...). l was going black ops and capping the back CRU's and objectives having a ball but I don't think the rest of the randoms on my team were having fun.
I enjoy fighting skilled players (and dying a lot) but I can't help but feel sorry for the randoms that go 1/10 in a round. I mean if we keep this up will it push the more casual player away? What is going to happen to our player base if the randoms all end up rage quitting?
I dont know the answer but I'm just worried that there will be no cannon fodder for when I want to settle down for a night of shooting people in the face.... We can't stop them from rage quitting. dumbing down the game to make it more accessible is counterproductive. Games should have challenges if not then what is the point to play?
The challenge will be incentivizing corps to play against other corps, and then leave the pubs for the noobs. |
Tectonious Falcon
The Southern Legion
395
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Posted - 2012.10.26 11:25:00 -
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ertert1 wrote:So I got a few solid hours of play in tonight and went lone wolf for the most part. Playing with randoms made me realize that unless your part of a corp its a HUGE disadvantage. (Normally I squad up with corp mates or other apac people)
While I held my own against the waves of southern legion troops (had fun shooting you southern legion boys it was uhhh challenging to say the least...). l was going black ops and capping the back CRU's and objectives having a ball but I don't think the rest of the randoms on my team were having fun.
I enjoy fighting skilled players (and dying a lot) but I can't help but feel sorry for the randoms that go 1/10 in a round. I mean if we keep this up will it push the more casual player away? What is going to happen to our player base if the randoms all end up rage quitting?
I dont know the answer but I'm just worried that there will be no cannon fodder for when I want to settle down for a night of shooting people in the face....
Haha yeah felt sorry for you tonight. You mostly got teams of randoms that didn't help you much :/
Glad to hear you still had fun!
Anyway I'm hoping once they add in low sec and null sec most casual players will hang out in high sec while the dedicated corps will be elsewhere. |
ertert1
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
48
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Posted - 2012.10.26 11:32:00 -
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huh I forgot about that! Welllll.... looks like we should just enjoy killing randoms while it lasts! |
Leovarian L Lavitz
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
278
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Posted - 2012.10.26 11:35:00 -
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went 14/2 running solo and managed to get a kill on Alex Zx, my arch enemy finally after all this time weeeee, but he got me back >.<
Boy, they reeeeaaaallly wanted that supply depot o.o |
Timothy Reaper
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
321
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Posted - 2012.10.26 11:38:00 -
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It's one of the hazards of a team based game. Especially when a lot of randoms do not have their microphones on for one reason or another (can't really blame them if the only other person with a mic is eating chips and refuses to say anything). |
Kleanur Guy
SyNergy Gaming
154
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Posted - 2012.10.26 11:38:00 -
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A quick match system where players are pitted against others of equal skill should be present on release. CCP are forcing us to play quick match and gather information. It can't be implemented atm because of the lack of player numbers. |
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Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.10.26 11:39:00 -
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IMHO, matchmaking is not working very well at all. We got put in a game, full squad vs 1 dude. Someone joined the game... On our team!!?!? I mean, we decided to only use melee... But quite honestly I don't think the match making works.
Also it's the nature of large team based games unfortunately. I do think CCP will incentivise getting into a corp, even a newbie corp early on. If they don't (like MAG didn't) then there will be much rage quit. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.10.26 11:40:00 -
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Kleanur Guy wrote:A quick match system where players are pitted against others of equal skill should be present on release. CCP are forcing us to play quick match and gather information. It can't be implemented atm because of the lack of player numbers.
Quick match with zero grouping. That'd be a 100% foolproof. I like it. |
Kleanur Guy
SyNergy Gaming
154
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Posted - 2012.10.26 11:43:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Kleanur Guy wrote:A quick match system where players are pitted against others of equal skill should be present on release. CCP are forcing us to play quick match and gather information. It can't be implemented atm because of the lack of player numbers. Quick match with zero grouping. That'd be a 100% foolproof. I like it.
We are able to group with the current quickmatch system? |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.10.26 11:47:00 -
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Hit n miss
I still choose to solo quite alot tbh and im always in games against 4man groups on both sides or just on 1 side but i have been in games where the randoms beat the 4man groups |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.10.26 12:03:00 -
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Kleanur Guy wrote:Tony Calif wrote:Kleanur Guy wrote:A quick match system where players are pitted against others of equal skill should be present on release. CCP are forcing us to play quick match and gather information. It can't be implemented atm because of the lack of player numbers. Quick match with zero grouping. That'd be a 100% foolproof. I like it. We are able to group with the current quickmatch system?
