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Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.10.23 15:33:00 - [31] - Quote I seem to be perfectly capable of making most tanks run for their lives. and I'm not even using proto gear. The only reason I'm not killing Gunnlogi's is that others aren't shooting at them at the same time. Non militia tanks should not be a one man job to kill, ever, if you feel that is OP, go play CoD.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1170	Posted - 2012.10.23 16:05:00 - [32] - Quote OP cannot be serious. Please tell me OP is not serious... Turrets are stupid good, but the tanks themselves are way too easy to kill.
Tien TheSecond Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 198	Posted - 2012.10.23 16:41:00 - [33] - Quote (2:23:33 PM) Noc: please make a tanks are OP post (2:23:35 PM) Noc: please (2:23:38 PM) Noc: I want to see it Voila, you now see a tanks are OP thread * This was a broadcast from TienPo to all, replies are monitored *
Johnson McCrea Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2012.10.23 17:09:00 - [34] - Quote Sha Kharn Clone wrote: I have not speced into any AV and have no milita swarm launcher builds. I agree with the OP 100% they are so overpowered. I spent over 600 rounds attacking a gunlogi yesterday with a fully upgraded adv AR and it didn't do anything. Its not fair and this kind of thing will drive away 90% of the playerbase. Um, you wasted AR rounds on a TANK? What did you expect it to do? Melt like an Impact? Dude it's a TANK. Shooting an AR at a Tank is like shooting BBs at a Volkswagon. Sure, it'll ding the paint a bit, but it ain't going to explode if it's shields are up. And maybe not if the shields are down either. More like he'll just run you over for being annoying.
Governor Odius Doomheim 177	Posted - 2012.10.23 17:20:00 - [35] - Quote Johnson McCrea wrote: Sha Kharn Clone wrote: I have not speced into any AV and have no milita swarm launcher builds. I agree with the OP 100% they are so overpowered. I spent over 600 rounds attacking a gunlogi yesterday with a fully upgraded adv AR and it didn't do anything. Its not fair and this kind of thing will drive away 90% of the playerbase. Um, you wasted AR rounds on a TANK? What did you expect it to do? Melt like an Impact? Dude it's a TANK. Shooting an AR at a Tank is like shooting BBs at a Volkswagon. Sure, it'll ding the paint a bit, but it ain't going to explode if it's shields are up. And maybe not if the shields are down either. More like he'll just run you over for being annoying. I thought Sha Kharn was being obvious enough that no one could mistake that for sincerity, proving once again that no assumed level of stupidity in DUSTers is too stupid.
Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 902	Posted - 2012.10.23 17:28:00 - [36] - Quote Tanks should be restored to their e3 glory with a few minor tweaks
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1170	Posted - 2012.10.23 17:40:00 - [37] - Quote Tien TheSecond wrote: (2:23:33 PM) Noc: please make a tanks are OP post (2:23:35 PM) Noc: please (2:23:38 PM) Noc: I want to see it Voila, you now see a tanks are OP thread * This was a broadcast from TienPo to all, replies are monitored * Well played sir.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.10.23 18:03:00 - [38] - Quote Tailss Prower wrote: Sir Meode wrote: Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: I popped ted yesterday with militia AV and a level 1 SL, they really are quite easy to kill if you're persistent and educated about what you're doing. They loose a lot more isk than i do when they die. IMO this shouldnt be possible any way, killing a HAV solo with Militia gear is a joke tbh. all AV should have to be spec'd into like Forge guns and if you dont spec into it dont expect them to die. Too the OP, HAV arent OP its because they take effort to kill decent ones which atm, players just want free easy kills. If you want to see them melt spec into AV then you will see them running for cover pretty fast. since we are on this whole Op thing I think forges are OP now don't go yelling at me I rarely use a tank I'm just saying if a forge can kill so easy like with the assualt one and can kill infantry so easy something should be ajusted Snif, snif......smell that? its a DROPSHIP PILOT scared of forge guns and wants a nerf since swarms are BROKEN versus dropships and forges are the only semiworking counter to dropships.....bah!! Since you want an ADJUSTMENT lets fix BROKEN swarms. HEY!! lets slow down the dropships since I am getting tired of seeing this dropship and a gunner go 40 and 0 due to broken swarms. Now do not go yelling at me since I rarely use an OP DROPSHIP.
Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.10.23 19:45:00 - [39] - Quote Governor Odius wrote: Johnson McCrea wrote: Sha Kharn Clone wrote: I have not speced into any AV and have no milita swarm launcher builds. I agree with the OP 100% they are so overpowered. I spent over 600 rounds attacking a gunlogi yesterday with a fully upgraded adv AR and it didn't do anything. Its not fair and this kind of thing will drive away 90% of the playerbase. Um, you wasted AR rounds on a TANK? What did you expect it to do? Melt like an Impact? Dude it's a TANK. Shooting an AR at a Tank is like shooting BBs at a Volkswagon. Sure, it'll ding the paint a bit, but it ain't going to explode if it's shields are up. And maybe not if the shields are down either. More like he'll just run you over for being annoying. I thought Sha Kharn was being obvious enough that no one could mistake that for sincerity, proving once again that no assumed level of stupidity in DUSTers is too stupid. No im super srs
The Polish Hammer Doomheim 373	Posted - 2012.10.23 20:23:00 - [40] - Quote Tanks aren't OP. Also, i've been seeing more and more people speccing AV (forge/swarms) /thread

Voradors Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.10.23 20:34:00 - [41] - Quote I have never enjoyed vehicles in a shooter. They never have a comfortable balance. Insisting that en entire squad needs to work together to take down a tank seems like flawed logic, and also assumes that the enemy squad just sits back and ignores you while everyone focuses on their tank.....
The Polish Hammer Doomheim 373	Posted - 2012.10.23 20:49:00 - [42] - Quote Voradors wrote: I have never enjoyed vehicles in a shooter. They never have a comfortable balance. Insisting that en entire squad needs to work together to take down a tank seems like flawed logic, and also assumes that the enemy squad just sits back and ignores you while everyone focuses on their tank..... I would like to hear your reasoning on this. I'm not saying you're wrong or anything, i'm just curious.
Ghost Mason Grupo de Asalto Chacal CRONOS. 38	Posted - 2012.10.23 21:05:00 - [43] - Quote I know what your saying OP i totally agree with you they are even more overpowered than before! Last night i got blasted by a tank and was sent flying like 2 KM onto the redzone! LITERALLY went flaying for like 5 seconds! :O
Kat Vance Chaotic Silence 0	Posted - 2012.10.23 21:07:00 - [44] - Quote i have no problem killing any tank thats feilded most of the time i just let them be unless they shoot at me then i kill them i think th reason your having problems is you are not doing it right
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.10.23 21:09:00 - [45] - Quote Ghost Mason wrote: I know what your saying OP i totally agree with you they are even more overpowered than before! Last night i got blasted by a tank and was sent flying like 2 KM onto the redzone! LITERALLY went flaying for like 5 seconds! :O Huh? Really? Tanks are NOT OP! Leave them alone except for armor tanks that need a little TLC!
Ghost Mason Grupo de Asalto Chacal CRONOS. 38	Posted - 2012.10.23 21:16:00 - [46] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: Ghost Mason wrote: I know what your saying OP i totally agree with you they are even more overpowered than before! Last night i got blasted by a tank and was sent flying like 2 KM onto the redzone! LITERALLY went flaying for like 5 seconds! :O Huh? Really? Tanks are NOT OP! Leave them alone except for armor tanks that need a little TLC! hahaha yeah im not even kidding these has happened to me two times! im just sent flying to to other side of the planet I know tanks are NOT overpowered any more just making fun of what happened to me probably its a glitch!
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.10.23 21:19:00 - [47] - Quote Ghost Mason wrote: hahaha yeah im not even kidding these has happened to me two times! im just sent flying to to other side of the planet I know tanks are NOT overpowered any more just making fun of what happened to me probably its a glitch! Lulz! I thought you were one those guys who thinks tanks are OP! My bad!
