DUST Search - Dropship= New I win Button

wathak 514 wrote:

STYLIE77 wrote:

Sin3 DeusNomine wrote:

ReGnUM STBslayer DEI wrote:

Thoughts anyone?

Haha you no like dropships. :) Actually ReGnUM look at my dropship thread I do talk about a fix for this. A Hug problem is swarms follow the path you take and so you can outrun them in circles all day long. They need to make them take the shortest path towards dropships. also need to make a Anti Aircraft swarm that is faster but does less damage so it is not viable option against tanks also and LAVs

Dropship thread is on the second page of feedback. :P

Yup you can shoot swarm rockets at the drop ship all day long and only a few will hit if they are sitting still. Otherwise they can lazily drift in circles and avoid rockets.

When I say lazily, I mean someone with the reaction times of a slug can avoid rockets being shot by multiple players and barely lose 50% shields.

Rocket telemetry, speed and flight path all needs a buff.

Rockets are too weak, too slow, and very poor at tracking the target.

I would much rather just have a rocket that shoots straight so I can lead the target and actually hit the damned thing.

Right now, I have to wait for a lock on (wasting time) and then I watch as my rockets that fly so slow one is amazed that they stay in the air creep far behind the drop ship as the pilot leads them into walls and buildings with out much skill or effort.

The drop ship should not be nerfed. The problem is the rockets imo.

Right now the best way to take out a drop ship... is with another drop ship or tank.

Once again the swarm launcher is impotent in being effective against a vehicle... which of course is it sole intended purpose.

Hopefully CCP can fix this one pretty quick.

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Let me be clear. I don't think that one guy should be able to shoot down a Drop Ship with only one volley of swarm rockets. But if he is locked on with in 50m of the target... he should be able to land most of them on the drop ship.

Right now it doesn't play out that way due to the almost ridiculously slow speed at which the rockets travel.

Buff the rockets, leave the drop ships alone.

What u talking about a swarm missils tracking is horrendously wel u cant dodge them just out runthem then they send dropships for a whirl if they hit the pilot unexpectedly or just right to where u make the dropship crash. Swarms have enough dmg to eat through a well armored dropships tank most can take 3-4 shots befor going down or being in dire needs of repair. Yes a swarm missile is slow enough to where it cant match a dropships top speed but it takes a dropship a long time to go from a siting still hover to top speed then if u make a tight turn u lose ur sped and wam ur hit by a barrage of swarms thats built up over time. Dodging swarms are imposible and ive tried this i have actually flown straight over incomeing swarms so we are now heading in opposite directions which would cause most missels to lose a lock. My gunners then sit there in amazement as they watch the same missiles make a 90 degree turn and come straight back and ur telling me the tracking aint good enogh.

As i see it forge guns are abusive to dropships as there a big ass gun ment to take on tanks shooting at a fly with pinpoint percision. Now should they be able to hit us yes but at full strength no im thinking for the forge gun we use somethng similer to eves falloff system. This will eather make it so when a forger is shooting beyond a given distance appropriate for there strength of gun the bullit begins to fall off its path in a random direction makeing them somewhat like a musket in terms of bullet dynamics. Or we could have the dmg decrease as the bullit travels further again hampering a forgers ability to place sniper shots from sniping distances that kill anyone in one shot. This could be explained as the los of plasma and energy over long ranges

