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Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.10.13 04:54:00 - [1] - Quote A five year roadmap with twenty years of "crazy" ideas to sort through. I'm astounded if not happy to hear the news. Just saw this article posted up by Destructoid, and figured I would share this with everyone else here. It's rather short, but a hopeful message if you ask me. It shows that as always CCP is devoted to New Eden taking care of both their fans and games. Now that is some devotion! Glad to see some developers and publishers actually care (still). CCP has a five year roadmap for Dust514.
KripnawtiQ Prime L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 206	Posted - 2012.10.13 05:14:00 - [2] - Quote Good find Rorek. +1. I like CCPs vision and ambition...but 5 years (or 10 for that matter) will exceed the lifecycle of the PS3
Kleanur Guy SyNergy Gaming 154	Posted - 2012.10.13 05:29:00 - [3] - Quote KripnawtiQ Prime wrote: Good find Rorek. +1. I like CCPs vision and ambition...but 5 years (or 10 for that matter) will exceed the lifecycle of the PS3 That's why Dust will be on the PS4!
Longshot Ravenwood Algintal Core Gallente Federation 680	Posted - 2012.10.13 05:41:00 - [4] - Quote Kleanur Guy wrote: KripnawtiQ Prime wrote: Good find Rorek. +1. I like CCPs vision and ambition...but 5 years (or 10 for that matter) will exceed the lifecycle of the PS3 That's why Dust will be on the PS4! Yeah -- they don't plan for the short term. I imagine by the time we're at the end of the 5 years we'll have our own rep working with the reps from Eve Online to make sure everyone & everything is getting proper consideration and our voice is being heard.
KripnawtiQ Prime L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 206	Posted - 2012.10.13 05:42:00 - [5] - Quote Kleanur Guy wrote: KripnawtiQ Prime wrote: Good find Rorek. +1. I like CCPs vision and ambition...but 5 years (or 10 for that matter) will exceed the lifecycle of the PS3 That's why Dust will be on the PS4! We will find out! I see compatibility issues.....
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.10.13 06:01:00 - [6] - Quote You see compatibility issues? How do you figure that? CCP was running two separate EVE clients when they made the switch from DX9 to DX10 (right?), not to mention if the PS4 has backwards compatibility they won't even have to create a separate client.
HCA0R BACKWARDZ Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2012.10.13 06:25:00 - [7] - Quote I'm glad this game will be around for a while. Glitches and bugs aside it's an awesome game.
Rhadiem Algintal Core Gallente Federation 496	Posted - 2012.10.13 06:32:00 - [8] - Quote CCP is building a universe. Platforms are just access points into it. If the PS4 is not viable, they could just as well go PC or, if MS works with them, the Xbox 720 or some other alternate platform. I have an OUYA pre-ordered, and only wish it had enough power to support Dust.. that would be an ideal platform for a F2P game. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ouya/ouya-a-new-kind-of-video-game-console http://www.ouya.tv/ I'm guessing the graphics engine isn't up to the PS3 level though.
KripnawtiQ Prime L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 206	Posted - 2012.10.13 07:00:00 - [9] - Quote Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: You see compatibility issues? How do you figure that? CCP was running two separate EVE clients when they made the switch from DX9 to DX10 (right?), not to mention if the PS4 has backwards compatibility they won't even have to create a separate client. The backwards compatibility is what I'm talking about. Sony hasn't been real forthcoming about details of the PS4 under the guise that they don't want to shift focus from the PS3. Assuming backward compatibility is assuming they are going with similar cell processor technology. Development has been an issue at odds with the PS3 for multi platform games because of this. Sure exclusive titles look great but XBOX has been easier to develop for. I'm not saying DUST won't be on PS4...I'm just saying we will see :)
Bubbles moon Algintal Core Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2012.10.13 07:48:00 - [10] - Quote Kleanur Guy wrote: KripnawtiQ Prime wrote: Good find Rorek. +1. I like CCPs vision and ambition...but 5 years (or 10 for that matter) will exceed the lifecycle of the PS3 That's why Dust will be on the PS4! And PC, they've made it' pretty obvious

Bubbles moon Algintal Core Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2012.10.13 07:51:00 - [11] - Quote LAVA PLANETS! FIGHTER JETS! Air vs. AIR ONLY GAS GIANTS! ROBOT MECHA SUITS! Scout suits for each race! Null sec titan OBs Not to mention the comfrimed eve dust link where both games will in 4 years both walk in the same WiS bars. Guys, dust is got some crazy scope
Necrodermis GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 460	Posted - 2012.10.13 07:52:00 - [12] - Quote Rhadiem wrote: CCP is building a universe. Platforms are just access points into it. If the PS4 is not viable, they could just as well go PC or, if MS works with them, the Xbox 720 or some other alternate platform. I have an OUYA pre-ordered, and only wish it had enough power to support Dust.. that would be an ideal platform for a F2P game. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ouya/ouya-a-new-kind-of-video-game-console http://www.ouya.tv/ I'm guessing the graphics engine isn't up to the PS3 level though. i can't believe people actually supported that, i feel like making a kickstarter just to get free money for very little effort like 99% of the kickstarter projects.
