DUST Search - The Old Dust

FatalFlaw V1 wrote:

I've been very disappointed in the direction this game has taken over the course of the beta. Even with all of the bugs of the older builds, the OP swarm launchers, bad hit detection, the classes MEANT something. Scout was paper thin comparatively but moved so quickly it made it strong. Heavy was an absolute beast but you could out-flank their max turn speed so it was balanced.

Scout and heavy have been nerfed down to be nothing more than slightly modified extremes of the assault class, more HP and slow or less HP and slightly faster. Neither of which seems worth playing anymore unless you really want to use an HMG/forge.

By the time release comes around, they will have removed every unique characteristic of this game that really made it worth playing over the big name FPS games. The difference is this game doesn't have the production budget of the others or years of work adding to previous successful games. No offense to the developers or discredit to their hard work. Whoever is steering the production has given far too much weight to the complaints of the prevailing vocal minority of each build.

Hopefully they roll classes back to the way they used to be so this isn't just a Battlefield clone.

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Icy Tiger Universal Allies Inc. 1026	Posted - 2012.10.21 15:36:00 - [1] - Quote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KvXrjyzYZ8 Thoughts?
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.10.21 15:38:00 - [2] - Quote Icy Tiger wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KvXrjyzYZ8 Thoughts? Makes me glad we have what we do now, minus the slower movement speeds. Kinda wish I could run as fast as Replication again.
Lonewolf514 79	Posted - 2012.10.21 15:41:00 - [3] - Quote look no lag spikes.
Icy Tiger Universal Allies Inc. 1026	Posted - 2012.10.21 15:42:00 - [4] - Quote I don't know, the character models look more clearer for some reason, and movement speed makes it look really fun. Also lolHeavy.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.10.21 15:42:00 - [5] - Quote It was so much better back then. Very little was over powered. If anything. Then everyone cried about heavies ect ect. And the game went downhill to the pile of **** we have now.
Icy Tiger Universal Allies Inc. 1026	Posted - 2012.10.21 15:43:00 - [6] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: It was so much better back then. Very little was over powered. If anything. Then everyone cried about heavies ect ect. And the game went downhill to the pile of **** we have now. Swarms.
Lonewolf514 79	Posted - 2012.10.21 15:46:00 - [7] - Quote Icy Tiger wrote: Tony Calif wrote: It was so much better back then. Very little was over powered. If anything. Then everyone cried about heavies ect ect. And the game went downhill to the pile of **** we have now. Swarms. of goons in IRC ruined this game
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 666	Posted - 2012.10.21 15:47:00 - [8] - Quote Dat hit detection... Lonewolf514 wrote: look no lag spikes. Ha, there were lag spikes. But back then we called the lag spikes "stairs". But all in all the tempo is a lot more lively and yes, I liked the movement speed in replication. But where were the scouts with swarm launchers firing at feet?
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.10.21 15:51:00 - [9] - Quote Ok so swarms were op. I forgot. But only as much as mass drivers now (flattened hp).
Lonewolf514 79	Posted - 2012.10.21 15:55:00 - [10] - Quote dat hit detection!!!!!! lol someone teach the guy who recorded this to freaking aim. watch 0.38 > and then again at 1.25 onwards. breaking news - bullets don't hit if you dont aim at the target.

