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Zion Shad wrote:

ZionTCD just throw up a Corp battle contract to help train some of our guys and BetaMax was more then happy to pick it up. The game went great and BetaMax won, but all and all it was a great game and look forward to the Official Challenge match.

Great Game Jenza and Crew Blink

Sincerely,
ZionTCD CEO
ZionShad

EDIT: Thanks Jenza for the report Smile

jenza aranda wrote:

battle report

Planet = Deven II

Attacker Zion TCD
Contracted by State Protectorate

a dirty shisno - 2/10 - 775
Dino Malice - 2/7 - 720
Maximus Creed - 3/12 - 635
4447 - 7/4 - 500
Zion Shad - 3/8 - 400
Ruthra V25 - 7/5 - 390
Valentine Crendre 1/9 - 200
Kellyn Whiteheart - 1/9 - 190

Defender Betamax Beta

Cyn Bruin - 9/2 - 2401
Mr Zitro - 13/3 - 2142
Omnipotens Zitro - 14/5 - 2050
jenza aranda - 12/4 - 1665
Tiel Syysch - 4/0 - 965
Nahtlog - 3/6 - 759
Sleepy Zan - 3/2 - 625
Steadyhand amarr - 4/7 450

BetaMax took out our MCC with 75% armor left on their own

Note to CCP: I disagree with being put in a map with 5 objective and having team set only to 8v8. Its doable but the Biomass map with A-E gives a lot of people Hard Lag.

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Zion Shad ZionTCD Legacy Rising 1620	Posted - 2012.10.08 21:25:00 - [1] - Quote ZionTCD just throw up a Corp battle contract to help train some of our guys and BetaMax was more then happy to pick it up. The game went great and BetaMax won, but all and all it was a great game and look forward to the Official Challenge match. Great Game Jenza and Crew Sincerely, ZionTCD CEO ZionShad EDIT: Thanks Jenza for the report jenza aranda wrote: battle report Planet = Deven II Attacker Zion TCD Contracted by State Protectorate a dirty shisno - 2/10 - 775 Dino Malice - 2/7 - 720 Maximus Creed - 3/12 - 635 4447 - 7/4 - 500 Zion Shad - 3/8 - 400 Ruthra V25 - 7/5 - 390 Valentine Crendre 1/9 - 200 Kellyn Whiteheart - 1/9 - 190 Defender Betamax Beta Cyn Bruin - 9/2 - 2401 Mr Zitro - 13/3 - 2142 Omnipotens Zitro - 14/5 - 2050 jenza aranda - 12/4 - 1665 Tiel Syysch - 4/0 - 965 Nahtlog - 3/6 - 759 Sleepy Zan - 3/2 - 625 Steadyhand amarr - 4/7 450 BetaMax took out our MCC with 75% armor left on their own Note to CCP: I disagree with being put in a map with 5 objective and having team set only to 8v8. Its doable but the Biomass map with A-E gives a lot of people Hard Lag. CCP Nullarbor wrote: Thanks for the feedback guys, we might change the map down to a smaller size then. I'll let you know if / when we do that. Any thoughts on what skirmish sizes are appropriate for 8v8 and 12v12?
DEADPOOL5241 Doomheim 212	Posted - 2012.10.08 21:27:00 - [2] - Quote Zion Shad wrote: ZionTCD just throw up a Corp battle contract to help train some of our guys and BetaMax was more then happy to pick it up. The game went great and BetaMax won, but all and all it was a great game and look forward to the Official Challenge match. Great Game Jenza and Crew Sincerely, ZionTCD CEO ZionShad Note to CCP: I disagree with being put in a map with 5 objective and having team set only to 8v8. Its doable but the Biomass map with A-E gives a lot of people Hard Lag. Really 5 letter maps with 8's? you do more running around then actually playing. Well its better then nothing.
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2047	Posted - 2012.10.08 21:28:00 - [3] - Quote GG guys, sorry I couldn't get out there and go pew pew. Memory leak from the start of the battle.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.10.08 21:29:00 - [4] - Quote ROSTER!!! Who played for each team!!! Only thing anyone gives a crap about :P
jenza aranda BetaMax. 1005	Posted - 2012.10.08 21:36:00 - [5] - Quote battle report Planet = Deven II Attacker Zion TCD Contracted by State Protectorate a dirty shisno - 2/10 - 775 Dino Malice - 2/7 - 720 Maximus Creed - 3/12 - 635 4447 - 7/4 - 500 Zion Shad - 3/8 - 400 Ruthra V25 - 7/5 - 390 Valentine Crendre 1/9 - 200 Kellyn Whiteheart - 1/9 - 190 Defender Betamax Beta Cyn Bruin - 9/2 - 2401 Mr Zitro - 13/3 - 2142 Omnipotens Zitro - 14/5 - 2050 jenza aranda - 12/4 - 1665 Tiel Syysch - 4/0 - 965 Nahtlog - 3/6 - 759 Sleepy Zan - 3/2 - 625 Steadyhand amarr - 4/7 450
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 385	Posted - 2012.10.08 21:39:00 - [6] - Quote I foretold this fight...
Icy Tiger 63	Posted - 2012.10.08 21:42:00 - [7] - Quote Good game, sorry I couldn't join but a previous corp battle had me backing my HDD up.
Cyn Bruin Imperfects Negative-Feedback 651	Posted - 2012.10.08 21:45:00 - [8] - Quote Good match but HORRIBLE lag. Same 5pt map from last build that people have been complaining about, always gives lag and hard freezes. And yes 8v8 on any 5pt map is... not fun.
Revelations 514 Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 38	Posted - 2012.10.08 21:47:00 - [9] - Quote damn. Wish I coulda been there. Stuck at work makes me hate work. Good stuff though! Thanks to Zion for posting and starting up the contract yo!
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.10.08 21:57:00 - [10] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: battle report Planet = Deven II Attacker Zion TCD Contracted by State Protectorate a dirty shisno - 2/10 - 775 Dino Malice - 2/7 - 720 Maximus Creed - 3/12 - 635 4447 - 7/4 - 500 Zion Shad - 3/8 - 400 Ruthra V25 - 7/5 - 390 Valentine Crendre 1/9 - 200 Kellyn Whiteheart - 1/9 - 190 Defender Betamax Beta Cyn Bruin - 9/2 - 2401 Mr Zitro - 13/3 - 2142 Omnipotens Zitro - 14/5 - 2050 jenza aranda - 12/4 - 1665 Tiel Syysch - 4/0 - 965 Nahtlog - 3/6 - 759 Sleepy Zan - 3/2 - 625 Steadyhand amarr - 4/7 450 Solid teams. My money would have been on Betamax with those squads. I hear Betamaxs MCC was half armour, so well played. Given the KDR difference, it sounds like you played hard.

