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Bosse Ansgar
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Posted - 2012.10.08 19:43:00 -
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G Dubya Bush wrote:Well if we want to make it analogous to EVE, then we should have autokicks for TK in high sec (like getting concorded), then vote to kick in low/nullsec. Maybe autokick in low sec if you do it in the spawn area (like jumpgate turrets). FF should be always be on, at the very least to counter the cheese orbital strike in the middle of a fight for an objective, since you can't respawn before the enemy has hacked it. Or to counter planting and blowing remote charges on your teammates. Oh, and to counter spamming grenades into a firefight. Really to stop any AOE damage spam.
Hell no. **** no, **** no, ***** no, no ******* way. I've said it before and I'll say it again, NO KICKING. If you allow kicking under any circumstances this game will devolve into a futuristic SOCOM knock off before you know it, and SOCOM brats will be kicking team and squadmates off their team because "Do you know that guy? I don't know him. Vote him out before the match starts".
I've been there, I've been the victim of it and been friends with people who were the victims of it, and it is BULLSHIT. NOTHING ruins a game faster than getting kicked. NO one should be able to vote you out, not out of a match or a squad, for ANY reason. If you want to lay a hefty penalty of team killing I'm all for it, but adding a kicking feature is BEGGING to ruin this game's open nature and overall enjoyment. I'd sooner have no friendly fire if it means adding kicking feature. If you can't have friendly fire without coming up with an alternative to kicking, then don't add friendly fire. Ever. |
Bosse Ansgar
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Posted - 2012.10.08 19:52:00 -
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Terram Nenokal wrote:Just spitballing, but here are some suggestions to get the ball rolling:
Sec status loss: Enough FF will net you permanent duty in lowsec and below until you grind enough sleeper missions to regain highsec access
Self damage: CONCORD controlled merc life support, FF converts to 150% self damage scaled against total HP
Weapon disabling: CONCORD controlled weapon jamming, enough FF results in temporary offlining of weapons.
Neutral tagging: Enough FF turns you into a red for both teams.
Team notification: Enough FF prompts your team to votekick you
Or maybe some combination of these. It makes sense to have FF off in highsec, but the Eve player in me really wants to see it on at all times.
Except for that last one, I think every one of these are spectacular ideas. Especially the "Sec status loss" and the "Neutral tagging". I think a combination of those two with weapon disabling would be a PERFECT solution.
How about this: If you kill one ally you loose 125 WP and you only gain half WP for the rest of the match. If you kill one ally and take another's shields down, your weapon disables and you are tagged as a target by both teams. If you do this in 5 matches, you are stuck in lowsec until you complete enough sleeper missions to regain highsec access. |
Bosse Ansgar
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Posted - 2012.10.08 20:42:00 -
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G Dubya Bush wrote:Bosse Ansgar wrote:G Dubya Bush wrote:Well if we want to make it analogous to EVE, then we should have autokicks for TK in high sec (like getting concorded), then vote to kick in low/nullsec. Maybe autokick in low sec if you do it in the spawn area (like jumpgate turrets). FF should be always be on, at the very least to counter the cheese orbital strike in the middle of a fight for an objective, since you can't respawn before the enemy has hacked it. Or to counter planting and blowing remote charges on your teammates. Oh, and to counter spamming grenades into a firefight. Really to stop any AOE damage spam. Hell no. **** no, **** no, ***** no, no ******* way. I've said it before and I'll say it again, NO KICKING. If you allow kicking under any circumstances this game will devolve into a futuristic SOCOM knock off before you know it, and SOCOM brats will be kicking team and squadmates off their team because "Do you know that guy? I don't know him. Vote him out before the match starts". I've been there, I've been the victim of it and been friends with people who were the victims of it, and it is BULLSHIT. NOTHING ruins a game faster than getting kicked. NO one should be able to vote you out, not out of a match or a squad, for ANY reason. If you want to lay a hefty penalty of team killing I'm all for it, but adding a kicking feature is BEGGING to ruin this game's open nature and overall enjoyment. I'd sooner have no friendly fire if it means adding kicking feature. If you can't have friendly fire without coming up with an alternative to kicking, then don't add friendly fire. Ever. I think the idea of vote kick is that you would have to team kill before a vote kick. I totally agree there shouldn't be a "vote to kick player A without a prior condition being met" button. But an autovote to kick someone who has several TK's. Yes. Definitely.
The only, ONLY circumstance in which I could agree to kicking is for cheating like reppers who are trying to boost points in a corner of a map by damaging vehicles, and only then by reporting them to a moderator via a chat menu option, who would then make the decision to kick them or not. If it is in any way controlled by players, there will be an outcry for the option to be expanded and there you go down the slippery slope to SOCOM. Kicking is a bad idea, and being voted out by your team is a harsh feeling that makes you not want to play the game, whether it's because you are a bad shot or your doing it on purpose.