Yup, but CoD for example has TDM and Mercenary TDM. No groups in mercenary. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2283
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Posted - 2012.10.26 12:21:00 -
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Once FW is fully implemented and proper rewards are given out to corps who play FW primarily i think it wont be so bad OP
I for one wont drop more than a squad of SyN into 1 game because personally i find teamstackin is hella boring but i see ALOT of peeps do it.
There is nothing challenging or fun imo being apart of a zerg teamstack and runnin over unorganised randoms
If ppl want to play with their full teams i hope CCP makes FW a good incentive for corps to be able to just do that primarily when they have the numbers on. |
ertert1
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
48
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Posted - 2012.10.26 12:21:00 -
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OK hear me out people. Maybe if a a team is full of randoms them a computer A.I will set dynamic attack and defend orders based on the battlefield situation as needed. That way the randoms get to fight in a more coherent force and have more fun AND the corps get a more challenging training run.
It would be kinda like a test of tactics for the corps to beat the A.I. Thoughts? |
ertert1
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
48
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Posted - 2012.10.26 12:23:00 -
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I mean I totally get the problems with large team based games I just dont want the dust player base to die off... |
Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
479
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Posted - 2012.10.26 12:38:00 -
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Yeah its crap personally i like to log on and join a battle shoot people, but these days its squad up or die, the casual player is screwed.
This is one of the reasons SOA members won't be staying on with the legion once the tournament is over, who would we play outside of corp battles?
Being apart of this large coalition and completely crushing randoms has sapped the joy out of the game for me, its not the fault of the large group but the battle finder that stupidly allocates squads in random games, I've seen it go from 1 corp squad of 4 people vs 5 randoms to two corp squads vs 5 and the rest is history. |
BASSMEANT
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
109
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Posted - 2012.10.26 12:47:00 -
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i don't understand the problem here?
op seems to have stated a situation and the cause all in one breath and then doesn't know what to do about it?
you do nothing.
this is the environment in which you are playing.
you are also playing in high sec.
most clans won't hang out there. the money won't be worth it.
a lotta clans won't be able to hang in null because they really aren't real clans, just casuals wearing the same clan tag to fake being a clan.
casuals in groups will never be as good or better then a clan, unless again, you are talking about a casual "clan".
then you might have an even match.
but this is the way it is:
some folks will be better, others will be worse.
that's just life.
you can't blame the game for it. the game in its current form is super ez mode.
nerfing it to make it easier? pffff... just slap a mag 2.0 nametag on it and be done.
join a clan or not but don't complain because clans are playing like clans.
Peace
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Adeptus Ezekiel
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2012.10.26 12:50:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:Yeah its crap personally i like to log on and join a battle shoot people, but these days its squad up or die, the casual player is screwed.
This is one of the reasons SOA members won't be staying on with the legion once the tournament is over, who would we play outside of corp battles?
Being apart of this large coalition and completely crushing randoms has sapped the joy out of the game for me, its not the fault of the large group but the battle finder that stupidly allocates squads in random games, I've seen it go from 1 corp squad of 4 people vs 5 randoms to two corp squads vs 5 and the rest is history.
Agreed. I have been on the other side of 'us' as a solo player, and its an ugly experience. I feel sorry for the randoms caught up in it.
I enjoy being part of a team that is capturing objectives and dominating the enemy, but at this stage of the game with limited play styles I can see it being detrimental.
Edit: Beld, once beta is over and the game releases, there will be numerous enemies to shoot at. 'Southern Legion' tends to dominate the maps at present in our little node, but when put onto the EVE servers proper that would be unlikely to be a problem. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.10.26 12:59:00 -
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simple solution:
add a mercenary playlist like on COD. No Corps/Clans/Squads. Simple sayd a playlist that you can enter solo without a squad up. And ive never trust randoms on public matches cause they are all uncapable to do something good. here and there you find a guy reviving his team but thats it. |
Pranekt Tyrvoth
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
177
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Posted - 2012.10.26 13:02:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:simple solution:
add a mercenary playlist like on COD. No Corps/Clans/Squads. Simple sayd a playlist that you can enter solo without a squad up. And ive never trust randoms on public matches cause they are all uncapable to do something good. here and there you find a guy reviving his team but thats it.