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STYLIE77 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 60	Posted - 2012.10.10 05:24:00 - [31] - Quote Sin3 DeusNomine wrote: ReGnUM STBslayer DEI wrote: Thoughts anyone? Haha you no like dropships. :) Actually ReGnUM look at my dropship thread I do talk about a fix for this. A Hug problem is swarms follow the path you take and so you can outrun them in circles all day long. They need to make them take the shortest path towards dropships. also need to make a Anti Aircraft swarm that is faster but does less damage so it is not viable option against tanks also and LAVs Dropship thread is on the second page of feedback. :P Yup you can shoot swarm rockets at the drop ship all day long and only a few will hit if they are sitting still. Otherwise they can lazily drift in circles and avoid rockets. When I say lazily, I mean someone with the reaction times of a slug can avoid rockets being shot by multiple players and barely lose 50% shields. Rocket telemetry, speed and flight path all needs a buff. Rockets are too weak, too slow, and very poor at tracking the target. I would much rather just have a rocket that shoots straight so I can lead the target and actually hit the damned thing. Right now, I have to wait for a lock on (wasting time) and then I watch as my rockets that fly so slow one is amazed that they stay in the air creep far behind the drop ship as the pilot leads them into walls and buildings with out much skill or effort. The drop ship should not be nerfed. The problem is the rockets imo. Right now the best way to take out a drop ship... is with another drop ship or tank. Once again the swarm launcher is impotent in being effective against a vehicle... which of course is it sole intended purpose. Hopefully CCP can fix this one pretty quick. ====================== Let me be clear. I don't think that one guy should be able to shoot down a Drop Ship with only one volley of swarm rockets. But if he is locked on with in 50m of the target... he should be able to land most of them on the drop ship. Right now it doesn't play out that way due to the almost ridiculously slow speed at which the rockets travel. Buff the rockets, leave the drop ships alone.
wathak 514 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 106	Posted - 2012.10.10 06:12:00 - [32] - Quote STYLIE77 wrote: Sin3 DeusNomine wrote: ReGnUM STBslayer DEI wrote: Thoughts anyone? Haha you no like dropships. :) Actually ReGnUM look at my dropship thread I do talk about a fix for this. A Hug problem is swarms follow the path you take and so you can outrun them in circles all day long. They need to make them take the shortest path towards dropships. also need to make a Anti Aircraft swarm that is faster but does less damage so it is not viable option against tanks also and LAVs Dropship thread is on the second page of feedback. :P Yup you can shoot swarm rockets at the drop ship all day long and only a few will hit if they are sitting still. Otherwise they can lazily drift in circles and avoid rockets. When I say lazily, I mean someone with the reaction times of a slug can avoid rockets being shot by multiple players and barely lose 50% shields. Rocket telemetry, speed and flight path all needs a buff. Rockets are too weak, too slow, and very poor at tracking the target. I would much rather just have a rocket that shoots straight so I can lead the target and actually hit the damned thing. Right now, I have to wait for a lock on (wasting time) and then I watch as my rockets that fly so slow one is amazed that they stay in the air creep far behind the drop ship as the pilot leads them into walls and buildings with out much skill or effort. The drop ship should not be nerfed. The problem is the rockets imo. Right now the best way to take out a drop ship... is with another drop ship or tank. Once again the swarm launcher is impotent in being effective against a vehicle... which of course is it sole intended purpose. Hopefully CCP can fix this one pretty quick. ====================== Let me be clear. I don't think that one guy should be able to shoot down a Drop Ship with only one volley of swarm rockets. But if he is locked on with in 50m of the target... he should be able to land most of them on the drop ship. Right now it doesn't play out that way due to the almost ridiculously slow speed at which the rockets travel. Buff the rockets, leave the drop ships alone. What u talking about a swarm missils tracking is horrendously wel u cant dodge them just out runthem then they send dropships for a whirl if they hit the pilot unexpectedly or just right to where u make the dropship crash. Swarms have enough dmg to eat through a well armored dropships tank most can take 3-4 shots befor going down or being in dire needs of repair. Yes a swarm missile is slow enough to where it cant match a dropships top speed but it takes a dropship a long time to go from a siting still hover to top speed then if u make a tight turn u lose ur sped and wam ur hit by a barrage of swarms thats built up over time. Dodging swarms are imposible and ive tried this i have actually flown straight over incomeing swarms so we are now heading in opposite directions which would cause most missels to lose a lock. My gunners then sit there in amazement as they watch the same missiles make a 90 degree turn and come straight back and ur telling me the tracking aint good enogh. As i see it forge guns are abusive to dropships as there a big ass gun ment to take on tanks shooting at a fly with pinpoint percision. Now should they be able to hit us yes but at full strength no im thinking for the forge gun we use somethng similer to eves falloff system. This will eather make it so when a forger is shooting beyond a given distance appropriate for there strength of gun the bullit begins to fall off its path in a random direction makeing them somewhat like a musket in terms of bullet dynamics. Or we could have the dmg decrease as the bullit travels further again hampering a forgers ability to place sniper shots from sniping distances that kill anyone in one shot. This could be explained as the los of plasma and energy over long ranges
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2866	Posted - 2012.10.10 06:34:00 - [33] - Quote How to kill a dropship with swarm launchers. Shoot at its rear end do not fire while he's looking at you.