Ima Leet Imperfects Negative-Feedback 321	Posted - 2012.10.08 22:05:00 - [11] - Quote is that the only map CvC will be on? if so yes i totally disagree cause that is the very problematic map, i quit that map if it ever comes up with the battle finder GG guys/gals
Baracka Flocka Flame SyNergy Gaming 334	Posted - 2012.10.08 22:16:00 - [12] - Quote 8v8 on 5pt map? Sounds intense lol
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.10.08 22:16:00 - [13] - Quote Thanks for posting rosters btw.

CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 540	Posted - 2012.10.08 22:18:00 - [14] - Quote Thanks for the feedback guys, we might change the map down to a smaller size then. I'll let you know if / when we do that. Any thoughts on what skirmish sizes are appropriate for 8v8 and 12v12?

Baracka Flocka Flame SyNergy Gaming 334	Posted - 2012.10.08 22:25:00 - [15] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Thanks for the feedback guys, we might change the map down to a smaller size then. I'll let you know if / when we do that. Any thoughts on what skirmish sizes are appropriate for 8v8 and 12v12? 3objective maps would be best for 12v12 and maybe 8v8.
Debacle Nano Shadow Company HQ 639	Posted - 2012.10.08 22:25:00 - [16] - Quote 8v8 = E3 Map & Spikey rock map 12v12 = Warbarge tower map/E3/Spikey rock map
Adaris Knight Bragian Order Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2012.10.08 22:31:00 - [17] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Thanks for the feedback guys, we might change the map down to a smaller size then. I'll let you know if / when we do that. Any thoughts on what skirmish sizes are appropriate for 8v8 and 12v12? the one map with abcd whould be good i think its plateau or the sniper heaven map the one with all the spikey rocks i don't know the name of the map. also it should be 16 on 16 at least i think so
Grimmiers ZionTCD Legacy Rising 158	Posted - 2012.10.08 22:35:00 - [18] - Quote Any reason as to why corp battles are 8v8? Is it to balance money awards? I hope I can get in another match vs Betamax.
crazy space ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2012.10.08 22:52:00 - [19] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Thanks for the feedback guys, we might change the map down to a smaller size then. I'll let you know if / when we do that. Any thoughts on what skirmish sizes are appropriate for 8v8 and 12v12? Three 4 man squads, three points, not hard so for 12v12 3 points For 8v8, 2 points Just make an ambush sized map with only the MCC, or a different goal other than kill
GLOO GLOO Algintal Core Gallente Federation 217	Posted - 2012.10.08 22:57:00 - [20] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Thanks for the feedback guys, we might change the map down to a smaller size then. I'll let you know if / when we do that. Any thoughts on what skirmish sizes are appropriate for 8v8 and 12v12? Like Mercs mates : 8vs8 --> 3pts, 12vs12 --> 4 pts, 16vs16 --> 5 pts. But to be honest, with thoose maps, to be a MMO/FPS, it might be : 16vs16 --> 3 pts, 24vs24 --> 4 pts, 32vs32 --> 5 pts

steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 338	Posted - 2012.10.08 22:57:00 - [21] - Quote 8v8 i would say 3 point maps. 5 is defo way to big, 12v12 would work with 5 due to have 4 squads being able to defend and push points. however the lag on the 5 point maps needs to be fixed, my fps dropped like a rock and found a lot of my shots were not regging even at point blank on C(biomass), which is not good when its a heavy your shooting :P. i also know another squad member sat out the match and just did OSs as he was like me and could barely move. other feed back, once the contract is posted can we hit the lobby rather than waiting till set time and then waiting another 10 minutes. i think it would be better if lobby opened 10 minutes before the start time shown and then jump in once it hits the agreed time. as if we doing a corp battle the people involved already know what time they need to be their. (this reflects my personal views and not! betamax corp)
