yep, the type-2 variations are armor variation scouts who wishes they were logi's, they do solve the "logi not being able to keep up with other suits" problem though.

But it doesn't solve the fact that i will be one shotted by anyone

ever heard of shoot, kill, move on?

Ky'noke, before you go triple posting again, find the "edit" button.

Anyway, scouts are suppose to be squishy, they have hardly any body armor. If this were a "medieval" MMO, scouts would be wearing cloth armor. Not sure what problem you have with being squishy.

The ever diminishing difference between prototype gear and militia gear is probably one of the worst possible changes the "make the world flat" crowd has pushed for in this beta.

That sort of "balance" is based on the mistaken assumption that players of all levels will always be lumped together in matches exactly like the ones we have been fighting to date, and the strange conviction that a single player with no sp skills leveled and militia gear should always be able to kill a single player in prototype gear if they encounter each other on the field. All other things being equal.

Yes, you can fit a few more modules on the more advanced suits more easily. ANd yes more advanced modules on more advanced suits can give a player an advantage. But I would like to see a little more benefit from the A- series and prototype suits.

I'm sorry you got used to using to playing as a gun wielding ballerina capable of running faster than hit detection before the devs fixed it.

Please start using the suit for what it was designed for and provide feedback regarding that.

Scouts suits are designed to have a reduced stature & resulting hitbox when compared to other suits which makes them harder to sight on and hit at a distance. They also have a higher speed to allow them to move more quickly on the field for repositioning and hacking while enemy troops are being engaged by other units on the battlefield. The speed can give them an edge in close combat if they take advantage of their surroundings & utilize high damage short range weapons (like the shotgun).

That said, I use the dragonfly with a mass driver for everything, because I can. I don't have a very high survival rate but, seriously -- explosions.

u can fit more high end gear
isnt that enough of an advantage for ppl?
or do ppl srsly need a huge crutch?

here is the problem , they are " harder to sight on and hit at a distance" but also "speed can give them an edge in close combat" .You see how the two don't match?. So scout is good with a sniper rifle but when you want to go close combat you necessarily have to backstab or you die. So with shield getting reduced from t1 to t2 i will die even more(edit: and with the proto AR of doom, even more). And i dont like to die

A fully protoed out scout suit will have crud tonns more HP after you factor fits into it.

In eve as u skill into new ships the get better, more specialized. Why would u want that in an MMOFPS. just let them be able to fit better weapons and gear

So i'll spend 2M Sp to put a drop uplink , take a sniper and prey that a militia doesn't kill me? wtf seriously.

And that, is it a joke? :
t1: shield 90 , armor 100
t2: shield 70 , armor 130
SA: shield 90 , armor 100
SB: shield 70 , armor 130
vk0: shield 90 , armor 100
vk1: shield 70 , armor 130


And btw the 'draft saved' message sucks, it moves my screen every 5 sec.

The hp differences between standard, adv, and proto were removed last build. CCP did not intend for people to upgrade to get more hp. Fitting more/better modules is the reason for the better suits.

Guy has a point regarding mobility... Low HP yes. Slow dodging movement. Doesnt make sense.
Scouts move like heavies on lateral movements. Just dumb. "Hey, i can run forward fast but i right or left ? i'm suddenly a brick wall....-¦

And now hit detection is fixed. Unless slow straf is a crappy part of the fix, you wouldnt have any reason to complain about cheat or dance if it's raised again.

They are able to fit better gear. You can't fit prototype weapons and armor and damage mods on anything less than advanced, it's just a fact.

You get better suits becuase of how much powergrid and CPU they give you.

Trust me the difference between militia, and prototype suits WITH prototype mods. The tech 2 Assault suit has about with skills 300 shields. With a prototype tech 2 Assault you can fit 3 shield extender for just about 600 shield hp. Then you can equip more shield recharge. On top of that you get 2 equipment slots, and 3 lows. You could give your self more armor then heal yourself with a nanohive while waiting your shields goes back up to 600.

Not to mention some of the prototype weaons are amazing. The proto mass driver has crazy large radius. With skills it's 16m. That's crazy.

You can't just rush right to prototype suits in dust. You need to focus on support skills 1st. Without support skills you're just waiting an expensive suit that will get owned by militia gear. But if you spec into it you can serious put down some hurt.

4 proto damage weapon mods with a forge gun. My god that's a 40% increase in damage on such a large amount. Think forge guns are underpowered? Same with the HMG with plus 40% damage. Think about that.

They're trying to see if the extra Power Grid and CPU, as well as slots, are enough benefit for the advanced suit over the militia ones.

Personally, I think they need at least a little improvement, and definitely an improvement in other stats like HP regen or speed or precision.

4 proto damage weapon mods with a forge gun. My god that's a 40% increase in damage on such a large amount. Think forge guns are underpowered? Same with the HMG with plus 40% damage. Think about that.

Type 2 scout is awful and they should feel bad about not making the effort. Yay an armor tanked slow scout thats weaker than an assult.

Give it back its agility and the game speed or just remove this waste of space class.

u can fit more high end gear
isnt that enough of an advantage for ppl?
or do ppl srsly need a huge crutch?

Look at the difference between a level 1 assault suit, and a proto assault suit. Now look at the level 1 scout, the the proto scout. The evidence of how much they nerfed scouts is clear. Level 1 and proto scouts are almost identical. Its pointless to spend 90-100k for one, when on paper the lower ones are just as effective.

Who says you have to armor tank it just because it has more base armor than base shield?

It has pretty much the same movement and sprint speed and almost as much stamina as the type-I. The other differences is 15 more HP (30 less shield, 45 more armor) and an extra equipment slot in exchange for a sidearm. Oh and not to forget, a little more CPU and PG.

Would be interesting to see how many use the type 2 scouts. I'm guessing its very very few.

Anyway it should be totaly nerfed some more because you can take just about 7 AR milita rounds making it a little op. Added to that with so much cover around and its epic speed + leet steath its the best suit out.

I'm also glad to see the SMG has been buffed a huge ammount making it far better than an AR in CQB. See all those SMG scout running around hammering everyone..man its nice that they aint all having to use a shotgun to even stand a chance.


TBh I think its high time the scout actualy gets its speed nerfed abit to bring it inline with say a logistics or a heavy.

Look at the smg skill changes then get back to us.

Have they changed with this build?

Also, if you expect to beat an assault guy in a straight up gunfight, you would probably be better off in an assault suit. Just saying.

Lets not waste time making presumptions about what some one else thinks. However yes your right I would be better off in an assult as would every other scout out there.

If you need to ask about smg skill changes perhaps your not in a position to comment on them.