DUST Search - CCP already violated their rules for tourny

Scurvy Granger wrote:

Mister Hunt wrote:

Scurvy Granger wrote:

Jariel Manton wrote:

Its pretty easy to not care when your on that side of the fence eh? Don't be that guy. I'd say its completely fair to be requesting an explanation as well as to be upset, people have put a lot of time and thought into preparing for this tournament.

Honestly it has less to do with which side of the fence I'm on as my military background that tells me that's the way it is and get over it. Not trying to be rude on here just stating why he is on the forums, everyone knows he's just trying to get CCP to change their mind by building support on these forums.

If CCP does change their mind and mix everything up from what it is that will say more about CCP than if they just tell him and his corp to get over it and try next time. They are the devs and it's their decision to make, so let THEM make it.

I'm curious as to how your military background has anything to do with this, just as mine does not either. As far as to why I'm on the forums, you are right. I want the decision changed. I will say this though, I won't be in the tourny regardless of their decision. I have to work on the weekends, so already knew that I wouldn't be participating. I care because there is a $10,000 Eve tournament coming up and would hate to see them swoop in at last minute and feel they could change the rules at last minute there too and still have any sort of credibility left.

In the military, when you're told to do something you just do it. Also I'll say again if that is your concern then take it up with CCP instead of posting up on the forums about how unfair it is to you and your corp. All you're doing there is trying to stir something up against CCP and there's really no point in that.

Don't know what branch you were in but in the Marines you are taught professionalism, and your post here is not professional.

Also the EVE tourney is completely seperate from this issue, Dust is still in beta and CCP's Dust team is trying to develop the game as well as come up with interesting things to keep the testers interested. On the EVE side they probably have a seperate team that is in place for events and ideas, so trying to relate the 2 really has no point either.

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Mister Hunt Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 230	Posted - 2012.10.24 15:29:00 - [1] - Quote The "official" rules Rules Here is a link to the violation Official CCP Post The problem comes in where they state that it is the first 16 teams. Then they make another post about them being full on the NA spots, including the reserve slots, and them needing more EU teams. Tritan Industries had already sent in their entry, now they aren't on the list because CCP changed the rules after the fact? edit Basically I am asking what is the rule? What is in the sticky and on the actual website? Or a post that is buried back on page 3?
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.10.24 15:31:00 - [2] - Quote They may say 1st 16 which is then 1st 8 for each region and if trittion isnt in the 1st 8 for the region then they aint in
Mister Hunt Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 230	Posted - 2012.10.24 15:36:00 - [3] - Quote The rules STILL state first 16. No where in there does it say ANYTHING about regions. They changed the rules after the fact.