SoLJae ZionTCD Legacy Rising 351	Posted - 2012.10.08 23:22:00 - [22] - Quote Zion Shad wrote: ZionTCD just throw up a Corp battle contract to help train some of our guys and BetaMax was more then happy to pick it up. The game went great and BetaMax won, but all and all it was a great game and look forward to the Official Challenge match. Great Game Jenza and Crew Sincerely, ZionTCD CEO ZionShad Note to CCP: I disagree with being put in a map with 5 objective and having team set only to 8v8. Its doable but the Biomass map with A-E gives a lot of people Hard Lag. Bravo to BetaMax and congrats on your temporary victory. I am so proud of our leader Zion Shad for charging in with the crew he was given and getting our feet wet, testing the waters so to speak. Way to get things rolling y'all!
Enebreated Imperfects Negative-Feedback 13	Posted - 2012.10.08 23:44:00 - [23] - Quote Congrats to both sides of the inaugural Betamax v Zion TCD battle! I've no doubt there will be rematches in the future and i look forward to being a part of the Betamax cough Winning cough cough side. :) As for maps, pull the 5 point until its stable. 8 v 8 = 3 points and 12 v 12 = 4 points. That way, at all times there COULD be a point open for capture. (In all seriousness: respect to the Zion crew, facing any of you on the battlefield is always fun and a gg)
The Polish Hammer Doomheim 373	Posted - 2012.10.08 23:53:00 - [24] - Quote Glad to see that there is some good sportsmanship going on here. Was worried this would get out of hand. Wish I could have been there : /
Zion Shad ZionTCD Legacy Rising 1620	Posted - 2012.10.09 00:54:00 - [25] - Quote Sleepy Zan wrote: GG guys, sorry I couldn't get out there and go pew pew. Memory leak from the start of the battle. Dude Zan and Rev, I didnGÇÖt want to bring up the lag because I didnGÇÖt want to sound like we were making excuses for the loss (so easy to blame lag) But it was terrible. Both sides suffered. Truly wasnGÇÖt the finest of match up. But all in all was fun and lest set up the 10 mill how about tomorrow night
lobo christy Bragian Order Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2012.10.09 00:56:00 - [26] - Quote Yes we won !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
KryptixX Imperfects Negative-Feedback 321	Posted - 2012.10.09 00:59:00 - [27] - Quote Zion Shad wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: GG guys, sorry I couldn't get out there and go pew pew. Memory leak from the start of the battle. Dude Zan and Rev, I didnGÇÖt want to bring up the lag because I didnGÇÖt want to sound like we were making excuses for the loss (so easy to blame lag) But it was terrible. Both sides suffered. Truly wasnGÇÖt the finest of match up. But all in all was fun and lest set up the 10 mill how about tomorrow night The lag really is horrible on the 5 point maps, played the first couple with them and there were points i would be running and end up face first in a wall.
Zion Shad ZionTCD Legacy Rising 1620	Posted - 2012.10.09 01:03:00 - [28] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Thanks for the feedback guys, we might change the map down to a smaller size then. I'll let you know if / when we do that. Any thoughts on what skirmish sizes are appropriate for 8v8 and 12v12? 8v8 to 12v12 around 3 objectives or a pure death match game setting. 12v12 to 16v16 would work 4. 24v24 or higher for 5 objectives. This way you have enough squads to control over 50% of objectives, but even at this itGÇÖs still a little low.
4447 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 649	Posted - 2012.10.09 01:03:00 - [29] - Quote good game, we're be ready next time need to sort out that hacking bug to.
Illuminaughty-696 Omega Risk Control Services 202	Posted - 2012.10.09 03:39:00 - [30] - Quote Not sure the ideal size, but after doing a couple of corp matches, 5 objectives is too many for 8 v 8. That is all I can confirm as that is what we played on. Too big, too little contact.