Penalize it similar to how Terram Nenokal mentioned (minus the kicking) and the problem will be solved without the need for any kicking. |
Bosse Ansgar
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Posted - 2012.10.08 22:05:00 -
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Threvis Valan wrote:some of you need to reevaluates to go about your desire for a hardcore game. FF is basic and fundamental. teamkillers? VTK them. griefing? EVE is griefing. more importantly, it allows moles and traitors to go about the business of betrayal.
the benefits of friendly fire FAR outweigh the negatives. choose your targets wisely and you'll never have a problem. this isnt EZ MODE. scared of FF? you should be embarassed.
You are mistaking this for a hardcore game. Not one dev or GM has ever said this is supposed to be a hardcore FPS game. Moreover you come in here blab your opinion and don't even realize that the majority of this debate isn't whether to have FF or not, it's about the rules and penalties involved. The majority of us are fine with it as long as the punishments are correct. VTK is the most pathetic, over used, and over abused punishment in the history of FPS gaming, so that's pretty much out.
Next time read the thread before you go "holier than thou" on a conversation you don't even understand.
EDIT: @ Aijul, FF stands for friendly fire. |
Bosse Ansgar
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Posted - 2012.10.08 22:18:00 -
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When and where did they say this is supposed to be hardcore? All I've heard from the beginning is that this is supposed to be an accessible FPS MMO that anyone can play. That is not the definition of hardcore to my recollection. |
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Posted - 2012.10.08 22:22:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:A bounty system and security status. The lower your security status the lower sec only and a bounty system where extra ISK and WP for killing bounty, no matter what team or squad.
What sense does a bounty system make in Dust? You kill a guy, he comes right back. Killing him accomplishes nothing, so why would anyone want to put up a bounty for it? I can see in game bounty rewards forming for high K/D ratio enemies, but I don't think your version of it makes much sense. |
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Posted - 2012.10.08 22:48:00 -
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Regis Mark V wrote:Bosse Ansgar wrote:When and where did they say this is supposed to be hardcore? All I've heard from the beginning is that this is supposed to be an accessible FPS MMO that anyone can play. That is not the definition of hardcore to my recollection. I'm not willing to go through all the stuff I saw to find them. When they said accessible they meant something accessible to the people who are interested in EVE but not it's gameplay.
I'll take you at your word then, I have no reason not to. My apologies for being incorrect in my statement. However I stand by my implicating that guy in being a douche about his opinion. |
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Posted - 2012.10.09 01:19:00 -
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Threvis Valan wrote:Bosse Ansgar wrote:Threvis Valan wrote:some of you need to reevaluates to go about your desire for a hardcore game. FF is basic and fundamental. teamkillers? VTK them. griefing? EVE is griefing. more importantly, it allows moles and traitors to go about the business of betrayal.
the benefits of friendly fire FAR outweigh the negatives. choose your targets wisely and you'll never have a problem. this isnt EZ MODE. scared of FF? you should be embarassed. You are mistaking this for a hardcore game. Not one dev or GM has ever said this is supposed to be a hardcore FPS game. Moreover you come in here blab your opinion and don't even realize that the majority of this debate isn't whether to have FF or not, it's about the rules and penalties involved. The majority of us are fine with it as long as the punishments are correct. VTK is the most pathetic, over used, and over abused punishment in the history of FPS gaming, so that's pretty much out. Next time read the thread before you go "holier than thou" on a conversation you don't even understand. EDIT: @ Aijul, FF stands for friendly fire. actually i read the thread just fine. reading your whining earlier its pretty obvious the big mean boys from SOCOM kicked u from games and it hurt your lil feelings or something. its happened to us all...guess what the rest of us did? we put our big boy pants on and GOT OVER IT. as you should...or hug someone, just please with the crying. that said, if there's an alternative to VTK (i actually think stopping a guys clone or turning him unfriendly is cool, stays true to the fiction and seems like just the thing CCP would do) i'm all for it. but make no mistake, FF is PRIORITY. If it comes down to it, it should take precedence over everything...yes, even if it means VTK. lastly, they've said COUNTLESS times that this is a hardcore title. its based in the New Eden galaxy...EVE is super HARDCORE and this is an offshoot of that...its not algebra or anything.
Who's the one cryin'? You seem to be the one with the issue, demanding that there is no alternative to adding FF and kicks. "OMG, I can't kill my teammates! OMG I can't kick people because I don't want to play with them! That's so terrible, somebody fix it please!" I would be just fine with this game with or without team kills, I merely stipulate that if you add TK you dont add kicking players.
Yeah, I played SOCOM. This isn't crying, I played for about 4 months and was an accepted player, but I finally got fed up and deleted that bullshit save file from my ps3. If your new, no almost one will let you into a game. I played several games where people were kicked at the end of a match because they were the only one left on their team on the field and the players who were already dead didn't want to wait for them because they didn't know who they were. I played games where my friends got kicked because they had a poor K/D ratio and their team didn't want them. I've seen people team killed because someone couldn't get enough votes to vote them out. I've seen players hunt down people who accidentally killed them in a previous match with a grenade when it was their own fault for trying to steal their kill. I've seen people team kill people who stole their kill! It's bullshit! Anyone who isn't already a part of their community is immediately shunned and teamed up on, we don't need a repeat of that here. We do not want that bullshit ******* up another game.
As it is team kills are actually seeming less appropriate the more it's discussed. |
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