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Logi Bro
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Posted - 2012.10.06 21:43:00 -
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Scouts weren't made for CQC, they were used for CQC simply because of poor hit detection added to insane strafing speeds. If the people crying they can't play their scouts the way they used to, it's because they were never meant to play that way in the first place.
Scouts were meant to be tactical, low sig profile plus high mobility allows for strategic flanking and/or mobile sniper tactics. |
Logi Bro
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Posted - 2012.10.07 00:07:00 -
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RolyatDerTeufel wrote:Logi Bro wrote:Scouts weren't made for CQC, they were used for CQC simply because of poor hit detection added to insane strafing speeds. If the people crying they can't play their scouts the way they used to, it's because they were never meant to play that way in the first place.
Scouts were meant to be tactical, low sig profile plus high mobility allows for strategic flanking and/or mobile sniper tactics. I say remove SMG, nove knifes and all CQC weapons if there is no suit that is made for close quarters.. saying it's not made for that is just dumb. They promoted a scout suit with SMG in the merc pack... flanking works sometimes but if you can't speed tank or shield tank as the first one in the fight flanking, it's not a flank, it's prolonging death for a min or two more. CCP stated that you can specialize in what you want. I don't put down people in heavies sniping.. why can't a scout suit be up in your face?
It can be up in your face, but wasn't designed to be. I can flank someone with a shotgun as a scout and nail them in the back of the head with it at close range, but I don't consider that CQC, but based on what you've said, I imagine you DO consider that CQC, which by all means makes the scout a CQC suit, it's just supposed to be a stealthy one. I can also do this with an SMG, as promoted with the merc pack.
And nova knives SHOULD be removed due to their uselessness this build. |
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Posted - 2012.10.07 00:10:00 -
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SILENTSAM 69 wrote:Logi Bro wrote:Scouts weren't made for CQC, they were used for CQC simply because of poor hit detection added to insane strafing speeds. If the people crying they can't play their scouts the way they used to, it's because they were never meant to play that way in the first place.
Scouts were meant to be tactical, low sig profile plus high mobility allows for strategic flanking and/or mobile sniper tactics. Why are people agreeing with this type of foolishness? Suits are not made to fit one role, they are made to be versatile and for players to have options in how they want to play. Now a whole play style has been nerfed/removed from the game. It was ridiculous to nerf the strafing, and to change the SMG. The strafing was never a problem, only the hit detection and frame rate issues. Doing all things at once just made the Scout a useless suit. Maybe if the Profile Dampeners did anything, or if any of the scanning skills or equipment mattered there would be something for the Scout, but right now it has lost everything.
Are you seriously saying strafing is a valid combat tactic? Physics doesn't support this, why don't you run at a full sprint sideways, then try to instantly go the same exact speed you were just going but in the opposite direction by turning on a dime?
You won't. |
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Posted - 2012.10.07 00:25:00 -
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RolyatDerTeufel wrote:Logi Bro wrote:
It can be up in your face, but wasn't designed to be. I can flank someone with a shotgun as a scout and nail them in the back of the head with it at close range, but I don't consider that CQC, but based on what you've said, I imagine you DO consider that CQC, which by all means makes the scout a CQC suit, it's just supposed to be a stealthy one. I can also do this with an SMG, as promoted with the merc pack.
And nova knives SHOULD be removed due to their uselessness this build.
Nova Knives are cool idea with how it is now.. but useless till already right on someone. Back to topic at hand. I would consider shotguns close quarters for sure. cause that's where it's optimal is. Scouts could be used for stealth but if an assault suit can fit a speed module to keep up with scouts and still have more CPU/PG to fit more damaging gun and it has more base HP (which it should) then the scout has obviously been broken. I'll be looking into the assault with speed modules to see if they can be stealthier then scouts AND have more survivability.
I'm confused by this, as there are several benefits to using a scout over an assault, too many to be compensated for by modules. To name a few there are:
-Greater speed
-Greater stamina and stamina regeneration
-Higher shield regeneration
-Lower shield regeneration delay
-Lower signature radius
-Smaller hitbox
And kinetic boosters only increase sprint speed, so even though they can't strafe as much as before, scouts can still strafe faster than any assault no matter how loaded up with modules it is.
Oh, and I say Nova Knives are useless because of the charge-up time. |
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Posted - 2012.10.07 00:32:00 -
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SILENTSAM 69 wrote:Logi Bro wrote:SILENTSAM 69 wrote:Logi Bro wrote:Scouts weren't made for CQC, they were used for CQC simply because of poor hit detection added to insane strafing speeds. If the people crying they can't play their scouts the way they used to, it's because they were never meant to play that way in the first place.
Scouts were meant to be tactical, low sig profile plus high mobility allows for strategic flanking and/or mobile sniper tactics. Why are people agreeing with this type of foolishness? Suits are not made to fit one role, they are made to be versatile and for players to have options in how they want to play. Now a whole play style has been nerfed/removed from the game. It was ridiculous to nerf the strafing, and to change the SMG. The strafing was never a problem, only the hit detection and frame rate issues. Doing all things at once just made the Scout a useless suit. Maybe if the Profile Dampeners did anything, or if any of the scanning skills or equipment mattered there would be something for the Scout, but right now it has lost everything. Are you seriously saying strafing is a valid combat tactic? Physics doesn't support this, why don't you run at a full sprint sideways, then try to instantly go the same exact speed you were just going but in the opposite direction by turning on a dime? You won't. Yes I am saying that, and nothing about physics is against me. Your example has nothing to do with the issue. I am also saying there is no valid reason to disagree with me. Only vain foolish reasons.
Based on your answer, you didn't try to run and change direction at full sprint, and I'm telling you that you can't. My point has everything to do with the issue of strafing, which was quite impossible in the realm of physics.
No valid reason to disagree? You just lost my respect for this conversation, as no matter what you think, people ALWAYS have different opinions, and mine opposes yours, this is perfectly valid. Vain and foolish don't describe what I said, and was quite arbitrary, soooo...I don't really know what to say to that. |
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Posted - 2012.10.07 00:59:00 -
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SILENTSAM 69 wrote:Logi Bro wrote:Based on your answer, you didn't try to run and change direction at full sprint, and I'm telling you that you can't. My point has everything to do with the issue of strafing, which was quite impossible in the realm of physics.
No valid reason to disagree? You just lost my respect for this conversation, as no matter what you think, people ALWAYS have different opinions, and mine opposes yours, this is perfectly valid. Vain and foolish don't describe what I said, and was quite arbitrary, soooo...I don't really know what to say to that. yes you can run at full speed and do so at a slight angle. i do it in real life and I know don't know why you keep mentioning physics to me. I am a physics major and can not see your point. Its not as if anyone was ever sprinting sideways, they just had a little wiggle room so they could run in a zig zag pattern before.
...I'm not saying you can't run sideways, I'm saying you can't run sideways then instantly run sideways in the opposite direction and maintain all your speed.
I'm not a physics major, but momentum prevents this from being possible. |
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