HK-40 9	Posted - 2012.10.13 07:54:00 - [13] - Quote Bubbles moon wrote: Kleanur Guy wrote: KripnawtiQ Prime wrote: Good find Rorek. +1. I like CCPs vision and ambition...but 5 years (or 10 for that matter) will exceed the lifecycle of the PS3 That's why Dust will be on the PS4! And PC, they've made it' pretty obvious Looking forward to PC (if it happens). Not so much for battle controls which sadly enough I find the dual shock controller adequate, but using a proper interface for all the menus/markets/manufacturing would be nice. Can't honestly say i'm a PS3 fan.
Saiibot Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 142	Posted - 2012.10.13 08:45:00 - [14] - Quote KripnawtiQ Prime wrote: Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: You see compatibility issues? How do you figure that? CCP was running two separate EVE clients when they made the switch from DX9 to DX10 (right?), not to mention if the PS4 has backwards compatibility they won't even have to create a separate client. The backwards compatibility is what I'm talking about. Sony hasn't been real forthcoming about details of the PS4 under the guise that they don't want to shift focus from the PS3. Assuming backward compatibility is assuming they are going with similar cell processor technology. Development has been an issue at odds with the PS3 for multi platform games because of this. Sure exclusive titles look great but XBOX has been easier to develop for. I'm not saying DUST won't be on PS4...I'm just saying we will see :) All signs point to sony NOT using 'cell' architecture next time around.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 437	Posted - 2012.10.13 09:20:00 - [15] - Quote Saiibot wrote: All signs point to sony NOT using 'cell' architecture next time around. People who don't know anything about software development commenting on what is and isn't possible always looks ********. Cell doesn't matter, PS3 and PS4 and what ever doesn't matter. DUST will be on the architectures CCP wants to put it on.
Ima Leet Imperfects Negative-Feedback 321	Posted - 2012.10.13 09:22:00 - [16] - Quote Saiibot wrote: KripnawtiQ Prime wrote: Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: You see compatibility issues? How do you figure that? CCP was running two separate EVE clients when they made the switch from DX9 to DX10 (right?), not to mention if the PS4 has backwards compatibility they won't even have to create a separate client. The backwards compatibility is what I'm talking about. Sony hasn't been real forthcoming about details of the PS4 under the guise that they don't want to shift focus from the PS3. Assuming backward compatibility is assuming they are going with similar cell processor technology. Development has been an issue at odds with the PS3 for multi platform games because of this. Sure exclusive titles look great but XBOX has been easier to develop for. I'm not saying DUST won't be on PS4...I'm just saying we will see :) All signs point to sony NOT using 'cell' architecture next time around. Dust is already confirmed PS4
Bubbles moon Algintal Core Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2012.10.13 09:49:00 - [17] - Quote HK-40 wrote: Bubbles moon wrote: Kleanur Guy wrote: KripnawtiQ Prime wrote: Good find Rorek. +1. I like CCPs vision and ambition...but 5 years (or 10 for that matter) will exceed the lifecycle of the PS3 That's why Dust will be on the PS4! And PC, they've made it' pretty obvious Looking forward to PC (if it happens). Not so much for battle controls which sadly enough I find the dual shock controller adequate, but using a proper interface for all the menus/markets/manufacturing would be nice. Can't honestly say i'm a PS3 fan. It does work with the mouse you know : )
Rhadiem Algintal Core Gallente Federation 496	Posted - 2012.10.13 12:21:00 - [18] - Quote Necrodermis wrote: Rhadiem wrote: CCP is building a universe. Platforms are just access points into it. If the PS4 is not viable, they could just as well go PC or, if MS works with them, the Xbox 720 or some other alternate platform. I have an OUYA pre-ordered, and only wish it had enough power to support Dust.. that would be an ideal platform for a F2P game. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ouya/ouya-a-new-kind-of-video-game-console http://www.ouya.tv/ I'm guessing the graphics engine isn't up to the PS3 level though. i can't believe people actually supported that, i feel like making a kickstarter just to get free money for very little effort like 99% of the kickstarter projects. It'll be a great little media player and indie console, if nothing else. It's basically what Apple should have done with Apple TV 2 years ago. Additionally, to think it's a trivial thing to make a new console, is a little amusing. ;)
SuperKing BigNuts Trinity Council Test Alliance Please Ignore 19	Posted - 2012.10.13 12:30:00 - [19] - Quote this game is confirmed to be intended to outlive the PS3, its a CLIENT not a dvd-rom, compatability shouldnt be an issue as long as the next gen consoles support access to the DUST client. its like EVE Online for the PC, doesnt matter what PC you have, long as it has the minimum reqs to run the game, itll continue running. and with the future compatability that CCP works into their games, i doubt that the next gen consoles will fulfill CCPs visions, refrence below link, or look it up on youtube yourself EVE Fanfest 2012: NVIDIA Tessalation Demo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k7oaz8mWug
Brahma El Indio Bragian Order Amarr Empire 171	Posted - 2012.10.13 13:07:00 - [20] - Quote So, it will be ready for release in five years?