Sponge- Bob 40	Posted - 2012.10.21 16:18:00 - [11] - Quote Icy Tiger wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KvXrjyzYZ8 Thoughts? 5 MONTHS LATER Little improvement
Fargen Icehole SyNergy Gaming 67	Posted - 2012.10.21 16:38:00 - [12] - Quote Icy Tiger wrote: I don't know, the character models look more clearer for some reason, and movement speed makes it look really fun. Also lolHeavy. I actually think it looks fuzzier than what we're playing now. I didn't play that build, but I noticed the AR sounds different. (actually more like an AR) Also, noticed there's a two-letter map. Why haven't I come across this? Was it a really small map?
Baracka Flocka Flame SyNergy Gaming 334	Posted - 2012.10.21 16:40:00 - [13] - Quote Lol i actually miss playing this build. I actually enjoyed the map(sorta) and although the hit detection was absolute crap it was still fun to be able to easily 1v5/1v6 lol.
FatalFlaw V1 ISK Faucet Industries 76	Posted - 2012.10.21 16:42:00 - [14] - Quote I've been very disappointed in the direction this game has taken over the course of the beta. Even with all of the bugs of the older builds, the OP swarm launchers, bad hit detection, the classes MEANT something. Scout was paper thin comparatively but moved so quickly it made it strong. Heavy was an absolute beast but you could out-flank their max turn speed so it was balanced. Scout and heavy have been nerfed down to be nothing more than slightly modified extremes of the assault class, more HP and slow or less HP and slightly faster. Neither of which seems worth playing anymore unless you really want to use an HMG/forge. By the time release comes around, they will have removed every unique characteristic of this game that really made it worth playing over the big name FPS games. The difference is this game doesn't have the production budget of the others or years of work adding to previous successful games. No offense to the developers or discredit to their hard work. Whoever is steering the production has given far too much weight to the complaints of the prevailing vocal minority of each build. Hopefully they roll classes back to the way they used to be so this isn't just a Battlefield clone.
Olav Grey-Mane The Exemplars 58	Posted - 2012.10.21 16:44:00 - [15] - Quote deosn't that break the confidentiality rule that every one agreed to? and it's funny that right bellow this thread is one saying "crybabies ruined this game" and here you guys are crying over it. made me lol the game seems deeper then before, I started the beta back in july so yeah... somethings are OP but somethings you just need to bring to the atention of CPP and not complain about it.
Chankk Saotome CrimeWave Syndicate 170	Posted - 2012.10.21 17:24:00 - [16] - Quote Read NDA much? Doesn't seem the video uploader has...
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 666	Posted - 2012.10.21 17:26:00 - [17] - Quote FatalFlaw V1 wrote: I've been very disappointed in the direction this game has taken over the course of the beta. Even with all of the bugs of the older builds, the OP swarm launchers, bad hit detection, the classes MEANT something. Scout was paper thin comparatively but moved so quickly it made it strong. Heavy was an absolute beast but you could out-flank their max turn speed so it was balanced. Scout and heavy have been nerfed down to be nothing more than slightly modified extremes of the assault class, more HP and slow or less HP and slightly faster. Neither of which seems worth playing anymore unless you really want to use an HMG/forge. By the time release comes around, they will have removed every unique characteristic of this game that really made it worth playing over the big name FPS games. The difference is this game doesn't have the production budget of the others or years of work adding to previous successful games. No offense to the developers or discredit to their hard work. Whoever is steering the production has given far too much weight to the complaints of the prevailing vocal minority of each build. Hopefully they roll classes back to the way they used to be so this isn't just a Battlefield clone. I would say that the suits all had a more unique personality. This is meant to be a game where "classes" are meaningless. In the sense that you can make what you want of the tools at hand. But I do agree that all of the different suit types now feel more generic, or lifeless, somehow, Except the Logi suit/ class which is now much better. Heavy is a lot closer to where it was in the old build relative to the other suits, but it does seem like everything else has gotten over worked and muddied to bring it all back to something close to what it used to be and that a lot of the life has gone out of the game. But I really think it was a lot worse than we remember it. Maybe the thing to do would be to have a Replication weekend where CCP load us up with an exact copy of that build and we can watch 100 vehicles pile up as the RDVs keep em coming, or go back to play 2 matches, turn off PS3. Play a match, get crushed 7 times by a dropship. And do a refresher comparison. I do agree that in trying to please all of us it may be that the vision of what the game is meant to be has gotten obscured.
Regis Mark V 91	Posted - 2012.10.21 17:33:00 - [18] - Quote Best build as far as gameplay and map design goes. This is what we should be playing with the current graphics and hit detection. This "beta" has gone down hill. Looking at how much they change the mechanics and overall design of the game it screams they don't know where they want to go with this game.
Logi Bro ZionTCD Legacy Rising 836	Posted - 2012.10.21 17:39:00 - [19] - Quote Look how far we've come....oh wait, are those the same guns, maps, graphics, poor hit detection, and uncoordinated team-play that we have now but with less lag? How long has it been? Five months? Nuff said.
Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.10.21 18:05:00 - [20] - Quote Lonewolf514 wrote: look no lag spikes. Oh, that version had LOTS of lag spikes, especially around stairs.

