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Posted - 2012.10.06 22:34:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:I just have a question to add to the thread.
What can scouts do that assault suits can't to the same or near same effectiveness?
Yes, this is what people are missing. The scouts are now just slightly crappier versions of their equivalent assault suits. They are ever so slightly faster and get some tiny buffs to signature radius and pointless stuff life reload and draw speed, but have substantially less HP, CPU, and PG and also have less fitting slots. I'm not convinced that there is any situation in which a scout suit would be superior to an assault suit. The tradeoffs just don't add up. It doesn't matter if you're slightly faster if you die considerably sooner... that speed bonus doesn't make up for the drawbacks in a firefight. In any instance you can come up with, you're better off in the equivalent assault suit.
Scout suit is a pointless piece of gear now. |
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Posted - 2012.10.06 23:22:00 -
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Vincam Velmoriar wrote:Mira Adari wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:I just have a question to add to the thread.
What can scouts do that assault suits can't to the same or near same effectiveness? Yes, this is what people are missing. The scouts are now just slightly crappier versions of their equivalent assault suits. They are ever so slightly faster and get some tiny buffs to signature radius and pointless stuff life reload and draw speed, but have substantially less HP, CPU, and PG and also have less fitting slots. I'm not convinced that there is any situation in which a scout suit would be superior to an assault suit. The tradeoffs just don't add up. It doesn't matter if you're slightly faster if you die considerably sooner... that speed bonus doesn't make up for the drawbacks in a firefight. In any instance you can come up with, you're better off in the equivalent assault suit. Scout suit is a pointless piece of gear now. Not true. I have a Scout with a Shotgun and an Assault with a Shotgun...the Scout is magnitudes more efficient...the Assault is just too slow to close in. If you want to kill an AR with a Shotgun, you HAVE to flank. Run around some cover to get them from behind or the side, while they are distracted. You can't really do this with an Assault. And if the AR sees you while you're still not close, you're dead, regardless of what suit you wear. How about some numbers. Assault suit sprint is 7m/s. Scout suit sprint? 7.8m/s. So, the assault suit has 90% of the speed that scout suits have. And then you look at CPU/PG and hit points. I guess it would be fair for the scout suits to have 90% of what the assaults do, right? Wrong. They have roughly 2/3 of PG/CPU and hit points. I don't care about strafing. But the scout should be able to outrun an assault by more than 10%. Especially if scouts only have 2/3 of capacity and hit points. Everyone said scouts were OP before, but a lot of us knew it was bad hit detection. Hit detection is fixed, and the real scout suit is revealed. It's paper thin and not that fast. Don't mind that they're paper thin, but give them something to compensate. More CPU/PG, or much much faster sprinting speed. Assaults should only be able to sprint 60% or 70% of what the scouts can if we're going by the CPU/PG and hit points comparison. As is, scouts = worthless.
Exactly. The really funny thing is, the assault suit has enough extra CPU/PG (as well as extra fitting spots) to actually make up for AND EVEN SURPASS the scout suit in sprint speed and STILL have more CPU/PG and higher HP. |
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Posted - 2012.10.07 00:26:00 -
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Ranger SnakeBlood wrote:SILENTSAM 69 wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:I just have a question to add to the thread.
What can scouts do that assault suits can't to the same or near same effectiveness? Nothing, and that is the problem. The Scout use to start recharging shield quickly, then they lost that. The Scouts use to be able to dance and move quickly to avoid getting shot, but they lost that. The Scout is supposed to be harder to detect, and it isn't. The Scout is supposed to be able to detect people better, it isn't. The Scout suit was ruined in this build because the decided to listen to the crowd that cried when shooting at a moving target. There was NEVER a reason to reduce strafing, expect to appease those who can not shoot. And there was never a reason to nerf the heavy, except to appease people who couldnt be bothered to attack outside of the heavies streghts, there was never a reason to nerf the tank,except to appease people who wanted to kill them without being dedicated anti armour characters At least the strafe nerf was based on a real issue with hit detection we still dont know if the game could be this solid running on last builds speed or even if maybe the scout was still > assult who know all we know this has happened the same as the others and id say this was more justified than the other nerfs
I agree with everything here except the bit about the tank nerf. Tanks were clearly and truly broken. A properly fit tank was almost completely invulnerable to even an entire squad of high end AV users. I spent plenty of time on both ends of this equation, and there was absolutely no question in my mind, Tanks were beyond OP. INSANE amounts of HP, high speed, OHK, self repairing. Just out of control powerful.
Otherwise, you're dead on. |
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Posted - 2012.10.07 01:18:00 -
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Madison Four wrote:Yes, the Scout suit is worthless.
its only, sole, main, primary purpose was taken away by the lowering of the strafe speed.
You can't circle-strafe around everything with a smg or shottie anymore. well, I mean you CAN, but it isn't as easy as it used to be.
that was the only thing it was designed for.
So, if it's not supposed to be FASTER, what exactly WAS it designed for again? |
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