Cortez The Killer Immobile Infantry 187	Posted - 2012.10.13 13:11:00 - [21] - Quote Brahma El Indio wrote: So, it will be ready for release in five years? Eve is almost 10 years old and still being released. Why would Dust be any different?
KripnawtiQ Prime L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 206	Posted - 2012.10.13 13:19:00 - [22] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Saiibot wrote: All signs point to sony NOT using 'cell' architecture next time around. People who don't know anything about software development commenting on what is and isn't possible always looks ********. Cell doesn't matter, PS3 and PS4 and what ever doesn't matter. DUST will be on the architectures CCP wants to put it on. Its not about the software. Its about the hardware. If the PS4 uses a cell processor then they will simply be able to emulate most PS3 titles. The PS4 is not going to be designed around having the hardware to support games from both systems if they go in another direction. Sony has made it pretty clear that backward compatability isn't high on their priority list moving forward. If it was then every PS3 would have the additional CPU to run emotion engine from the PS2. The bottom line is that backward compatability is expensive and that expense is passed on to the consumer. People would rather save money than be able to play a 10 year old game on their new console (in most cases lol). If DUST is already planned for the PS4 than I guess that settles it!
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2012.10.13 13:21:00 - [23] - Quote @Brahma Actually it will be released this year, barring any unforeseen circumstances. But it will still be improving but the end of those five years. As for the PS4, CCP already said they are still waiting on Sony for the relevant tools needed.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.10.13 13:24:00 - [24] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Saiibot wrote: All signs point to sony NOT using 'cell' architecture next time around. People who don't know anything about software development commenting on what is and isn't possible always looks ********. Cell doesn't matter, PS3 and PS4 and what ever doesn't matter. DUST will be on the architectures CCP wants to put it on. Thats why they chose the unreal engine over their own in house engine that EVE is build on, Carbon. Unreal is easy to port.
SuperKing BigNuts Trinity Council Test Alliance Please Ignore 19	Posted - 2012.10.13 13:25:00 - [25] - Quote i may have been making a wrongful assumption that consoles are anything similar to a PC, but i still cant imagine that a PS4 would be that far different from a PS3 that CCP wouldnt be able to 'hotpatch' dust to be compatible with both, but it does leave you to wonder, what happens during the transition? ps3 players playing against ps4? or ps3 only until enough players have ps4s then ps4s only? ive yet to see a client style game(like WoW or EVE or SC2 or DUST that you download) on a console before, and thusly have not seen the transition to next gen for it. it should prove intresting to see how SONY and CCP handle this task
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2012.10.13 13:27:00 - [26] - Quote Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: Rasatsu wrote: Saiibot wrote: All signs point to sony NOT using 'cell' architecture next time around. People who don't know anything about software development commenting on what is and isn't possible always looks ********. Cell doesn't matter, PS3 and PS4 and what ever doesn't matter. DUST will be on the architectures CCP wants to put it on. Thats why they chose the unreal engine over their own in house engine that EVE is build on, Carbon. Unreal is easy to port. Not to mention that Carbon has a ridiculous hardware demand. You only need to look what happened to Incarna back in 2010 when the Jita Riots began.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.10.13 13:38:00 - [27] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: Rasatsu wrote: Saiibot wrote: All signs point to sony NOT using 'cell' architecture next time around. People who don't know anything about software development commenting on what is and isn't possible always looks ********. Cell doesn't matter, PS3 and PS4 and what ever doesn't matter. DUST will be on the architectures CCP wants to put it on. Thats why they chose the unreal engine over their own in house engine that EVE is build on, Carbon. Unreal is easy to port. Not to mention that Carbon has a ridiculous hardware demand. You only need to look what happened to Incarna back in 2010 when the Jita Riots began. Apparently they've done a lot of work on it to reduce use recently.