jenza aranda BetaMax. 1005	Posted - 2012.10.21 18:38:00 - [21] - Quote ye gods that video takes me back lol yes, there where lag spikes and you needed to restart your ps3 every third game or get a crash but it was a LOT of fun, i still prefer the old skirmish method. whats funny is i still remember some of the people in this video! since then some people left, others changed names, but a couple are still around ;)
Zekain Kade BetaMax. 931	Posted - 2012.10.21 18:53:00 - [22] - Quote Fargen Icehole wrote: Icy Tiger wrote: I don't know, the character models look more clearer for some reason, and movement speed makes it look really fun. Also lolHeavy. I actually think it looks fuzzier than what we're playing now. I didn't play that build, but I noticed the AR sounds different. (actually more like an AR) Also, noticed there's a two-letter map. Why haven't I come across this? Was it a really small map? it was a two stage map. the first stage had 2 objectives. once you blew up, or capped the two objectives, the other half of the map with the other three objectives would open up. Such fond memories.
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.10.21 18:57:00 - [23] - Quote Hm. There are things and aspects I like about the previous builds, but there is also a lot I like about this build. Including all of the dislike and problems that also plagued each build. There are pros and cons to it all.
xjumpman23 Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 262	Posted - 2012.10.21 19:03:00 - [24] - Quote That was when DUST was good. That was before the game was nerfed into the futuristic COD clone where gear trumps player skill.
Nstomper Th3-ReSiStAnCe-SEC.0 205	Posted - 2012.10.21 19:06:00 - [25] - Quote Lol did anyone notice that fro ship that rolled down in front of those two guys when that guy was sniping?
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2012.10.21 21:07:00 - [26] - Quote The map looks cool, and it looks like blaster turrets had twice the effective range they do now.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.10.21 21:23:00 - [27] - Quote xjumpman23 wrote: That was when DUST was good. That was before the game was nerfed into the futuristic COD clone where gear trumps player skill. Jump/Nova for beta VIP Jenza for tanker champ (shoulda heard her laugh when I told her my gunloggi's were naked, no modules) Sha scout master Eukesei walking tank. He could make Jenza run away and just tank her fire. God mode engage It's not nostalgia. It was better balanced than any other build except for the swarms. I loved this game back then. I hate Dust for what it is becomming.
Necandi Brasil Conspiratus Immortalis 245	Posted - 2012.10.21 21:37:00 - [28] - Quote Am I the only one around here that is liking this game?
Tank Splitter Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2012.10.21 21:41:00 - [29] - Quote "Here's some fresh footage from the beta." Oct. 19 2012. Totally fresh.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.10.21 21:47:00 - [30] - Quote Necandi Brasil wrote: Am I the only one around here that is liking this game? No, some people like it, but back then when people said "this not for you, go back to CoD" I didn't want to. Because Dust was mad as a box of frogs. Now, I might as well. It isn't unique. Not the way it used to be.

jenza aranda BetaMax. 1005	Posted - 2012.10.21 22:01:00 - [31] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: Jenza for tanker champ (shoulda heard her laugh when I told her my gunloggi's were naked, no modules) It's not nostalgia. It was better balanced than any other build except for the swarms. I loved this game back then. I hate Dust for what it is becomming. hehe, i do remember my tanks and your naked gunloggis, i couldn't believe it XD Im more of a heavy/dropship specialist nowadays. I am having fun with this build and i still very much like dust, there are just a few things from the old days i really wish was back, like the more defined attacker/defender for example.
xjumpman23 Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 262	Posted - 2012.10.21 22:04:00 - [32] - Quote This game seriously was amazing back then.
steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 338	Posted - 2012.10.21 22:07:00 - [33] - Quote BRING BACK THE OLD GAME MODE, that was ace, this 5 point hack hold is pull their is no front line its just a team running around in circles or getting red lined. i think it would beta a lot of devs told us what their objectives are for each build, as the last two seemed to have clear goals, this one is 5 point maps and getting EvE to talk to dust correct along with corps too
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.10.21 22:08:00 - [34] - Quote xjumpman23 wrote: This game seriously was amazing back then. And it could be still. On a side note. I seriously want Ironsights, or at the very pull back the camera again so that I can see the length of the barrel of my gun when I go to shot.
xjumpman23 Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 262	Posted - 2012.10.21 22:11:00 - [35] - Quote Rorek IronBlood wrote: xjumpman23 wrote: This game seriously was amazing back then. And it could be still. On a side note. I seriously want Ironsights, or at the very pull back the camera again so that I can see the length of the barrel of my gun when I go to shot. not if they continue in the current direction the game is moving towards.
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.10.21 22:13:00 - [36] - Quote Well I am in no rush, and can wait to see what happens.
Tyrus Four 128	Posted - 2012.10.21 22:20:00 - [37] - Quote looks slightly faster than the current game. people still run around and hold R1 for the most part. I guess adding the left/right strafing added a lot to the holding R1 back then. shrug I like the Iron Sights though. I really do. wish the current build had it. The sights for the AR now suck, imo. Overall, I don't see what made that build so OMGWTF better than everything ever created and how that makes the current build the worst game in the history of games or whatever people are whining on these forums about. I suppose I had to have been there and played that build to "get it". this is the part where everyone says "YOU CAN'T AIM SCRUB WAAAAAH."
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.10.21 22:53:00 - [38] - Quote It's the part where we tell you the movement was as fast and smooth it was like borderlands 2. It was how you controlled your player. Fast and free. Except for stamina. There IS a lot that had improved but it no longer has that special sparkle. Dust's FPS gameplay is not unique. Obviously back then frame rate, stability, lag, and hit detection were atrocious. But that's expected in a beta. We just have a free form battlefield 2 BC right now.
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 432	Posted - 2012.10.21 23:02:00 - [39] - Quote why did they remove the ironsightlike view when zoomed in?
Brahma El Indio Bragian Order Amarr Empire 171	Posted - 2012.10.21 23:03:00 - [40] - Quote Yeah that build - replication - was the first build I played.... Except for the staircase lag, it was the most fun - hands down - of all of the builds so far..... The game, while opening new features, just went backwards in terms of core game play, since that build.....

Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.10.21 23:20:00 - [41] - Quote Old dust :o :) :D :O XD New dust :O :( X( :( O=3
Zekain Kade BetaMax. 931	Posted - 2012.10.22 00:42:00 - [42] - Quote I feel so depressed now. I miss that build so much.
Vi Leosude Doomheim 2	Posted - 2012.10.22 01:04:00 - [43] - Quote Me too.. I really miss that build.
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 666	Posted - 2012.10.22 03:45:00 - [44] - Quote A lot of stuff that is in the most recent build is stuff that we asked for. We are as much to blame as anyone. CCP really did add in a little something that each camp asked for but as so often happens... well, it's kind of like when half the kids want Chinese and half the kids want Pizza and the third half want Hamburgers and the wife is a vegetarian so you make veggie lo mien pepperoni pizza burgers for dinner and no one is happy. Unless they're really high. Which would be badGÇª very bad. A couple more things I do not miss from that build: Aim assist.* Trying to put together a drop suit load out with the fitting wheel. It never seemed to work and would often just completely lag out and become totally useless. I sort of miss the old heavy heavy.... I don't miss the forums. But why would I? They haven't really changed. Though there are fewer posts about MAG on a daily basis. So I decided to go through and try to find some old forum posts from replication but found this gem, relevant to E3 build, instead... "... I find the QQ coming from some of the top MAG players concerning the heavy suits personally embarrassing, though typical of the "get rid of stuff that kills me" bullshit that kill MAG dead 3 months in." *Edit: Though I should add that aim assist was more noticeable in E3. And then ... problem solved.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2012.10.22 04:37:00 - [45] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: Ok so swarms were op. I forgot. But only as much as mass drivers now (flattened hp). Don't forget heavy dropsuits with HMGs that can kill you in just two shots. Then let's not forget the forge guns.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.10.22 08:12:00 - [46] - Quote The HMGs killed you so fast because lag was terrible. The heavy was perfectly balanced that build IMHO. You are entitled to your opinion obviously, but the first bad nerf round was on heavies. And Forgeguns could still do with a larger radius.
Bishop Sunrunner Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 8	Posted - 2012.10.22 08:42:00 - [47] - Quote i just saw blood as hit reflection, did i? couldnt remember it in the earlier stages. bring blood back bring wobble hud back bring iron side back http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaod3dQs_10 Quote: ...of goons in IRC ruined this game i wasnt there.
Nstomper Th3-ReSiStAnCe-SEC.0 205	Posted - 2012.10.22 15:55:00 - [48] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: Old dust :o :) :D :O XD New dust :O :( X( :( O=3 Um go back to CoD or MAG?
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.10.22 16:23:00 - [49] - Quote Nstomper wrote: Tony Calif wrote: Old dust :o :) :D :O XD New dust :O :( X( :( O=3 Um go back to CoD or MAG? Go jump off a cliff onto rocks? I thought it was a rather good description of my disappointment. And yeah, MAG went back in yesterday.


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