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Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.12 03:17:00 -
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The strafe nerf promotes camping on the already huge maps. Gameplay doesn't have the same exciting feel anymore. I want that adrenaline back please ccp. Gameplay is boring imho. Make the movement smoother and faster.
Thank you. |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.10.12 03:19:00 -
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As long as the heavy gets it's old hp back, I'll support this. Otherwise strafing is fine |
Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
658
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Posted - 2012.10.12 03:21:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:As long as the heavy gets it's old hp back, I'll support this. Otherwise strafing is fine
Scouts spinning around heavies is how the game was intended to be played. Besides the issues with strafing was the hit detection. |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.10.12 03:31:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:As long as the heavy gets it's old hp back, I'll support this. Otherwise strafing is fine Scouts spinning around heavies is how the game was intended to be played. Besides the issues with strafing was the hit detection.
Similar for the heavy can be said, but it was most likely mainly QQ than lack of pew pews connecting |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.10.12 03:34:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40777&find=unread please take a look at this thread! |
crouchwalking SCRUB
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2012.10.12 07:04:00 -
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This too.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40688&p=1 |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.10.12 08:30:00 -
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Give me strafe speed. I'm sick of bunny hopping. |
Jack McReady
A.C.M.E Corp
71
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Posted - 2012.10.12 08:48:00 -
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the only strafe change needed is to balance it around all suits properly. having lower strafe speed is fine but only when the difference between all the suits is significant enough which at the moment is not the case. all speed stats are currently messed up, the speed difference between scout and assault is marginal but the gap in shield, armor and fittings is huge. |
Vickers S Grunt
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
67
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Posted - 2012.10.12 09:09:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:As long as the heavy gets it's old hp back, I'll support this. Otherwise strafing is fine Scouts spinning around heavies is how the game was intended to be played. Besides the issues with strafing was the hit detection.
To this i would say obviously its not how its was intended to be played or we would be playing it like that right now.
PS .Has any one ever seen this argument on a pc shooter ? I was wondering if the obsession with strafe speed was a purely controller based thing as ts so much easy-er to track a moving target with the mice that strafing has little effect .
Its been while since i played a pc shooter but i think its more about fast accurate aiming than dancing maby thats what ccp are aiming for ? |
Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
460
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Posted - 2012.10.12 09:14:00 -
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Vickers S Grunt wrote:
To this i would say obviously its not how its was intended to be played or we would be playing it like that right now.
so are you saying that the game is intended to be snipers or heavies only?
because that is what it's turning into at this rate.
by your logic why didn't they just remove the scout suit, it obviously doesn't do anything other than be shot and killed. |
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Vickers S Grunt
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
67
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Posted - 2012.10.12 09:21:00 -
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Necrodermis wrote:Vickers S Grunt wrote:
To this i would say obviously its not how its was intended to be played or we would be playing it like that right now.
so are you saying that the game is intended to be snipers or heavies only? because that is what it's turning into at this rate. by you're logic why didn't they just remove the scout suit, it obviously doesn't do anything other than be shot and killed.
No the reason for this is u are telling a massive over-exaggeration i would say hevys are only ever present in 1s and 2s
snipers maby a bit more but they are still both even added together much less than the AR assault guys
or are u saying all u see are snipers and hevys ?????
PS i have had some success with the standard scout suit its very good for using cover to fight whith due to its speed and recharge . I have however found that the days of charging bigger suits and relying on speed to keep u safe are gone
AND SO THEY SHOULD BE
i dono maby u should use the scout suit for something radical ...scouting |
Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
460
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Posted - 2012.10.12 09:26:00 -
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Vickers S Grunt wrote:
No the reason for this is u are telling a massive over-exaggeration i would say hevys are only ever present in 1s and 2s
snipers maby a bit more but they are still both even added together much less than the AR assault guys
or are u saying all u see are snipers and hevys ?????
when armor hardeners for dropsuits come in, yes there will be heavies filling the fields. |
Vickers S Grunt
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
67
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Posted - 2012.10.12 09:29:00 -
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AHH so now u are just guessing not basing it on actual things that are out there
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Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
460
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Posted - 2012.10.12 09:35:00 -
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Vickers S Grunt wrote:AHH so now u are just guessing not basing it on actual things that are out there
i play EVE i know what is out there.
it's going to be a vicious suit to have a 800+ HP heavy with 2-3 10% resist modules and a HMG with a logi standing right behind him. |
Your MonkeyWrench
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2012.10.12 09:46:00 -
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Buff strafing.