SuperKing BigNuts Trinity Council Test Alliance Please Ignore 19	Posted - 2012.10.13 13:40:00 - [28] - Quote from what i understand, carbon is just the name they gave to most of the core programing they have, its not that they created new tech and called it carbon, just took what was applicable to other uses and made it the baseline for building their other projects, including DUST and World of Darkness.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.10.13 13:42:00 - [29] - Quote No, carbon is a game engine. Its what EVE runs on and has some FPS elements in it with the whole walking in stations thing
SuperKing BigNuts Trinity Council Test Alliance Please Ignore 19	Posted - 2012.10.13 13:45:00 - [30] - Quote carbon is CCPs game engine, built from the core of eve code though, incarna, was supposed to be cutting edge for years to come though was the concept/purpose, they were even looking at including Ray Tracing at some point, which currently takes something like 5 minutes to render a single photo

Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2012.10.13 13:52:00 - [31] - Quote SuperKing BigNuts wrote: carbon is CCPs game engine, built from the core of eve code though, incarna, was supposed to be cutting edge for years to come though was the concept/purpose, they were even looking at including Ray Tracing at some point, which currently takes something like 5 minutes to render a single photo Correct. Carbon was planned to be used on DUST, but the engine was too complex and was time consuming to develop DUST in time for release.
SuperKing BigNuts Trinity Council Test Alliance Please Ignore 19	Posted - 2012.10.13 13:57:00 - [32] - Quote I BELIEVE this is the video that they covered CARBON and future compatability with CCP games, but they really do gear their games to be turned up to 11 on the high end GFX cards while still maintaining a degree of fidelity on the common graphics cards, i think that they are, or will be soon, working on tessalation that will bring the GFX to the next level, as demonstrated in the previous link i posted 16:45 or so Halldor takes the stage, hes the one who talks about all the CARBON stuff, i dont have time to fully scrub the video for his talks about CARBON, but theres a lot of other intresting and fun information there EVE Fanfest 2012: CCP Presents! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9Ozvef7CvQ&feature=related edit was mistaken, had more time than expected, cause other people woke up late were over 30 minutes late, and now ive scrubbed the videos maybe it was the 2011 fanfest that he talked about it, because im pretty certain it was in one of the keynotes that he had some skit about carbon fest yadda yadda, i cant quite find it at this time, im a terrible person and am bad at this game and should probably delete my character with /wrists, i am sorry for not having delivered the goods 19:30 or so, NVIDIA rep comes on to talk about future vision/compatability between NVIDIA and CCP 25:00 or so CARBON overviews, 30:40 or so the annoying skit ends 33:00 they show a representation of how many code lines are codelines of CARBON vs EVE 40:00 they demonstrate CARBON character technology in action 44:30 mental ray ray traced picture of one of the characters in eve, the visual target for avatars in CCP games EVE Fanfest 2011: CCP Presents! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaT9Z2zxPu0 Short version halldor has to say about carbon, core tech platform for CCP, tech created by harvesting code from eve, developed and tested for years, refining it to serve the needs of the other projects we have timecheck: 1 hour late now, sigh why was i up early for this...
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.10.13 14:19:00 - [33] - Quote Like most people said Dust514 porting to the PlayStation4 (Codename: Orbis) should not be a problem. Infact I could almost garuntee you that Sony gave CCP them a mock developer kit to start using so that the port could be that much smoother, and faster. Beyond that Sony is going to be using a new OS, and cell processor. They had plenty of feedback this generation and everything pointed to an incredible amount of difficulty with dealing with the coding, and processing to fit said games onto the system. Which is why most ported games look that much better on the Xbox360. Simply because, it was easier to code for, and maximize usage of. The PlayStation3 may be more powerful, but what good does it do you when so few can actually maxamize the potential of said power? Nonetheless CCP has assure everyone that it will be following the next console when we come to the road. Sony I am sure also plans on transitioning PSN (PlayStation Network) or roughly now SEN (Sony Entertainment Network) over to the PlayStation4 as well. Where it will more then likely be officially recognized as SEN from then on. Maybe. Nonetheless there is little to worry about in terms of your account with Sony, and the game Dust514 and the transitions to the PlayStation4.


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