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 742	Posted - 2012.10.23 21:19:00 - [48] - Quote Voradors wrote: I have never enjoyed vehicles in a shooter. They never have a comfortable balance. Insisting that en entire squad needs to work together to take down a tank seems like flawed logic, and also assumes that the enemy squad just sits back and ignores you while everyone focuses on their tank..... So, a Tank which is crewed by 3 people shouldn't need an enemy Squad to take them out, it should just require one guy, correct? **** logic.
Voradors Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.10.23 21:23:00 - [49] - Quote The Polish Hammer wrote: Voradors wrote: I have never enjoyed vehicles in a shooter. They never have a comfortable balance. Insisting that en entire squad needs to work together to take down a tank seems like flawed logic, and also assumes that the enemy squad just sits back and ignores you while everyone focuses on their tank..... I would like to hear your reasoning on this. I'm not saying you're wrong or anything, i'm just curious. The first statement was just preference. My reasoning behind the second statement is that i the most common defense of tanks being so powerful is that "They are fine, you just need to work together with your entire squad to take them down. Dont play with randoms". I know that the EVE universe is vast, but in what world does it make sense to balance 1 tank/2 people vs a full squad? Also, it seems that if my squad is focusing their attention and effort to take down this tank then that leaves the rest of the enemy squad to either work together as well, with a tank, and annihilate us or focus their attention elsewhere and gain a huge tactical advantage. Its like saying "They can afford a tank, so they deserve a huge advantage" I am too new to Dust to propose any kind of balance suggestions, but this general defense of the way tanks are now is flawed........
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.10.23 21:28:00 - [50] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: So, a Tank which is crewed by 3 people shouldn't need an enemy Squad to take them out, it should just require one guy, correct? **** logic. Its called "Getting the drop on the tank"! In RL you can blow up a tank buy firing a RPG at its rear or fuel supply! Have you even been in a tank? It is a friggin oven when its on fire! You cant even breathe properly! So yeah! One guy should be able take out a tank!

Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 666	Posted - 2012.10.23 21:32:00 - [51] - Quote Tien TheSecond wrote: (2:23:33 PM) Noc: please make a tanks are OP post (2:23:35 PM) Noc: please (2:23:38 PM) Noc: I want to see it Voila, you now see a tanks are OP thread * This was a broadcast from TienPo to all, replies are monitored * I was waiting for the other shoe to drop but then it did and no one noticed because we were all too busy arguing about whether or not tanks were OP again... But did I not hear a rumor that there was some sort of anti armor sniper rifle planned that you could use to target very specific weak spots on vehicles and take them out that way... ? Or is that just a railgun installation...
The Polish Hammer Doomheim 373	Posted - 2012.10.23 21:45:00 - [52] - Quote Voradors wrote: The first statement was just preference. My reasoning behind the second statement is that i the most common defense of tanks being so powerful is that "They are fine, you just need to work together with your entire squad to take them down. Dont play with randoms". I know that the EVE universe is vast, but in what world does it make sense to balance 1 tank/2 people vs a full squad? Also, it seems that if my squad is focusing their attention and effort to take down this tank then that leaves the rest of the enemy squad to either work together as well, with a tank, and annihilate us or focus their attention elsewhere and gain a huge tactical advantage. Its like saying "They can afford a tank, so they deserve a huge advantage" I am too new to Dust to propose any kind of balance suggestions, but this general defense of the way tanks are now is flawed........ Ahhhh I see what you're saying now, and after thinking about it I do agree with you. I think the prevailing theme here though is that everyone is only delving into the militia gear they have in order to counter the tanks like those of Ted Nuggets, Bad Furry, etc. THEN you will see whole squads full of people. Someone who's specced into AV as much as, say, myself can stand toe-to-toe with the tanks though. It's about peoples' experience and strange desire to need to take out tanks with weapons that can just be shrugged off.