Keradil Ledeuxieme Doomheim 24	Posted - 2012.10.10 06:36:00 - [34] - Quote wathak 514 wrote: STYLIE77 wrote: Sin3 DeusNomine wrote: ReGnUM STBslayer DEI wrote: Thoughts anyone? Haha you no like dropships. :) Actually ReGnUM look at my dropship thread I do talk about a fix for this. A Hug problem is swarms follow the path you take and so you can outrun them in circles all day long. They need to make them take the shortest path towards dropships. also need to make a Anti Aircraft swarm that is faster but does less damage so it is not viable option against tanks also and LAVs Dropship thread is on the second page of feedback. :P Yup you can shoot swarm rockets at the drop ship all day long and only a few will hit if they are sitting still. Otherwise they can lazily drift in circles and avoid rockets. When I say lazily, I mean someone with the reaction times of a slug can avoid rockets being shot by multiple players and barely lose 50% shields. Rocket telemetry, speed and flight path all needs a buff. Rockets are too weak, too slow, and very poor at tracking the target. I would much rather just have a rocket that shoots straight so I can lead the target and actually hit the damned thing. Right now, I have to wait for a lock on (wasting time) and then I watch as my rockets that fly so slow one is amazed that they stay in the air creep far behind the drop ship as the pilot leads them into walls and buildings with out much skill or effort. The drop ship should not be nerfed. The problem is the rockets imo. Right now the best way to take out a drop ship... is with another drop ship or tank. Once again the swarm launcher is impotent in being effective against a vehicle... which of course is it sole intended purpose. Hopefully CCP can fix this one pretty quick. ====================== Let me be clear. I don't think that one guy should be able to shoot down a Drop Ship with only one volley of swarm rockets. But if he is locked on with in 50m of the target... he should be able to land most of them on the drop ship. Right now it doesn't play out that way due to the almost ridiculously slow speed at which the rockets travel. Buff the rockets, leave the drop ships alone. What u talking about a swarm missils tracking is horrendously wel u cant dodge them just out runthem then they send dropships for a whirl if they hit the pilot unexpectedly or just right to where u make the dropship crash. Swarms have enough dmg to eat through a well armored dropships tank most can take 3-4 shots befor going down or being in dire needs of repair. Yes a swarm missile is slow enough to where it cant match a dropships top speed but it takes a dropship a long time to go from a siting still hover to top speed then if u make a tight turn u lose ur sped and wam ur hit by a barrage of swarms thats built up over time. Dodging swarms are imposible and ive tried this i have actually flown straight over incomeing swarms so we are now heading in opposite directions which would cause most missels to lose a lock. My gunners then sit there in amazement as they watch the same missiles make a 90 degree turn and come straight back and ur telling me the tracking aint good enogh. As i see it forge guns are abusive to dropships as there a big ass gun ment to take on tanks shooting at a fly with pinpoint percision. Now should they be able to hit us yes but at full strength no im thinking for the forge gun we use somethng similer to eves falloff system. This will eather make it so when a forger is shooting beyond a given distance appropriate for there strength of gun the bullit begins to fall off its path in a random direction makeing them somewhat like a musket in terms of bullet dynamics. Or we could have the dmg decrease as the bullit travels further again hampering a forgers ability to place sniper shots from sniping distances that kill anyone in one shot. This could be explained as the los of plasma and energy over long ranges Right, because the forge gun needs to be nerfed to the point of being unusable. Also, vehicles need to be able to last an entire round unopposed. Reasoning like this makes me happy I am training forge guns. I love knocking dropships out of the sky, one shoting LAVS and ripping tanks apart who are single handedly holding my team at bay. Right now, forge guns are a good counter to vehicle pilots, who otherwise decimate enemy infantry.
Reout Karaal Doomheim 85	Posted - 2012.10.10 07:55:00 - [35] - Quote LOL I wonder if any of the people who say dropships should be nerfed (and swarms buffed because of dropships) ever tried to fly. I run AV and I manage to solo a dropship. Unless the pilot stays in red zone for prolonged time he will die sooner or later, just use his damn blind zone. There is still no chance to solo a tank in this game, even now, swarms are laughable against them. But no, let's nerf the flying casket, because it can run. Why do I call it that? Because I've killed few of them and recently I'm trying to master one. Sure, I can outrun swarms... unless you shoot me in the back during my sweep (not fly-through!), which is a 50/50 chance of flipping me or pushing me on nearby structures or slamming me in the ground. I shout for my people to jump ****, but we mostly get crushed anyway (low altitude jumps, lol). It's only militia, so it's like 200k a pop, no biggie. Oh, yeah, I can only get negative KDR while I pilot this thing, because for some reason tank pilot controls the main cannon and DS pilot can only be responsible for his/hers bladder. Best case scenario I go 0/0. A win button indeed. Oh, did you mean that it's a win button for my gunners? Sheeeeit, son, let's punish me then, good idea. Also guys spamming with OB fired 3 successive strikes yesterday just to take me down and the third one worked -- I did not see that coming. I just wonder why isn't everybody speccing into DS now, like it was in the tank world build. When tanks were a win button everybody specced into them. Is it because DS pilots can not pew pew? Or because single swarmer/forger/railgun operator can kill your vehicle before you notice where is fire coming from? How about you either learn to run AV properly or hide from the vehicles, instead of breaking the game in another way?
Gunner Needed The Southern Legion 111	Posted - 2012.10.10 22:46:00 - [36] - Quote just wait until forge guns show there heads again. we get no love
The Polish Hammer Doomheim 373	Posted - 2012.10.10 22:50:00 - [37] - Quote Gunner Needed wrote: just wait until forge guns show there heads again. we get no love We're already here
Bubbles moon Algintal Core Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2012.10.10 22:50:00 - [38] - Quote slap26 wrote: i went with a forge gunning heavy on one of my alts and that thing is a dropship's worse nightmare guys guys, wait for people to skill up. This is only natural lol. Did you know AV gernades will hom in on a drop ship? Just climb a crazy tall ladder drop a nanohive and make that dropship down. Plus putting a drop uplink on top of a building, and then spawning as a forge gun heavy? Classic. In other words, ladders are the new counter to dropships.
Governor Odius Doomheim 177	Posted - 2012.10.10 22:52:00 - [39] - Quote Gotta love that infantry can now go higher than dropships.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1903	Posted - 2012.10.10 23:00:00 - [40] - Quote Forge guns kill dropships, swarm launchers keep them moving. Seriously, people actually have trouble killing dropships now? Even with the new height ceiling? People are so bad at life.

