If high level players are ok with maxing out each week the second or third day and then playing something else or ISK grinding to run high level gear whenever they want, then I think the diminishing return should go. But if removing the diminishing return only leads a flood of "I hit my cap in 36 hours" posts then I think CCP made the right call.

I agree tbh.

I have seen games which have no cap before and the hardcore players will burn out and leave anyway for the next FOTM (actually they will leave with or without a cap) The people left - that would be the majority, will finance this game. CCP is right to cater for the majority.

The real hardcore players don't need extra help from the leveling system to own the rest of us so I don't get why they are crying over the cap.

Try forgot about SP... :) and life in DUST will be more colorfull.
Try use rock or OB to take what you need in game. Still you no need to have milions of SP to do this.
... and you will be in the world of EVE. Even 'noobs' (sry for this word) in fregates (or transport ships :) have impact at battlefields.
Old one like me are aware of fights because I got maybe a lot of sp but only my clone cost more then most of you have isk on DUST now (together).

CCP promised that fresh gamers can cach up hardcore player after months ...
This can be only achived when cap will be accumulated from start to all accounts (even new. Example: you start after 6 monts from game start? your cap is 24kk SP )
If no ... cap is only for start and this promise will have no cover.

But you know? We are beta testers... we are guena pigs ;) So dont let your emotions overflow you.

"hardcore players" feel like they're getting slapped in the face for playing the game too much. That's probably the biggest load of BS i've ever heard. If people actually think about it the level cap and diminishing returns actually keeps the progression system balanced in comparison to other shooters such as BF or COD that allow for the "hardcore" "no lifer" crowd to get ahead simply because they have more free time than anyone else.

This game has changed to the point where gear trumps player skill, and if CCP continues to go down this road then they made the right call by introducing the SP cap along with the diminishing returns.

If people are "so hardcore" and enthusiastic about this game to the point where they reach the SP cap then they should simply start a new character.

"hardcore players" feel like they're getting slapped in the face for playing the game too much. That's probably the biggest load of BS i've ever heard. If people actually think about it the level cap and diminishing returns actually keeps the progression system balanced in comparison to other shooters such as BF or COD that allow for the "hardcore" "no lifer" crowd to get ahead simply because they have more free time than anyone else.

This game has changed to the point where gear trumps player skill, and if CCP continues to go down this road then they made the right call by introducing the SP cap along with the diminishing returns.

If people are "so hardcore" and enthusiastic about this game to the point where they reach the SP cap then they should simply start a new character.

SP cap (500,000 or 750,000) can be almost reached within two days -_-

What's left is just around 75,000 or less SP to obtain. The remaining 5 days are for piling up endless ISK.

it seems to be being overlookd that its not just a cap and that there are diminishing returns in effect on your char. MOST ppl will not play half way through the cap, so unless YOU are a "no lifer" as it was stated, you will allways be behind. and with these diminishing returns in effect not just on sp but on the isk you gain, the game becomes a pay to win game due to aurum ... you know untill you have been playing for about 2-3 years... for a game that isnt pay to win, this is starting to look alot like a pay to win game. remove the cap or remove the diminishing returns

and also with the diminishing returns in effect, winning or even trying to do decent becomes pointless... im sure everyone has notice alot of ppl not even really trying or doing any thing for that matter lately. no rewards = no rewarding feeling= no point trying. = making the casuals have to play even more to catch up with the no lifers due to the fact that most the ppl on their team wont be trying. stop posting b/c you think a cap is a good idea b/c you play warcraft or w/e it is you play besides this. this is going to kill the game.

Just imagine u miss a week of playing, u cant rework the lost SP, so no lifers/ frequent players still have an advantage ^^

"hardcore players" feel like they're getting slapped in the face for playing the game too much. That's probably the biggest load of BS i've ever heard. If people actually think about it the level cap and diminishing returns actually keeps the progression system balanced in comparison to other shooters such as BF or COD that allow for the "hardcore" "no lifer" crowd to get ahead simply because they have more free time than anyone else.

This game has changed to the point where gear trumps player skill, and if CCP continues to go down this road then they made the right call by introducing the SP cap along with the diminishing returns.

If people are "so hardcore" and enthusiastic about this game to the point where they reach the SP cap then they should simply start a new character.

Someone with a 100% new character could shoot someone with all skills maxed in the head with a sniper rifle and kill that player. Being behind in skill points doesn't mean you aren't a danger in fights.

Someone with a 100% new character could shoot someone with all skills maxed in the head with a sniper rifle and kill that player. Being behind in skill points doesn't mean you aren't a danger in fights.

A hell of alot more, but the thing is theres always going to be better players out there and those are going to be HC players. SP cap or no SP cap the dedicated players will eventually get a large lead over others, it will just take abit longer now.

go get a life plz

First, let me congratulate Zitro for reaching the absolute skill capped and thank OP for an informative post.



I believe many of you look at this skill cap in the wrong way.
It is not punishing hardcore players.
It is rewarding casual players.
How are you being punished exactly ?
It seem you can go 20-0 fine despite the 0 SP you earn.

Most people used 2-3 days to reach 1 mil SP where the diminishing return kick in, which should be where the soft cap is.
If it take a hardcore player 5 days to reach the hard cap of 1.25 mil. I would say the job well done CCP.
This way, casual players can reach the soft cap relatively easy.
Hardcore player still have a goal to aim for through out the week.
The advantage hardcore player get is about 25%(or 50%) more SP a week which is just about right if you ask me.
I agree with one poster that removing diminishing return will only lead to "I capped my skill in 36 hours" threads.

The SP gain is too slow under diminishing return ?
EVE players have tried to point it out many time already. In EVE, the skill point is gained ENTIRELY passive.
Currently, we get 900 SP passively each hour in DUST. Let's say you can play 3 games every hour (20 minutes each).
Getting 300 SP each game already mean you have 100% more SP boosting over the one who is not playing.
Tell me again if that's considered low.

You fear that you will fall off *permanently* for not playing a week ?
Without any skill cap, you will fall off *permanently* for every second you aren't in game (for example while reading this forum).
CCP have tried daily skill cap before which wasn't work so well.
It may come to you as a surprise, people with a life do live their life in weekly basis you know ?
You see, there is a thing called weekday and weekend.
I believe current SP cap is the best method CCP have ever tried so far.



If you have better suggestion than current system, feel free to post your method in informative manner.
By informative, I meant more informative than CCP fix it, fix it , FIX IIIITTTTTTTT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How do you want it fixed exactly ? Let me guess remove the skill cap entirely ?

My brother just hit the sp limit and I am near it as I am only earning 1 sp per match.

What are your total SP earnings for the week to hit the cap?

(Sorry if this has been asked and answered, long thread is long )

He said it was just over 1.4 million

Amazing that someone can post a thread that is informative, and helps everyone understand the limits to the SP cap, and then the Jackass Trolls start with their "Get A Life" comments which help no one, put down people with helpful information, and basically paint themselves as wastes of space in the forums.

The only people who need to get a life are those who find the time to post that kind of drivel. Maybe it's time to head back to the Activision forums, people.