I pray to Satan and all the Gods both above and below that someone on my team has a Forge Gun. If I had known I'd be punished for not picking that specific form of AV, I would have just picked it up right away. Now I'm trying to save my SP that comes in 1-2k at a time for other things, but instead I have to sink it into a heavy forge fit just to fight off dropships.

What are swarm launchers even in the game for? They provide no support vs infantry, they literally don't touch dropships, tanks just move behind cover and lol...are they just in the game to take out militia LAVs and give the enemy team free kills?

Ugh, I love DUST, I really do....this whole build just feels so meh it hurts =_=

I pray to Satan and all the Gods both above and below that someone on my team has a Forge Gun. If I had known I'd be punished for not picking that specific form of AV, I would have just picked it up right away. Now I'm trying to save my SP that comes in 1-2k at a time for other things, but instead I have to sink it into a heavy forge fit just to fight off dropships.

What are swarm launchers even in the game for? They provide no support vs infantry, they literally don't touch dropships, tanks just move behind cover and lol...are they just in the game to take out militia LAVs and give the enemy team free kills?

Ugh, I love DUST, I really do....this whole build just feels so meh it hurts =_=

As a dedicated Swarmer, I beg to differ. I bagged 4 dropships yesterday with my swarms. Once the swarm chase is on a dropship, the gunners are ineffective. If the dropship messes up with his lapping, he's dead. I also clear the field of LAV's and scare off tanks, sometimes popping them. I got two tanks yesterday. I target anything as it flies in, so when it hits the ground it's on fire or dead. I also clear the field of enemy installations, so friendlys can roll without fear. So, I'd say a swarmer is quite valuable.

Yeah, I was gonna say, other than not being able to counter out dropships effectively they're still useful against other things. Bout the only time you're gonna see em hit a drop ship though, is if they run into something, or they don't know how to fly.

So what you mean to say is a skilled pilot can get away. Working as intended.

a dropship that is circling around running from swarms is a dropship thats not smashing our ground troops, right?

Hello,

I am a milita swarmer,

I have yet to meet a DS able to survive me.

Though with HAVs the most I can ever do alone is pin it down and keep it from getting out of cover.

Militia Railgun Sica will make short work of a dropship. Yeah it's not free, but anyone can do it. You can call in 4 for the price of a decent dropship.

Flying around in circles all game =/= skill. As a dropship pilot for the past 3 builds, I think this is straight up the dumbest thing I have ever seen. They put dropships in such a stupid position thanks to the physics and the hardener nerf, meaning that if they let swarms hit like intended, they just nuke dropships; if they leave them bugged like they are, then dropships only die when you're very very stupid.

In a squad that actually listens and works together, I don't see how a dropship could ever die to swarm launchers. The dropship lures out the swarms, while the snipers and AR guys bag all their free kills as the team calls out their locations (thanks to the giant beacons giving away their positions)

It is most certainly not 'working as intended' right now.

Swarm launchers do 300 damage per missile. All swarm launchers. The primary difference is that militia and tier one swarms launch four missiles per shot. After that, they get into firing five or six per shot. The only damage increase swarms get, skill wise, that I've been able to find is from the weaponry skill. Everything else is about increased range, blast radius, and splash damage. The only way I know to increase damage after weaponry 5, which I have, is to use a heavy damage enhancer module.

IMO... Dropships should not be able to outrun swarms. Skilled pilots should be able to outmaneuver swarms.

I pray to Satan and all the Gods both above and below that someone on my team has a Forge Gun. If I had known I'd be punished for not picking that specific form of AV, I would have just picked it up right away. Now I'm trying to save my SP that comes in 1-2k at a time for other things, but instead I have to sink it into a heavy forge fit just to fight off dropships.

What are swarm launchers even in the game for? They provide no support vs infantry, they literally don't touch dropships, tanks just move behind cover and lol...are they just in the game to take out militia LAVs and give the enemy team free kills?

Ugh, I love DUST, I really do....this whole build just feels so meh it hurts =_=

The problem here is that there is no way to outmaneuver swarms.

The second problem is that everyone and there mother has a millitant swarm fit. you have whole teams turn to swarmers means even the best pilots can not evade the mass of swarms from free fits. Swarms fly around buildings and pull 90 degree turns like it was yesterdays buisness. They follow you around buildings with no trouble.

You make swarms faster then dropships all of a sudden you will make the dropship extinct. There are currently many counters besides just swarms out there for against dropships. You have rail turrets, forge guns, blaster turrets and small missile turrets on tanks and LAVs other dropships. There is plenty to counters out there. With forge guns and rail intliations/tanks are very very deadly against most pilots that do not know how to best counter or keep there eyes open for such threats.

Right now ccp just needs to take small buffs first and only should make swarms take the most direct path to the vehicle they are shot at.

Dropships are already victims of many nerfs and suffer grately to forge guns and having a forced ceiling height. they do not need to become the object of uber nerf because a few noobs with millitant swarms can not kill them. And it is only once every 20+ matches they ever see a dropship in the air capable of actually controlling the field.

I also love how people say swarms are useless. I am guessing anyone who says that runs millitant swarms only. Proto swarms are the fastest way to take out any vehicle. Last build I use to run a forge and everyonce in awhile I would run into a tank that could handle my proto forge gun shots and either run or kill me first. When that happened I would take out my proto swarms and pop them within seconds because I could hit just over 3.3k a volley. where forge only about 1.9k if your skilled out right and using correct mods. So do not tell me swarms are useless against tanks and LAVs. If you spec out in them they are alot better then forge guns and are easy to use compared to forge.

Forge gun is not the best weapon against a dropshit (I say that even though I have blown dropshits out of the sky with my forge gun)! The swarms are the best thing. All you need to do is lock and fire. With the forges the dropshits need to be in one place or the forger need to anticipate where the dropshit is going!

With that said, the swarmers are vulnerable with the swarm launchers. Easy kill! Atleast with the forge gun you can shoot the infantry in their faces!