Ky'noke Vyrus Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 21	Posted - 2012.10.10 23:02:00 - [41] - Quote This sounds a lot like the "nerf strafing" posts when it was really hit detection the whole time. LEAVE THE GAME BE UNTIL EVERYTHING IS IMPLEMEMTED! does anyone know what a webifier is?
Gunner Needed The Southern Legion 111	Posted - 2012.10.10 23:03:00 - [42] - Quote The Polish Hammer wrote: Gunner Needed wrote: just wait until forge guns show there heads again. we get no love We're already here lol! but honestly my ship has 5000 on its shields, i dont even try to avoid single swarm gunners...until yesterday "oh here comes a swarm, ill just let it hit the bottom so I dont fly into the ground at 100 miles an hour" KA-BOOM! 1 load did at least 2500 damage. so spec your missiles dude, theres a BIG diffferance Oh and dont bother with Forge guns they just dont work against us.................
The Polish Hammer Doomheim 373	Posted - 2012.10.10 23:11:00 - [43] - Quote Gunner Needed wrote: The Polish Hammer wrote: Gunner Needed wrote: just wait until forge guns show there heads again. we get no love We're already here lol! but honestly my ship has 5000 on its shields, i dont even try to avoid single swarm gunners...until yesterday "oh here comes a swarm, ill just let it hit the bottom so I dont fly into the ground at 100 miles an hour" KA-BOOM! 1 load did at least 2500 damage. so spec your missiles dude, theres a BIG diffferance Oh and dont bother with Forge guns they just dont work against us................. I'll take that challenge.
Gunner Needed The Southern Legion 111	Posted - 2012.10.10 23:16:00 - [44] - Quote The Polish Hammer wrote: Gunner Needed wrote: The Polish Hammer wrote: Gunner Needed wrote: just wait until forge guns show there heads again. we get no love We're already here lol! but honestly my ship has 5000 on its shields, i dont even try to avoid single swarm gunners...until yesterday "oh here comes a swarm, ill just let it hit the bottom so I dont fly into the ground at 100 miles an hour" KA-BOOM! 1 load did at least 2500 damage. so spec your missiles dude, theres a BIG diffferance Oh and dont bother with Forge guns they just dont work against us................. I'll take that challenge. DAMN
crazy space ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2012.10.10 23:19:00 - [45] - Quote The Polish Hammer wrote: Gunner Needed wrote: The Polish Hammer wrote: Gunner Needed wrote: just wait until forge guns show there heads again. we get no love We're already here lol! but honestly my ship has 5000 on its shields, i dont even try to avoid single swarm gunners...until yesterday "oh here comes a swarm, ill just let it hit the bottom so I dont fly into the ground at 100 miles an hour" KA-BOOM! 1 load did at least 2500 damage. so spec your missiles dude, theres a BIG diffferance Oh and dont bother with Forge guns they just dont work against us................. I'll take that challenge. Right on my brother
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 742	Posted - 2012.10.10 23:36:00 - [46] - Quote Bad thread is bad.
l8erXD Bragian Order Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2012.10.10 23:38:00 - [47] - Quote ReGnUM STBslayer DEI wrote: Thoughts anyone? Just another STB junkie everyone. There is still a future ahead for all of us...
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2012.10.11 00:49:00 - [48] - Quote ReGnUM STBslayer DEI wrote: Thoughts anyone? So, far, on none of my characters this build, have I seen someone use a dropship. Assault rifles are the win button right now.
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 969	Posted - 2012.10.11 01:23:00 - [49] - Quote OMG! Look at that huge thing in the sky! I shoot at it ALL THE TIME and it takes the ENTIRE MATCH to blow it up! You really need to nerf that kittening kitten MCC, or this game will FAIL!!!
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2012.10.11 01:35:00 - [50] - Quote ReGnUM STBslayer DEI wrote: Fiasco Llana wrote: ReGnUM STBslayer DEI wrote: Thoughts anyone? Lol, no. Really cause I just played a guy who went 47-0 in the dropship and no could shoot him down LOL How was a pilot getting kills?