DEADPOOL5241 Doomheim 212	Posted - 2012.10.24 15:37:00 - [4] - Quote Mister Hunt wrote: The rules STILL state first 16. No where in there does it say ANYTHING about regions. They changed the rules after the fact. Now this is true, first post had first 16 not 8 per region. And I quote" The first 16 CEOs that submit a valid application will be seeded into four groups of four corps each, eligible to participate in the Corporation Skirmish Tournament" Where does it say the first 8 NA and the first 8 EU get the slots? It doesn't make sense to change rules a day before you announce the teams. CCP = Fail
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.10.24 15:40:00 - [5] - Quote Mister Hunt wrote: The rules STILL state first 16. No where in there does it say ANYTHING about regions. They changed the rules after the fact. You sound a little butthurt you didn't get in..
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.10.24 15:43:00 - [6] - Quote You could say 1st 16 still counts So the EU clans in the EU region end up playing against US clans then lag becomes the major scapegoat with clans crying that they didnt get a fair game because they on EU servers
Jariel Manton SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 210	Posted - 2012.10.24 15:44:00 - [7] - Quote To be honest i just want to know why the corps that didnt make it, didnt make it. A simple "we are sorry but all the slots for the tournament have been filled" Or "Your application was not in the proper format please change x and y and resubmit your application" Something as simple as that would have solved a lot.
Mister Hunt Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 230	Posted - 2012.10.24 15:44:00 - [8] - Quote Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: Mister Hunt wrote: The rules STILL state first 16. No where in there does it say ANYTHING about regions. They changed the rules after the fact. You sound a little butthurt you didn't get in.. So what if I am? I know for a FACT that our app was sent in before the call for more EU teams was placed. Why is this hard for you to understand? Several teams (the post in question mentioned several on standby) were removed from contention in clear violation of the stated rules. This undermines the credibility of CCP for running a fair tournament, and with a $10,000 tournament on Eve getting ready to happen, their credibility matters immensely.
Caeli SineDeo Imperfects Negative-Feedback 294	Posted - 2012.10.24 15:45:00 - [9] - Quote CCP does hold the rights to alter there rules at any time. But now why they did this. Well because when your dealing with 2 different regions of the world Lag becomes a factor. When US players play on EU server they deal with lots of lag. And when EU players play on US they have lots of lag. So easiest way to do the tournament is to put EU players on one side of the tourny while US are on there own side. This way no team can say we loss because you made us play on the other sides server. I think it was planned all along they just forgot to mention it in the forum post. Because they do talk about finals taking place on both EU and US server. Therefor giving each team equal oportunity in there region.
Sake Monster Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 353	Posted - 2012.10.24 15:51:00 - [10] - Quote I'm upset about it too Hunt, but what can you do? There will be plenty tournaments to come, we will get in the next one. For now, Tritan will be posting cheap corp battle contracts so those that got in can do some training. So be looking for those contacts and good luck to those in the tourney.

Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.10.24 15:51:00 - [11] - Quote Mister Hunt wrote: Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: Mister Hunt wrote: The rules STILL state first 16. No where in there does it say ANYTHING about regions. They changed the rules after the fact. You sound a little butthurt you didn't get in.. So what if I am? I know for a FACT that our app was sent in before the call for more EU teams was placed. Why is this hard for you to understand? Several teams (the post in question mentioned several on standby) were removed from contention in clear violation of the stated rules. This undermines the credibility of CCP for running a fair tournament, and with a $10,000 tournament on Eve getting ready to happen, their credibility matters immensely. You need to get out the house more, it's just a game. Mashing your keyboard in rage will not change a single thing other than making you look silly and allowing me to laugh at you.
Max Tyrrell Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 47	Posted - 2012.10.24 15:58:00 - [12] - Quote Asking for new apps after ours had gone in is not cool. It leaves a lot of confusion about the corp selection process.
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 899	Posted - 2012.10.24 16:02:00 - [13] - Quote The key thing is this "As such if you are an EU corp or at least a non NA corp who are willing to play on an EU battle server then please send your applications to [email protected] titled DUST 514 CST ENTRY." I think this was CCP saying, "Hey, any US teams that want to make sure they have a spot update your app to say that you are willing to fight on EU side. We don't want people complaining of lag once they are on EU servers though." Did Tritan Industries update their app to say they were willing to take EU slots?
Scurvy Granger ZionTCD Legacy Rising 75	Posted - 2012.10.24 16:09:00 - [14] - Quote Mister Hunt wrote: The "official" rules Rules Here is a link to the violation Official CCP Post The problem comes in where they state that it is the first 16 teams. Then they make another post about them being full on the NA spots, including the reserve slots, and them needing more EU teams. Tritan Industries had already sent in their entry, now they aren't on the list because CCP changed the rules after the fact? Honestly you are only on the forums QQing about it in the hopes of CCP amending their decision, but wouldn't that be going against their rules also, and wouldn't that in turn allow for any corps that get removed because of it to also QQ about getting dropkicked out because of this. Get over it and try and enjoy the game. This does not say anything about CCP's credibility just about your poor ability to receive bad news. I'm sorry you and your corp didn't get in, try again for the next tournament.
Jariel Manton SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 210	Posted - 2012.10.24 16:19:00 - [15] - Quote Scurvy Granger wrote: Mister Hunt wrote: The "official" rules Rules Here is a link to the violation Official CCP Post The problem comes in where they state that it is the first 16 teams. Then they make another post about them being full on the NA spots, including the reserve slots, and them needing more EU teams. Tritan Industries had already sent in their entry, now they aren't on the list because CCP changed the rules after the fact? Honestly you are only on the forums QQing about it in the hopes of CCP amending their decision, but wouldn't that be going against their rules also, and wouldn't that in turn allow for any corps that get removed because of it to also QQ about getting dropkicked out because of this. Get over it and try and enjoy the game. This does not say anything about CCP's credibility just about your poor ability to receive bad news. I'm sorry you and your corp didn't get in, try again for the next tournament. Its pretty easy to not care when your on that side of the fence eh? Don't be that guy. I'd say its completely fair to be requesting an explanation as well as to be upset, people have put a lot of time and thought into preparing for this tournament.
Mister Hunt Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 230	Posted - 2012.10.24 16:22:00 - [16] - Quote Scurvy Granger wrote: Mister Hunt wrote: The "official" rules Rules Here is a link to the violation Official CCP Post The problem comes in where they state that it is the first 16 teams. Then they make another post about them being full on the NA spots, including the reserve slots, and them needing more EU teams. Tritan Industries had already sent in their entry, now they aren't on the list because CCP changed the rules after the fact? Honestly you are only on the forums QQing about it in the hopes of CCP amending their decision, but wouldn't that be going against their rules also, and wouldn't that in turn allow for any corps that get removed because of it to also QQ about getting dropkicked out because of this. Get over it and try and enjoy the game. This does not say anything about CCP's credibility just about your poor ability to receive bad news. I'm sorry you and your corp didn't get in, try again for the next tournament. I am not asking them to amend their rules. I am asking that they go by the official rules and look at the timestamps on the submitted emails. First 16 get in. If Tritan or STB weren't first 16, fine by me. But them going back later and making a non-sticky that gets booted off first page because it can't be bumped calling for people to resubmit their apps because they decided to change the rules is pretty stupid. And $10,000 tournament coming up SHOULD make them worry a lot about how they look.