MAXXX BETA 12	Posted - 2012.10.09 03:40:00 - [31] - Quote lobo christy wrote: Yes we won !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We the best. BETAMAX>ZION Get good scrubs.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.10.09 04:08:00 - [32] - Quote Zion Shad wrote: ZionTCD just throw up a Corp battle contract to help train some of our guys and BetaMax was more then happy to pick it up. The game went great and BetaMax won, but all and all it was a great game and look forward to the Official Challenge match. Great Game Jenza and Crew Sincerely, ZionTCD CEO ZionShad EDIT: Thanks Jenza for the report jenza aranda wrote: battle report Planet = Deven II Attacker Zion TCD Contracted by State Protectorate a dirty shisno - 2/10 - 775 Dino Malice - 2/7 - 720 Maximus Creed - 3/12 - 635 4447 - 7/4 - 500 Zion Shad - 3/8 - 400 Ruthra V25 - 7/5 - 390 Valentine Crendre 1/9 - 200 Kellyn Whiteheart - 1/9 - 190 Defender Betamax Beta Cyn Bruin - 9/2 - 2401 Mr Zitro - 13/3 - 2142 Omnipotens Zitro - 14/5 - 2050 jenza aranda - 12/4 - 1665 Tiel Syysch - 4/0 - 965 Nahtlog - 3/6 - 759 Sleepy Zan - 3/2 - 625 Steadyhand amarr - 4/7 450 BetaMax took out our MCC with 75% armor left on their own Note to CCP: I disagree with being put in a map with 5 objective and having team set only to 8v8. Its doable but the Biomass map with A-E gives a lot of people Hard Lag. Lord, I was reversed from fps to spf on that map earlier today. The only way I could move reliably was to hang around the outside objectives. Also, I wish I could have been in that fight with you all, but I'm hardly one of our better players.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.10.09 04:09:00 - [33] - Quote MAXXX BETA wrote: lobo christy wrote: Yes we won !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We the best. BETAMAX>ZION Get good scrubs. And in comes this jackass again. Give it up.
Aeon Amadi Maverick Conflict Solutions 1003	Posted - 2012.10.09 04:12:00 - [34] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Thanks for the feedback guys, we might change the map down to a smaller size then. I'll let you know if / when we do that. Any thoughts on what skirmish sizes are appropriate for 8v8 and 12v12? Don't change the entire map - just take it out of the selection for small corp battles.....
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.10.09 04:15:00 - [35] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Thanks for the feedback guys, we might change the map down to a smaller size then. I'll let you know if / when we do that. Any thoughts on what skirmish sizes are appropriate for 8v8 and 12v12? Don't change the entire map - just take it out of the selection for small corp battles..... How about setting Corp battles to higher player counts? I mean, I'd personally prefer 32v32 at the lowest.
Zion Shad ZionTCD Legacy Rising 1620	Posted - 2012.10.09 04:17:00 - [36] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Thanks for the feedback guys, we might change the map down to a smaller size then. I'll let you know if / when we do that. Any thoughts on what skirmish sizes are appropriate for 8v8 and 12v12? Don't change the entire map - just take it out of the selection for small corp battles..... Agreed...The 5 objective Biomass is fun and I enjoy it with full teams (16v16) and no lag.
Pezley McDoff Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 14	Posted - 2012.10.09 04:40:00 - [37] - Quote Zion Shad wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Thanks for the feedback guys, we might change the map down to a smaller size then. I'll let you know if / when we do that. Any thoughts on what skirmish sizes are appropriate for 8v8 and 12v12? Don't change the entire map - just take it out of the selection for small corp battles..... Agreed...The 5 objective Biomass is fun and I enjoy it with full teams (16v16) and no lag. Wouldn't know.. I've never actually got to have a full game on that map
Reapz Krueger BetaMax. 4	Posted - 2012.10.09 14:37:00 - [38] - Quote i find the map with the first 2 destroyable objectives more appropriate for corp battles wirh one defending and one attacking with the mcc docking the commandpost. would be cool to see that map come back or something like that.
Grezkev The Red Guards 100	Posted - 2012.10.09 19:08:00 - [39] - Quote http://gnn.enjin.com Front Page News
4447 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 649	Posted - 2012.10.09 19:22:00 - [40] - Quote Grezkev wrote: http://gnn.enjin.com Front Page News lol

Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.10.09 20:05:00 - [41] - Quote Can anyone from Zion TCD talk to me about this battle? I can do this either in game or over psn or email. Any takers?
SoLJae ZionTCD Legacy Rising 351	Posted - 2012.10.09 20:29:00 - [42] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: Can anyone from Zion TCD talk to me about this battle? I can do this either in game or over psn or email. Any takers? Probably best you talk to Zion Shad as he was the highest ranking member involved directly with the battle. He's not hard to find usually.
CEO-SIX RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 6	Posted - 2012.10.09 20:42:00 - [43] - Quote Kudos to both clans for providing feedback to the developers about the battle.
Zion Shad ZionTCD Legacy Rising 1620	Posted - 2012.10.11 04:30:00 - [44] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: Can anyone from Zion TCD talk to me about this battle? I can do this either in game or over psn or email. Any takers? I can what you want to know?
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.10.11 12:15:00 - [45] - Quote Zion Shad wrote: Sentient Archon wrote: Can anyone from Zion TCD talk to me about this battle? I can do this either in game or over psn or email. Any takers? I can what you want to know? When are you on EST time? Or what is your time zone and when are you on?
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1155	Posted - 2012.10.11 13:15:00 - [46] - Quote I tend to agree with what people said regarding map size and player cap. I will also mention that us, being in EUROPE, only had VERY LAGGY corp matches until now. With a framerate way below normal, people vanishing under the map and sounds being delayed from the action. Like, kill a guy then 5 sec later. hear "STOMP" and see +50 WP Painful really ^^
Revelations 514 Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 38	Posted - 2012.10.11 17:58:00 - [47] - Quote Lag has been a problem for a while. You would be surprised at how badly you can miss even using a shotgun when lag hits, (and always at the worst time for an epic fail lol). Network was the thing I marked as needing the most improvement on the survey's they sent out. One thing you will notice with any successful shooter is they have smooth gameplay. They really need to iron out some of the network or NLB issues they are going through, (fingers crossed for next build). As for sizes, I pretty much agree with previous posts on this so nothing to add really. Also, it seems to me that lag hits during times of quick movements or lots of action, so I am not sure if this is a framerate issue or a lag issue, as I have a very fast connection and don't suffer lag on other shooters ect. If this is a framerate issue it would probably make a bit more sense, but their doesn't seem to be enough going on to justify a framerate issue unless the coding needs work.


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