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Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
658
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Posted - 2012.10.07 05:05:00 -
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Omnipotens Zitro wrote:Try going 30-0 and having about 3-5k WP and getting 0 SP. CCP is slapping me in the face and everybody else who loves this game. They do not reward dedication or skill. Instead they reward noobs who hardly play the game and will most likely leave after awhile. The cap is there for a reason. So that the casuals can keep up with the no lifers like you. Love it or hate, its here to stay. |
Dankamus Primemus
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.10.07 05:08:00 -
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its ashame that the first mmofps has taken the form that wow has, which is now geard toward casual gamers ; no 40 man raids, not even 25 mans anymore... you know the things that made warcraft fun. |
Dankamus Primemus
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.10.07 05:11:00 -
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its not just a cap, there are diminishing returns that start reducuing your rewards something like a 1/8 or a 1/4 of the way through the cap, so ppl will allways be better than you.. unless you are infact a no lifer. this is just a faild attempt at what you claim is there and infact will kill half or more of this games current players |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2047
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Posted - 2012.10.07 05:12:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:Omnipotens Zitro wrote:Try going 30-0 and having about 3-5k WP and getting 0 SP. CCP is slapping me in the face and everybody else who loves this game. They do not reward dedication or skill. Instead they reward noobs who hardly play the game and will most likely leave after awhile. The cap is there for a reason. So that the casuals can keep up with the no lifers like you. Love it or hate, its here to stay. ...and here to be tweaked |
Dankamus Primemus
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.10.07 05:12:00 -
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remove the cap or remove the diminishing returns or you will loose big time ccp |
Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
658
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Posted - 2012.10.07 05:14:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Crimson MoonV wrote:Omnipotens Zitro wrote:Try going 30-0 and having about 3-5k WP and getting 0 SP. CCP is slapping me in the face and everybody else who loves this game. They do not reward dedication or skill. Instead they reward noobs who hardly play the game and will most likely leave after awhile. The cap is there for a reason. So that the casuals can keep up with the no lifers like you. Love it or hate, its here to stay. ...and here to be tweaked You gonna tweak it bro? Or are you just gonna cry until they change it.
Its romantic how much ccp loves to hold our hands. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2047
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Posted - 2012.10.07 05:15:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:Crimson MoonV wrote:Omnipotens Zitro wrote:Try going 30-0 and having about 3-5k WP and getting 0 SP. CCP is slapping me in the face and everybody else who loves this game. They do not reward dedication or skill. Instead they reward noobs who hardly play the game and will most likely leave after awhile. The cap is there for a reason. So that the casuals can keep up with the no lifers like you. Love it or hate, its here to stay. ...and here to be tweaked You gonna tweak it bro? Or are you just gonna cry until they change it. Its romantic how much ccp loves to hold our hands. crying is what got it there in the first place brah |
Dankamus Primemus
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.10.07 05:16:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Crimson MoonV wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:Crimson MoonV wrote:Omnipotens Zitro wrote:Try going 30-0 and having about 3-5k WP and getting 0 SP. CCP is slapping me in the face and everybody else who loves this game. They do not reward dedication or skill. Instead they reward noobs who hardly play the game and will most likely leave after awhile. The cap is there for a reason. So that the casuals can keep up with the no lifers like you. Love it or hate, its here to stay. ...and here to be tweaked You gonna tweak it bro? Or are you just gonna cry until they change it. Its romantic how much ccp loves to hold our hands. crying is what got it there in the first place brah
^ this |
Dankamus Primemus
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.10.07 05:18:00 -
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and agian its not just a cap, there are diminishing returns, so unless your a no lifer there will allways be ppl ahead of you |
Dankamus Primemus
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.10.07 05:22:00 -
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Dankamus Primemus wrote:and agian its not just a cap, there are diminishing returns, so unless your a no lifer there will allways be ppl ahead of you
not to mention due to diminishing returns anyone that buys aurum has a large advatage over someone that doesnt, "this isnt a pay to win game" THEN REMOVE THE DIMINISHING RETURNS AND OR THE CAP |
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Omnipotens Zitro
Doomheim
425
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Posted - 2012.10.07 05:26:00 -
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The hard cap is dumbest thing CCP has done all beta and I have been here since the beginning. CCP has done some dumb stuff and that is saying something. If they really do keep the hard cap, they should just implement the skill system from EVE, whish is based on time because it is exactly the same thing and would technically easier. It will let all the noobs not have to play the game.