Nerf bunny hopping.
Fix aim. (y-axis is terribly slow)
I can't make it more simple. |
Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
460
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Posted - 2012.10.12 09:48:00 -
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Your MonkeyWrench wrote:Buff strafing.
Nerf bunny hopping.
Fix aim. (y-axis is terribly slow)
I can't make it more simple.
nerf hops
fix aim
buff strafe |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.10.12 10:57:00 -
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Its ok I are scouting wiv my active scanner beeep beep beep "all clear lads lets ...omg noooo wft everyone bunny hop arrrg"
Best skill points I evar spended.
CCP why you hate scouts so much?
Give game back strafe speed or its snozlefestcampageddon!!
Anyway I'm off to get some more of my corpmates killed.....
Beeep beep beep
They mostly come at night...mostly
Beep |
Vickers S Grunt
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
67
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Posted - 2012.10.12 11:27:00 -
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It says 10m man 10 m thats right inside the f%-úking room ! |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.10.12 11:47:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:The strafe nerf promotes camping on the already huge maps. Gameplay doesn't have the same exciting feel anymore. I want that adrenaline back please ccp. Gameplay is boring imho. Make the movement smoother and faster.
Thank you.
Not just strafing though. The game sorely needs an increase to movement speed overall. I was somewhat skeptical about this when I first started this build, but in all honesty I myself can sprint faster than our characters seem to, and that's kind of off. |
xSniper1982
We Are Ready
12
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Posted - 2012.10.12 11:54:00 -
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Your MonkeyWrench wrote:Buff strafing.
Nerf bunny hopping.
Fix aim. (y-axis is terribly slow)
I can't make it more simple.
I agree with this.
Also agree with the overall movement speed... it does seem a little too slow.
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Orin the Freak
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
334
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Posted - 2012.10.12 21:08:00 -
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wait... wait... nerf bunny hopping? what? do you just want to make it so we can't jump in combat or something? lmao. You can only jump twice in a row with an assault suit before you start failjumping and run out of stamina. any more and you are basically asking them to just remove the jump feature. which is ridiculous.
at any rate, strafing does need a buff. For all suits TBH. Nerfing strafe has made the heavy suit insanely powerful. This is why you see so many fat suits with HMG's now. they can actually hit people. The nerf essentially gave the fat suits the same "tracking" as say.. an assault suit.
I thought the same principals of EVE would apply here, the bigger they are, the slower they track. Similar to the way you can't hope to hit a frigate with a battleship in EVE, a heavy should have a hard time hitting a scout suit in DUST, that said, the scout suit should have an equally hard time killing that heavy before the heavies friends arrive to clean house.
But hey, maybe I'm wrong. maybe this is supposed to be gears of halo 3: modern battlefield. :P (it's a joke) |
Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
658
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Posted - 2012.10.14 06:45:00 -
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bump.
Please ccp. I want to dance again. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.10.14 06:46:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:bump. Please ccp. I want to dance again.
I just want to be able to get my boots out of all this molasses. |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2012.10.14 14:16:00 -
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It's probably a good idea if CCP takes everything Crimson MoonV wants in Dust and does the opposite. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.10.15 18:43:00 -
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Yeah, whatever Infinity. You're a sniper, I don't expect you to ask for high strafe. But I don't see you saying the reduce recoil on snipers is unnecessary. Which is blatantly is. 2shot kills have never been easier. But you won't say it's not needed, because it benefits you. Gz.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=41075&find=unread
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=41196&find=unread
2 threads which pertain to strafing, movement and gameplay. And how they're all complete ****.
We discuss things in general discussion... |
Tyrus Four
128
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Posted - 2012.10.15 20:17:00 -
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+1
Buff it.