Talruum Tezztarozza Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 73	Posted - 2012.10.23 21:59:00 - [53] - Quote Ghost Mason wrote: Sentient Archon wrote: Ghost Mason wrote: I know what your saying OP i totally agree with you they are even more overpowered than before! Last night i got blasted by a tank and was sent flying like 2 KM onto the redzone! LITERALLY went flaying for like 5 seconds! :O Huh? Really? Tanks are NOT OP! Leave them alone except for armor tanks that need a little TLC! hahaha yeah im not even kidding these has happened to me two times! im just sent flying to to other side of the planet I know tanks are NOT overpowered any more just making fun of what happened to me probably its a glitch! Happened to me as well !!!! It just sent me to stratosphere before landed me into other side of planet minutes later. There, I was so far away I saw all Objective clump up into one spot.
Waruiko DUST G I A N T 90	Posted - 2012.10.23 22:36:00 - [54] - Quote Big part of the Tank situation is that Swarms now deal 70% damage to shields. The Explosives VS Energy favoring one type of HP is fine, but too extreme. Should be closer to 15% or 10%. As it stands Shield Tanks can harden to fight off Forge rounds till they can get away and can all but ignore Swarms from smaller groups of people. If well built enough they can all but ignore Swarm fire. An Armor tank takes extra damage from Swarms so they get ripped up by swarms, mines, AV Nadefields, and anything rocking a missile turret because they deal 130% damage to armor before buffs. Armor tanks can also all but ignore forge rounds because of damage reduction and the extra health armor tanks get.
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens 164	Posted - 2012.10.24 01:03:00 - [55] - Quote Sha Kharn Clone wrote: I have not speced into any AV and have no milita swarm launcher builds. I agree with the OP 100% they are so overpowered. I spent over 600 rounds attacking a gunlogi yesterday with a fully upgraded adv AR and it didn't do anything. Its not fair and this kind of thing will drive away 90% of the playerbase. I really hope this is a humor post and not a serious grievance.
Longshot Ravenwood Algintal Core Gallente Federation 680	Posted - 2012.10.24 01:10:00 - [56] - Quote Take a look at the map. Find the enemy tank. Plot it's route. Get ahead of it's route. Find cover. Place a glass jar in front of the tank's route. Place a nanohive where you're hiding behind cover. Wait for the tank to reach the glass jar. Unload all of your AV Grenades. Pick up jar full of tears & cash in at your nearest supply depot. If there are any more tanks on the map, start again at step 1.
Cloudy Zan 107	Posted - 2012.10.24 01:15:00 - [57] - Quote Aighun wrote: Tien TheSecond wrote: (2:23:33 PM) Noc: please make a tanks are OP post (2:23:35 PM) Noc: please (2:23:38 PM) Noc: I want to see it Voila, you now see a tanks are OP thread * This was a broadcast from TienPo to all, replies are monitored * I was waiting for the other shoe to drop but then it did and no one noticed because we were all too busy arguing about whether or not tanks were OP again... But did I not hear a rumor that there was some sort of anti armor sniper rifle planned that you could use to target very specific weak spots on vehicles and take them out that way... ? Or is that just a railgun installation... F*CK YES lol I'm going AV kittens assuming it is true ofcourse
Salazar Skye-fire Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 85	Posted - 2012.10.24 01:24:00 - [58] - Quote why does every nub only use swarms for everything theres a far better AV weapon called Forge it gets the job done and your not sitting there crossing your fingers that your swarms will actually hit your damn target.
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.10.24 12:28:00 - [59] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Voradors wrote: I have never enjoyed vehicles in a shooter. They never have a comfortable balance. Insisting that en entire squad needs to work together to take down a tank seems like flawed logic, and also assumes that the enemy squad just sits back and ignores you while everyone focuses on their tank..... So, a Tank which is crewed by 3 people shouldn't need an enemy Squad to take them out, it should just require one guy, correct? **** logic. Thats the problem Everyone assumes that they should be able to solo a 700k+ tank with a 20k AV fit 2 builds ago where ISK/SP was given away it did take an organized AV crew to take out the tank, now it requires 1 guy
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.10.24 12:29:00 - [60] - Quote Salazar Skye-fire wrote: why does every nub only use swarms for everything theres a far better AV weapon called Forge it gets the job done and your not sitting there crossing your fingers that your swarms will actually hit your damn target. Swarms bend around several corners even if you use cover, they hit the majority of the time since they go around the cover you are using



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