Rhadiem Algintal Core Gallente Federation 496	Posted - 2012.10.11 05:15:00 - [51] - Quote The only time I've seen a dropship this build, it died within minutes, and hid most of the time. I've never taken any damage from a dropship weapon, and am actually happy people are reporting them out there. Personally, I don't have that kind of money to throw away 1/2 a million isk or so for a couple minute joyride when I'm getting ~100k / match. My swarm launcher is gathering dust.. bring back the vehicles.
Rhadiem Algintal Core Gallente Federation 496	Posted - 2012.10.11 05:17:00 - [52] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: ReGnUM STBslayer DEI wrote: Fiasco Llana wrote: ReGnUM STBslayer DEI wrote: Thoughts anyone? Lol, no. Really cause I just played a guy who went 47-0 in the dropship and no could shoot him down LOL How was a pilot getting kills? this. Answer - he wasn't. And if Dropships act like Mobile MCU's in vehicles, he wasn't getting any SP for being a mobile spawn location either. He got hella nerfed though.
crazy space ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2012.10.11 08:26:00 - [53] - Quote he got kills for his gunners?
STYLIE77 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 60	Posted - 2012.10.11 10:18:00 - [54] - Quote Buff swarm launcher rocket speed. Leave drop ship specs and mechanics alone.
Riot Ruckus Doomheim 56	Posted - 2012.10.11 11:09:00 - [55] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: The Polish Hammer wrote: This is absolute crap. I mean no offense by that, but I can take out dropships just fine. You actually need people going after it (first off). Secondly, why is no one considering the usefulness of the forge gun against dropships??? I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS! Not a lot of people got to use the skills for Forge Guns... Yet
Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.10.11 12:19:00 - [56] - Quote Lost 3 myrons so far because yes I'm an awful pilot and need to get good but also because every time the swarms punched me into the ground. Ground + swarm kinetic physics > Any AV damage
Miss Practice 30	Posted - 2012.10.11 12:24:00 - [57] - Quote Sha Kharn Clone wrote: Lost 3 myrons so far because yes I'm an awful pilot and need to get good but also because every time the swarms punched me into the ground. Ground + swarm kinetic physics > Any AV damage Fly in circles faster.
Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.10.11 12:31:00 - [58] - Quote Thanks
Smoke2Bowls ZionTCD Legacy Rising 93	Posted - 2012.10.11 22:46:00 - [59] - Quote Quick note on Drop Ship WP system. There isn't one. Driver gets 35 points for vehichle assist. And it never changes. With out without squad orders. To protect ship, pilot, gunner, nothin.
2chase3 Bragian Order Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2012.10.11 23:29:00 - [60] - Quote I have thoughts yeah, Anti-Armor (starter) is vastly over powered.. Why grind to finally get a drop ship, ungodly skills needed, then ungodly ISK paid..The bare minimum Dropship with no armor shield or gun upgrades is 220k... Now go through several of these just learning to fly the thing. Along comes some guy with no eye-hand coordination yet he has a anti armor gun which basically a monkey could lock it on ..release fire..and the damn thing is guided in with no skill to blow all the hard work out of the air.. Yes.. anti -Armor...IS VASTLY overpowered.



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