Scurvy Granger ZionTCD Legacy Rising 75	Posted - 2012.10.24 16:24:00 - [17] - Quote Jariel Manton wrote: Its pretty easy to not care when your on that side of the fence eh? Don't be that guy. I'd say its completely fair to be requesting an explanation as well as to be upset, people have put a lot of time and thought into preparing for this tournament. Honestly it has less to do with which side of the fence I'm on as my military background that tells me that's the way it is and get over it. Not trying to be rude on here just stating why he is on the forums, everyone knows he's just trying to get CCP to change their mind by building support on these forums. If CCP does change their mind and mix everything up from what it is that will say more about CCP than if they just tell him and his corp to get over it and try next time. They are the devs and it's their decision to make, so let THEM make it. EDIT: By saying let THEM make it, I mean send your complaint to them and let them decide from there instead of bringing your QQ onto the forums. You have every right to question them, but that's not the purpose of this thread.
Mister Hunt Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 230	Posted - 2012.10.24 16:31:00 - [18] - Quote Scurvy Granger wrote: Jariel Manton wrote: Its pretty easy to not care when your on that side of the fence eh? Don't be that guy. I'd say its completely fair to be requesting an explanation as well as to be upset, people have put a lot of time and thought into preparing for this tournament. Honestly it has less to do with which side of the fence I'm on as my military background that tells me that's the way it is and get over it. Not trying to be rude on here just stating why he is on the forums, everyone knows he's just trying to get CCP to change their mind by building support on these forums. If CCP does change their mind and mix everything up from what it is that will say more about CCP than if they just tell him and his corp to get over it and try next time. They are the devs and it's their decision to make, so let THEM make it. I'm curious as to how your military background has anything to do with this, just as mine does not either. As far as to why I'm on the forums, you are right. I want the decision changed. I will say this though, I won't be in the tourny regardless of their decision. I have to work on the weekends, so already knew that I wouldn't be participating. I care because there is a $10,000 Eve tournament coming up and would hate to see them swoop in at last minute and feel they could change the rules at last minute there too and still have any sort of credibility left.
Noel Bellamy Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 36	Posted - 2012.10.24 16:34:00 - [19] - Quote All I'm gonna say, is that their corp selection method seems a little iffy, I haven't even heard of half of the corps participating. Perhaps first come first served wasn't the best idea? Meh. (Maybe having qualifying rounds would've been a better answer?) Shrug
Scurvy Granger ZionTCD Legacy Rising 75	Posted - 2012.10.24 16:42:00 - [20] - Quote Mister Hunt wrote: Scurvy Granger wrote: Jariel Manton wrote: Its pretty easy to not care when your on that side of the fence eh? Don't be that guy. I'd say its completely fair to be requesting an explanation as well as to be upset, people have put a lot of time and thought into preparing for this tournament. Honestly it has less to do with which side of the fence I'm on as my military background that tells me that's the way it is and get over it. Not trying to be rude on here just stating why he is on the forums, everyone knows he's just trying to get CCP to change their mind by building support on these forums. If CCP does change their mind and mix everything up from what it is that will say more about CCP than if they just tell him and his corp to get over it and try next time. They are the devs and it's their decision to make, so let THEM make it. I'm curious as to how your military background has anything to do with this, just as mine does not either. As far as to why I'm on the forums, you are right. I want the decision changed. I will say this though, I won't be in the tourny regardless of their decision. I have to work on the weekends, so already knew that I wouldn't be participating. I care because there is a $10,000 Eve tournament coming up and would hate to see them swoop in at last minute and feel they could change the rules at last minute there too and still have any sort of credibility left. In the military, when you're told to do something you just do it. Also I'll say again if that is your concern then take it up with CCP instead of posting up on the forums about how unfair it is to you and your corp. All you're doing there is trying to stir something up against CCP and there's really no point in that. Don't know what branch you were in but in the Marines you are taught professionalism, and your post here is not professional. Also the EVE tourney is completely seperate from this issue, Dust is still in beta and CCP's Dust team is trying to develop the game as well as come up with interesting things to keep the testers interested. On the EVE side they probably have a seperate team that is in place for events and ideas, so trying to relate the 2 really has no point either.

Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.10.24 16:46:00 - [21] - Quote Oh give over, it's a joke. They've changed dates and denied 2 top tier US corps. Which Dev is in a US corp :P
Noel Bellamy Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 36	Posted - 2012.10.24 16:51:00 - [22] - Quote Scurvy Granger wrote: Dust is still in beta and CCP's Dust team is trying to develop the game as well as come up with interesting things to keep the testers interested. Heh, if they wanna keep me interested, they can start with making the game more playable, not by hosting a tournament as a distraction. EDIT: As for violating the rules, it doesn't really matter if the person breaking the rules, is the person that makes the rules (Just ask your government). Does it suck? Yeah, not much you can do about it though, other than let CCP know about it. ( I assume you did this already though)
Max Tyrrell Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 47	Posted - 2012.10.24 17:02:00 - [23] - Quote Scurvy Granger wrote: Mister Hunt wrote: Scurvy Granger wrote: Jariel Manton wrote: Its pretty easy to not care when your on that side of the fence eh? Don't be that guy. I'd say its completely fair to be requesting an explanation as well as to be upset, people have put a lot of time and thought into preparing for this tournament. Honestly it has less to do with which side of the fence I'm on as my military background that tells me that's the way it is and get over it. Not trying to be rude on here just stating why he is on the forums, everyone knows he's just trying to get CCP to change their mind by building support on these forums. If CCP does change their mind and mix everything up from what it is that will say more about CCP than if they just tell him and his corp to get over it and try next time. They are the devs and it's their decision to make, so let THEM make it. I'm curious as to how your military background has anything to do with this, just as mine does not either. As far as to why I'm on the forums, you are right. I want the decision changed. I will say this though, I won't be in the tourny regardless of their decision. I have to work on the weekends, so already knew that I wouldn't be participating. I care because there is a $10,000 Eve tournament coming up and would hate to see them swoop in at last minute and feel they could change the rules at last minute there too and still have any sort of credibility left. In the military, when you're told to do something you just do it. Also I'll say again if that is your concern then take it up with CCP instead of posting up on the forums about how unfair it is to you and your corp. All you're doing there is trying to stir something up against CCP and there's really no point in that. Don't know what branch you were in but in the Marines you are taught professionalism, and your post here is not professional. Also the EVE tourney is completely seperate from this issue, Dust is still in beta and CCP's Dust team is trying to develop the game as well as come up with interesting things to keep the testers interested. On the EVE side they probably have a seperate team that is in place for events and ideas, so trying to relate the 2 really has no point either. Professional? It's still a game mate. Saying a forum post asking for an explanation about a game tourney isn't professional is a bit... Let us not ask any questions because it is not professional.
Wafflelauncher Onslaught Inc 29	Posted - 2012.10.24 17:02:00 - [24] - Quote Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: Mashing your keyboard in rage will not change a single thing other than making you look silly and allowing me to laugh at you. i'm stealing that ^.^
Scurvy Granger ZionTCD Legacy Rising 75	Posted - 2012.10.24 17:04:00 - [25] - Quote Max Tyrrell wrote: Professional? It's still a game mate. Saying a forum post asking for an explanation about a game tourney isn't professional is a bit... Let us not ask any questions because it is not professional. Again I will state, ask the question to CCP, don't whine about it on the forums. Never said don't ask questions. Of course if this is your attempt at a troll or to discredit me then have fun with that.
Mister Hunt Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 230	Posted - 2012.10.24 17:06:00 - [26] - Quote Scurvy, you said to bring it to their attention. Well, guess what, this is where they have you do that. As far as being professional, that is all a matter of perspective, as you can look at your original reply and see where you weren't exactly very professional either. Being unprofessional would be me coming on here threatening, cursing, or something of the sort. I have done nothing but speak in complete sentences with proper spelling even. You came into my post using internet terminology commonly referred to as "leet speak". And for future reference, I have attempted to contact them via email and Twitter as well. The company has refused to respond in any way. This only serves to fuel the speculation that something is amiss. Were they just mad at STB? Did Tritan just fail to send in their application in time? Who knows? Why? Because CCP is not being open and honest with their player base.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.10.24 17:06:00 - [27] - Quote Scurvy, who's forums are these? Yes, that's right CCPs. I'd imagine Tritan would like an answer just like STB would. Now shhh.
Max Tyrrell Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 47	Posted - 2012.10.24 17:08:00 - [28] - Quote Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: Mister Hunt wrote: The rules STILL state first 16. No where in there does it say ANYTHING about regions. They changed the rules after the fact. You sound a little butthurt you didn't get in.. Yea Cerebral really fits his namesake, the use of the adjective butthurt really is powerful. Methinks a Freudian slip on his part.
Max Tyrrell Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 47	Posted - 2012.10.24 17:10:00 - [29] - Quote Scurvy Granger wrote: Max Tyrrell wrote: Professional? It's still a game mate. Saying a forum post asking for an explanation about a game tourney isn't professional is a bit... Let us not ask any questions because it is not professional. Again I will state, ask the question to CCP, don't whine about it on the forums. Never said don't ask questions. Of course if this is your attempt at a troll or to discredit me then have fun with that. So it's ok for you to discredit others though?
4447 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 649	Posted - 2012.10.24 17:11:00 - [30] - Quote Didn't CCP pick the best corps?... hmm, It looks that way...



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