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SILENTSAM 69
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Posted - 2012.10.06 23:55:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Scouts weren't made for CQC, they were used for CQC simply because of poor hit detection added to insane strafing speeds. If the people crying they can't play their scouts the way they used to, it's because they were never meant to play that way in the first place.
Scouts were meant to be tactical, low sig profile plus high mobility allows for strategic flanking and/or mobile sniper tactics.
Why are people agreeing with this type of foolishness?
Suits are not made to fit one role, they are made to be versatile and for players to have options in how they want to play.
Now a whole play style has been nerfed/removed from the game. It was ridiculous to nerf the strafing, and to change the SMG.
The strafing was never a problem, only the hit detection and frame rate issues. Doing all things at once just made the Scout a useless suit.
Maybe if the Profile Dampeners did anything, or if any of the scanning skills or equipment mattered there would be something for the Scout, but right now it has lost everything. |
SILENTSAM 69
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Posted - 2012.10.07 00:00:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:I just have a question to add to the thread.
What can scouts do that assault suits can't to the same or near same effectiveness?
Nothing, and that is the problem.
The Scout use to start recharging shield quickly, then they lost that.
The Scouts use to be able to dance and move quickly to avoid getting shot, but they lost that.
The Scout is supposed to be harder to detect, and it isn't.
The Scout is supposed to be able to detect people better, it isn't.
The Scout suit was ruined in this build because the decided to listen to the crowd that cried when shooting at a moving target.
There was NEVER a reason to reduce strafing, expect to appease those who can not shoot. |
SILENTSAM 69
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Posted - 2012.10.07 00:20:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:SILENTSAM 69 wrote:Logi Bro wrote:Scouts weren't made for CQC, they were used for CQC simply because of poor hit detection added to insane strafing speeds. If the people crying they can't play their scouts the way they used to, it's because they were never meant to play that way in the first place.
Scouts were meant to be tactical, low sig profile plus high mobility allows for strategic flanking and/or mobile sniper tactics. Why are people agreeing with this type of foolishness? Suits are not made to fit one role, they are made to be versatile and for players to have options in how they want to play. Now a whole play style has been nerfed/removed from the game. It was ridiculous to nerf the strafing, and to change the SMG. The strafing was never a problem, only the hit detection and frame rate issues. Doing all things at once just made the Scout a useless suit. Maybe if the Profile Dampeners did anything, or if any of the scanning skills or equipment mattered there would be something for the Scout, but right now it has lost everything. Are you seriously saying strafing is a valid combat tactic? Physics doesn't support this, why don't you run at a full sprint sideways, then try to instantly go the same exact speed you were just going but in the opposite direction by turning on a dime? You won't.
Yes I am saying that, and nothing about physics is against me. Your example has nothing to do with the issue.
I am also saying there is no valid reason to disagree with me. Only vain foolish reasons. |
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Posted - 2012.10.07 00:23:00 -
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Ranger SnakeBlood wrote:SILENTSAM 69 wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:I just have a question to add to the thread.
What can scouts do that assault suits can't to the same or near same effectiveness? Nothing, and that is the problem. The Scout use to start recharging shield quickly, then they lost that. The Scouts use to be able to dance and move quickly to avoid getting shot, but they lost that. The Scout is supposed to be harder to detect, and it isn't. The Scout is supposed to be able to detect people better, it isn't. The Scout suit was ruined in this build because the decided to listen to the crowd that cried when shooting at a moving target. There was NEVER a reason to reduce strafing, expect to appease those who can not shoot. And there was never a reason to nerf the heavy, except to appease people who couldnt be bothered to attack outside of the heavies streghts, there was never a reason to nerf the tank,except to appease people who wanted to kill them without being dedicated anti armour characters At least the strafe nerf was based on a real issue with hit detection we still dont know if the game could be this solid running on last builds speed or even if maybe the scout was still > assult who know all we know this has happened the same as the others and id say this was more justified than the other nerfs
There wanst a reason to nerf the heavy. You are right. They never should have.
The tanks had a known issue where the mods were being stacked in a way they did not intend.
The hit detection and frame rate issues where a problem, but not the Strafing. Once the hit detection and frame rate was fixed there was no need for a strafing nerf. |
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Posted - 2012.10.07 00:55:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Based on your answer, you didn't try to run and change direction at full sprint, and I'm telling you that you can't. My point has everything to do with the issue of strafing, which was quite impossible in the realm of physics.
No valid reason to disagree? You just lost my respect for this conversation, as no matter what you think, people ALWAYS have different opinions, and mine opposes yours, this is perfectly valid. Vain and foolish don't describe what I said, and was quite arbitrary, soooo...I don't really know what to say to that.
yes you can run at full speed and do so at a slight angle. i do it in real life and I know don't know why you keep mentioning physics to me. I am a physics major and can not see your point.
Its not as if anyone was ever sprinting sideways, they just had a little wiggle room so they could run in a zig zag pattern before. |
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