Serious post, no troll Crimson.
also, Buff turning speed on the Heavy. |
Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
658
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Posted - 2012.10.15 21:44:00 -
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Tyrus Four wrote:+1
Buff it.
Serious post, no troll Crimson.
also, Buff turning speed on the Heavy.
Agreed, That was is a huge part of the problem heavies had when trying to track scouts.
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GIZMO2606
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
293
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Posted - 2012.10.15 22:55:00 -
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CCP should have waited on seeing if strafing needed a tweaking after this patch since hit detection is fixed now. |
Longshot Ravenwood
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
680
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Posted - 2012.10.16 03:11:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Yeah, whatever Infinity. You're a sniper, I don't expect you to ask for high strafe. But I don't see you saying the reduce recoil on snipers is unnecessary. Which is blatantly is. 2shot kills have never been easier. But you won't say it's not needed, because it benefits you. Gz. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=41075&find=unreadIcy Tiger wrote:I'm honestly trying to enjoy this game, but I must admit it's hard now. This build is bland. Tasteless. Sure, you can say that last build was all ballerinas. But ballet is better than this. Check any Euro gamer preview, and they say its bland and nothing special. We don't need a cover friendly, first to look/kill, game. There's tons of those out there. Last build, and replication, even E3 were unique. We don't need this. We need Dust.
Also, this is my fourth character this build. I built up a cool Assault fit and kicked ass, but realized I wasn't having fun, and made new ones just to find something unique using the Starter SP. I was disappointed. I realize it's a beta, so I'm trying to give feedback.
Edit: Also, what is up with the nerds/buffs at the same time? If you nerf one thing, do not buff its counterpart... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=41196&find=unreadDUST Fiend wrote:Perhaps they could consider adding a "strafe sprint" that consumes a lot of stamina quickly, but gives you a burst of speed while strafing, though you would be unable to shoot, just like normal sprinting. Aside from that, the pace is actually quite good now. I'd also like to point you to THIS thread, which just discusses the following: (these are just suggestions to get the mind rolling, please don't freak out if you don't agree)
- Dodge - Allow running while strafing (and list strafe speeds in suit statistics along with turning speeds).
- Duck - Switching back and forth between a normal run and a low profile run with crouch.
- Dip - Low profile run (use run command while crouched, disables jump and forces a roll or a tumble at the end of the run before stopping - can only be used when running forward).
- Dive -Tumble or Roll to end a normal run (while running press the crouch button).
- Dodge - Jumping while running with strafe causes the user to launch into sideways jump rather than a vertical jump.
2 threads which pertain to strafing, movement and gameplay. And how they're all complete ****. We discuss things in general discussion...
At one point one of the players participating in the discussion for the first post dismisses another player because "he wasn't a veteran". The current strafe speed probably isn't the final strafe speed, but that doesn't mean that we need a security blanket solution of "give me moar strafe speed ."
The second post was looking for other options, and devolved into a "buff strafe speed/don't buff strafe speed" argument with a good amount of name calling, ideas ignored under the cry of "MOAR STRAFE SPEED," and ignorance.
Don't forget:
Crimson MoonV wrote: If strafe speeds are increased you can still crouchwalk in a corner all you want.
and
Crimson MoonV wrote:If you can't understand that competitive gameplay has been butchered then I don't know how else to explain it to you. Of course you will be able dodge a scrubs bullets in a random lobby. That doesn't happen with these strafe speeds when two talented players go head to head.
Clearly when you have gungame you don't need cover, squadmates, strategy, or teamwork -- just strafe speed for your 1v1 gun fights. After all, we're playing Dust: 1v1. What else would we want to cater to? |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
385
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Posted - 2012.10.16 03:21:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:Tyrus Four wrote:+1
Buff it.
Serious post, no troll Crimson.
also, Buff turning speed on the Heavy. Agreed, That was is a huge part of the problem heavies had when trying to track scouts.
It was mainly the hit detection for me, literally kept the hmg centered on the scouts head with very few hits registering.
+1 |
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