I remember way back when CCP said that they implemented the active SP earning so players who start a couple months later could theoretically catch up to players who have been in the game since the beginning. With such a Crazy cap that is impossible to do. Let's face it, there will always be player who will be better and can play more. So they should be punished because they love the game? Doesn't make any sence.
With this build Sp doesn't mean two $h1ts. This build and last build was all about personal skill and not about skill points. the last days of the previous build I only had 10 mil SP and came back to my surprise to be able to kill everybody who had played alot longer and had more than double the SP. With weapons barely having an increase in damage per level and suits all Gavin the same base hp I can easily kill anybody with full proto gear with militia gear. You could have 40mil SP and I would easily kill you with a brand spanking new starter fit in this build.
I have to say this game use to be fun but it is not any more. It is not rewarding to play on a daily basis if you hit the grind on day one out of a seven day cycle. |
Dankamus Primemus
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.10.07 05:31:00 -
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Omnipotens Zitro wrote:The hard cap is dumbest thing CCP has done all beta and I have been here since the beginning. CCP has done some dumb stuff and that is saying something. If they really do keep the hard cap, they should just implement the skill system from EVE, whish is based on time because it is exactly the same thing and would technically easier. It will let all the noobs not have to play the game.
I remember way back when CCP said that they implemented the active SP earning so players who start a couple months later could theoretically catch up to players who have been in the game since the beginning. With such a Crazy cap that is impossible to do. Let's face it, there will always be player who will be better and can play more. So they should be punished because they love the game? Doesn't make any sence.
With this build Sp doesn't mean two $h1ts. This build and last build was all about personal skill and not about skill points. the last days of the previous build I only had 10 mil SP and came back to my surprise to be able to kill everybody who had played alot longer and had more than double the SP. With weapons barely having an increase in damage per level and suits all Gavin the same base hp I can easily kill anybody with full proto gear with militia gear. You could have 40mil SP and I would easily kill you with a brand spanking new starter fit in this build.
I have to say this game use to be fun but it is not any more. It is not rewarding to play on a daily basis if you hit the grind on day one out of a seven day cycle.
agreed, ccp fix this or you will loose big time... and agian its a shame you were just about to get me to start a eve acount ( and more than likely not just me) .... |
Dankamus Primemus
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.10.07 05:34:00 -
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this is roughly the same system warcraft has adoptd, and is failing ( blizz has lost something like 4 mill accounts in the last year or so) and growing.. |
Dankamus Primemus
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.10.07 05:36:00 -
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this is my last post b/c im 1 person and like any major company 1 person doesnt matter the rest is in the other players hands. hope this gets fixd. |
xprotoman23
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1452
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Posted - 2012.10.07 05:36:00 -
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Personally I like the cap. It allows for players who actually have lives to play the game somewhat at the same level that "no-lifers" do. It alleviates the competitive grind that this game used to have that forced people to play ridiculous amounts of hours per-day to actually be able to compete against people.
CCP has done some questionable BS with this game in the past, but this is a welcomed addition and I can actually tip my hat to them. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2283
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Posted - 2012.10.07 05:45:00 -
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the SP cap is good but maybe needs some tweaking idk what the current value is but for the reasons proto listed above it alleviates some of the competitive grind with that said a hard cap is still dumb imo, maybe a soft cap?
CCP gotta remember u gotta make sure ppl are loggin in to actually play which brings me to another point and i will make a full thread on this later....but FW needs to be good
if FW corp battles are actually GOOD then i wont mind the cap. grind 2-4 days and play FW corp battles the next 3 days since ur not gettin SP for FW battles |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2047
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Posted - 2012.10.07 05:47:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:Personally I like the cap. It allows for players who actually have lives to play the game somewhat at the same level that "no-lifers" do. It alleviates the competitive grind that this game used to have that forced people to play ridiculous amounts of hours per-day to actually be able to compete against people.