What he said. Randoms are about as useful as two left feet most of the time. |
STABBEY
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.10.26 13:02:00 -
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Honestly I'm southern legion and even in a full squad we have been having issues with RANDOMS on our own team doing absolutely nothing. Either there's 4-6 RANDOMS at 1 objective and 1 enemy ttakes it while they watch or every firefight I'm in they just stare at me while I fight half the enemy team. If they used there brains once in awhile it would help. The worst is when 8-10 RANDOMS pull out snipers and I'm the only man trying to take objectives. Or I watched 3 snipers shoot at a tank the whole match. If they used there frigging heads or turned voice on in team chat it would help. |
Visari Trekhan
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.10.26 13:22:00 -
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I myself am a totally casual player who is still just learning my way around in the actual mechanics of the game and the logistical aspects as well. I have noticed this gigantic discrepancy. I really don't care about my ratio at all, but as the first post mentioned, no one as fun going 1/10 or 3/14 all the time. |
Sergeant Wiznowski
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
38
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Posted - 2012.10.26 13:43:00 -
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How do you stop being random (in other titles)? You start to play in a squad and after good game you send a friend request via PSN. Then you can see who is playing what and join them or just join the game on different side. Usually easy peasy.
In Dust we will have only local chat and different websites. Those who usually squad up will look up some corps. More casual players might/will have a problem with this concept.
I really think that CCP should reconsider their decison about VOIP being off by default. That might save some precious bandwith but leaves randoms with limited chances to learn.
Matchmaking might let them play against similary skilled players but like in every other title Teamwork is OP and they will be squished until they learn to group up. Thats the Circle of Life. |
Jason Sera
DUST University
Ivy League
18
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Posted - 2012.10.26 13:50:00 -
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I am one of those randoms for now. I'll join a corp down the road, probably....maybe after release. The fact is, if the game is good, then the casual randoms will stick around. So, as long as the gameplay can match or beat that of the other shooters of the moment, then all will be fine! I'll see you around, don't you worry....I'll be your cannon fodder.... |
meri jin
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.10.26 14:34:00 -
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VK deathslaer wrote:ertert1 wrote:So I got a few solid hours of play in tonight and went lone wolf for the most part. Playing with randoms made me realize that unless your part of a corp its a HUGE disadvantage. (Normally I squad up with corp mates or other apac people)
While I held my own against the waves of southern legion troops (had fun shooting you southern legion boys it was uhhh challenging to say the least...). l was going black ops and capping the back CRU's and objectives having a ball but I don't think the rest of the randoms on my team were having fun.
I enjoy fighting skilled players (and dying a lot) but I can't help but feel sorry for the randoms that go 1/10 in a round. I mean if we keep this up will it push the more casual player away? What is going to happen to our player base if the randoms all end up rage quitting?
I dont know the answer but I'm just worried that there will be no cannon fodder for when I want to settle down for a night of shooting people in the face.... We can't stop them from rage quitting. dumbing down the game to make it more accessible is counterproductive. Games should have challenges if not then what is the point to play?
how about enjoying, relaxing, having fun without pressure? |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
401
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Posted - 2012.10.26 19:58:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:Hit n miss
I still choose to solo quite alot tbh and im always in games against 4man groups on both sides or just on 1 side but i have been in games where the randoms beat the 4man groups
It depends on the definition of winning.
Yes its nice to see the victory screen when my entire team is randoms and most are going 0 and 10 but then its not so nice to go 2 and 15 trying to kill tanks and protecting the captured objectives as the tanks pad the J/KDR.
But what is NEEDED is an actual noob area.
It can be locked to those whose SP is above a certain limit or whose KDR surpases that limit.
Hopefully PvE will let noobs skill up in areas other than direct PvP combat.
Hopefully there will be dedicated areas where noobs can go hunt components from drones/wildlife to then create weapon/vehicle components to sell on the Market.
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Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.10.26 20:03:00 -
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I used to seriously suck at shooters, I got alot better.. by getting my ass stomped repeatedly over and over |
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