CCP has done some questionable BS with this game in the past, but this is a welcomed addition and I can actually tip my hat to them. Ya this game needs some sort of cap to keep hardcore grinders under control, but having the reset every week is ridiculous. By the last few days you will be getting no where ween it comes to sp gain. It does need to be longer than every day but it has to be shorter than a week or alot of the player base will end up quieting by the end of the week. |
xprotoman23
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1452
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Posted - 2012.10.07 05:53:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:xprotoman23 wrote:Personally I like the cap. It allows for players who actually have lives to play the game somewhat at the same level that "no-lifers" do. It alleviates the competitive grind that this game used to have that forced people to play ridiculous amounts of hours per-day to actually be able to compete against people.
CCP has done some questionable BS with this game in the past, but this is a welcomed addition and I can actually tip my hat to them. Ya this game needs some sort of cap to keep hardcore grinders under control, but having the reset every week is ridiculous. By the last few days you will be getting no where ween it comes to sp gain. It does need to be longer than every day but it has to be shorter than a week or alot of the player base will end up quieting by the end of the week.
The reset every week is nice. Some of us actually have children, school, jobs, clients, and real life obligations that keep us from grinding all ******* day. This is probably the best move CCP has made with this game.
If you hit the cap make another ******* character if you love the game that much. |
Ludwig Van Beatdropin
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
195
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Posted - 2012.10.07 06:00:00 -
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Omnipotens Zitro wrote:His final sp was 1,481,807.
Would you and your brother like a medal? |
counter logic
BetaMax.
42
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Posted - 2012.10.07 06:59:00 -
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Dankamus Primemus wrote:yes more ppl need to talk about this, this is going to kill the game for me, i find it pointless to play a quarter of the way through the cap, seriously, 18-2 6 revives like 5 assists and i get 8k sp... really.. beginging to regret having bought the merc pack as i probably wont be playing this game much longer
shame too, was bought to start a eve account... i WAS truly excited
There is no sp cap or anti grind in EVE. The skill progression in EVE is entirely passive, and you can increase the passive gain with implants, thats it.
The anti-grind system in place right now like zitro said is punishing enthusiastic players. Yes we need something in place so that new players can avoid being a-town stomped by hardcores with 40mil sp. But making it so someone like zitro who is very talented at this game and plays a lot is down to getting 0 sp a game is absolutely ridiculous.
Players with 2k+ kills and 200k+ wp have the same sp as players with 300-400 kills and less than 100k wp. That is obviously a huge margin in skill not being rewarded.
Also the normalization of suits needs to be revisited. The amount of sp you need to get the better suits vs what those suits give you....not worth it at all. |
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Vrain Matari
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
404
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Posted - 2012.10.07 08:27:00 -
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I like the skill cap. By about 2 million skill points a character has good foundations laid down and is on the way to specializing in their chosen profession(s). Two weeks is not a lot.
SP grinding(and ISK grinding) is it's own form of OCD, but it's a lousy reward for time invested in a game, at least for me.
I agree with Mavado, it's the gameplay that needs to be rewarding, not the sp dispensing system. I think CCP should do a build before open beta where they turn off active sp, leaving just an adjusted passive trickle. This would tell them how much people liked playing DUST.
I've got a lot of respect for CCP, but it would take a very big set of viking c*j*nes to throw that switch. |
Jack Boost
Zarena Family
194
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Posted - 2012.10.07 12:08:00 -
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Try forgot about SP... :) and life in DUST will be more colorfull. Try use rock or OB to take what you need in game. Still you no need to have milions of SP to do this. ... and you will be in the world of EVE. Even 'noobs' (sry for this word) in fregates (or transport ships :) have impact at battlefields. Old one like me are aware of fights because I got maybe a lot of sp but only my clone cost more then most of you have isk on DUST now (together).
CCP promised that fresh gamers can cach up hardcore player after months ... This can be only achived when cap will be accumulated from start to all accounts (even new. Example: you start after 6 monts from game start? your cap is 24kk SP ) If no ... cap is only for start and this promise will have no cover.
But you know? We are beta testers... we are guena pigs ;) So dont let your emotions overflow you.
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KryptixX
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
321
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Posted - 2012.10.07 12:13:00 -
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I wouldnt mind the cap so much if the reset it on friday or saturday as well as tuesday. |
D3aTH D3alER54
The Southern Legion
130
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Posted - 2012.10.07 12:48:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:Personally I like the cap. It allows for players who actually have lives to play the game somewhat at the same level that "no-lifers" do. It alleviates the competitive grind that this game used to have that forced people to play ridiculous amounts of hours per-day to actually be able to compete against people.
CCP has done some questionable BS with this game in the past, but this is a welcomed addition and I can actually tip my hat to them.
In a way it's good and in a way it's bad, rewarding people for doing nothing and punishing people who do it all. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.10.07 13:18:00 -
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Jack Boost wrote:Try forgot about SP... :) and life in DUST will be more colorfull. Try use rock or OB to take what you need in game. Still you no need to have milions of SP to do this. ... and you will be in the world of EVE. Even 'noobs' (sry for this word) in fregates (or transport ships :) have impact at battlefields. Old one like me are aware of fights because I got maybe a lot of sp but only my clone cost more then most of you have isk on DUST now (together).
CCP promised that fresh gamers can cach up hardcore player after months ... This can be only achived when cap will be accumulated from start to all accounts (even new. Example: you start after 6 monts from game start? your cap is 24kk SP ) If no ... cap is only for start and this promise will have no cover.
But you know? We are beta testers... we are guena pigs ;) So dont let your emotions overflow you.
This is a far better idea. CCP could hardcap the max Sp clones can have. Total SP, not diminishing returns or whatever. Just a simple max cap for all clones. As time goes by CCP could raise the maximum SP, and give newbs a tiny bit more starting SP.
It would work like a level cap. Simple but effective. |
DOC-7
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2012.10.07 13:28:00 -
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Way to think outside the box CCP and kill your customer base.
Negative publicity.
lateral thinking and all that.
Good job. lol.
Lifers, no lifers, stfu. Since when did a video game's reason to play become, not the point. |
Governor Odius
Doomheim
177
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Posted - 2012.10.07 13:30:00 -
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Are you guys seriously only playing for the SP? That's all that matters to you, and you'll quit playing as soon as you're not getting anymore?
I mean, ****, EVE has a 100% passive SP system. People still play the **** out of that, because the game is fun in other ways than just as an SP collector. If you're only in this for SP I'd say the problem is you, not the game. |
KryptixX
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
321
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Posted - 2012.10.07 13:33:00 -
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Governor Odius wrote:Are you guys seriously only playing for the SP? That's all that matters to you, and you'll quit playing as soon as you're not getting anymore?
I mean, ****, EVE has a 100% passive SP system. People still play the **** out of that, because the game is fun in other ways than just as an SP collector. If you're only in this for SP I'd say the problem is you, not the game.
In the current state of the game there is not much more than to grind SP/ISK, obviously this will change. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.10.07 13:33:00 -
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Yeah, but they ruined the gameplay too. Do yeah, ISK/SP/WP are many peoples main reason to play. |
Vane KoS
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2012.10.07 13:37:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:Personally I like the cap. It allows for players who actually have lives to play the game somewhat at the same level that "no-lifers" do. It alleviates the competitive grind that this game used to have that forced people to play ridiculous amounts of hours per-day to actually be able to compete against people.
CCP has done some questionable BS with this game in the past, but this is a welcomed addition and I can actually tip my hat to them.
I agree tbh.
I have seen games which have no cap before and the hardcore players will burn out and leave anyway for the next FOTM (actually they will leave with or without a cap) The people left - that would be the majority, will finance this game. CCP is right to cater for the majority.
The real hardcore players don't need extra help from the leveling system to own the rest of us so I don't get why they are crying over the cap.
Players like Zitro don't need the help. They do however need a reason to play so in the absence of an SP (level grind) CCP are going to have to give them and the rest of us something else. This is not Eve, it is not a sandbox so we need to have goals set by CCP.
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