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chuckuall
RestlessSpirits
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Posted - 2012.10.04 08:11:00 -
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I understand this is a beta but the same people boosting on this game have been doing it for a while on everything they play. We need a way to report and penalize these people. Maybe a isk penalty against. the corp or a sp cutoff for a few days. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2012.10.04 08:22:00 -
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Or this: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=39069&find=unread
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GarryKE
Omnispace Trading Company
60
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Posted - 2012.10.04 13:20:00 -
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Everyone is given the same resources as each other. If you don't choose to use one system because whatever may your reason be you shouldn't penalise other people for wanting to use the systems you don't agree with.
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Whispercrow
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
102
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Posted - 2012.10.04 13:28:00 -
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Unless those systems are obviously flawed and make no damn sense whatsoever. "What, we can get five times as much points sitting here and washing our own car than the guy going around getting dozens of kills, assists, and teamspawns?" |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
397
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Posted - 2012.10.04 13:49:00 -
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I can't believe people would actually defend Boosting. It's unfair to the enemy team that is getting constantly bombarded by foes they can't hurt, and it's unfair to the teammates who have to fight the battle minus one squad. Not to mention getting reduced SP and ISK rewards because their "contribution" to the total WP pales in comparison to the boosters'.
They're slowing down the skill progression of people who are actually trying the game while speeding up their own. In a couple days, assuming they can ever tear themselves away from Austin Powers-ing LAVs into walls, they'll be riding around in prototype tanks with nothing to fear but the orbital strikes of competing boosters.
If I didn't know better, I'd say they were intentionally sabotaging the game's community. (In reality: thank goodness this became such a rampant problem now instead of after release.) |
Corban Lahnder
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
158
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Posted - 2012.10.04 14:17:00 -
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Use kamikaze vehicles to destroy what ever it is there repping.
also you could body or vehicle block them.
This is a problem players will have to self regulate if they dont agree with it. |
ATR CrAzY
1
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Posted - 2012.10.04 16:40:00 -
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lol the booster will ruin the game. why is it that thay think its ok becuse its a beta how meny of them are filling our a report about it becuse that would be the only way I would say it would be ok to boost and after you found the problem report it and stop doing it other whise your just cheating and there are other errors you can find |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2012.10.04 16:54:00 -
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GarryKE wrote:Everyone is given the same resources as each other. If you don't choose to use one system because whatever may your reason be you shouldn't penalise other people for wanting to use the systems you don't agree with.
It's fairly obvious the developers did not intend for people to play the game by ramming walls with a LAV in a safe area and calling down repeated orbital strikes with the points from repairing the LAV. I don't care much personally because the rampant exploitation only hastens the fix, but to act like what these people are doing is fine and they they shouldn't be penalized is pretty silly. |
ATR CrAzY
1
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Posted - 2012.10.04 16:56:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:GarryKE wrote:Everyone is given the same resources as each other. If you don't choose to use one system because whatever may your reason be you shouldn't penalise other people for wanting to use the systems you don't agree with.
It's fairly obvious the developers did not intend for people to play the game by ramming walls with a LAV in a safe area and calling down repeated orbital strikes with the points from repairing the LAV. I don't care much personally because the rampant exploitation only hastens the fix, but to act like what these people are doing is fine and they they shouldn't be penalized is pretty silly. +1 |
Illuminaughty-696
Omega Risk Control Services
203
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Posted - 2012.10.04 17:01:00 -
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It's okay it's a beta is a crock. You find an exploit, you report it, and stop using it. You don't keep using it and NOT report it. That's what 99.999999% of boosters are doing. They're just exploiters, not beta testers. I would have said 100%, but watch there be one guy who reported it AND boosts like it's the very meaning of life. |
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Skihids
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
969
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Posted - 2012.10.04 17:24:00 -
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GarryKE wrote:Everyone is given the same resources as each other. If you don't choose to use one system because whatever may your reason be you shouldn't penalise other people for wanting to use the systems you don't agree with.
Lol, you call it a "resource".
Be a man and own up to your exploitation. Don't insult the rest of us trying to rationalize your selfishness.
Just say, "Yes, I choose to selfishly exploit a loophole at everyone else's expense"
If you can live with that and the reputation you gain from it, just keep going. If it bothers you enough to try to defend your actions, then that should tell you something. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
401
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Posted - 2012.10.04 17:33:00 -
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chuckuall wrote:I understand this is a beta but the same people boosting on this game have been doing it for a while on everything they play. We need a way to report and penalize these people. Maybe a isk penalty against. the corp or a sp cutoff for a few days.
You got support from me plus 1 on this idea.
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GarryKE
Omnispace Trading Company
60
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Posted - 2012.10.04 18:33:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:GarryKE wrote:Everyone is given the same resources as each other. If you don't choose to use one system because whatever may your reason be you shouldn't penalise other people for wanting to use the systems you don't agree with.
It's fairly obvious the developers did not intend for people to play the game by ramming walls with a LAV in a safe area and calling down repeated orbital strikes with the points from repairing the LAV. I don't care much personally because the rampant exploitation only hastens the fix, but to act like what these people are doing is fine and they they shouldn't be penalized is pretty silly. Sorry, I'm the sort of dumb person who'd guess you were talking about booster SP packs. I'll shut up now.
Skihids wrote: Lol, you call it a "resource". Be a man and own up to your exploitation. Don't insult the rest of us trying to rationalize your selfishness.
You know, it's alright in a person being wrong and then sticking up for yourself but it gets very kiddish when you start hurling words and phrases around like "be a man". I got it noobishly wrong, I made a noobish mistake. Now I bet you're nowhere near man enough to accept and admit to it like I am, so don't start that attitude with me. |
VK deathslaer
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
149
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Posted - 2012.10.04 18:52:00 -
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Knarf Black wrote:I can't believe people would actually defend Boosting. It's unfair to the enemy team that is getting constantly bombarded by foes they can't hurt, and it's unfair to the teammates who have to fight the battle minus one squad. Not to mention getting reduced SP and ISK rewards because their "contribution" to the total WP pales in comparison to the boosters'.
They're slowing down the skill progression of people who are actually trying the game while speeding up their own. In a couple days, assuming they can ever tear themselves away from Austin Powers-ing LAVs into walls, they'll be riding around in prototype tanks with nothing to fear but the orbital strikes of competing boosters.
If I didn't know better, I'd say they were intentionally sabotaging the game's community. (In reality: thank goodness this became such a rampant problem now instead of after release.)
EVE is unfair, those who adapt and do any means necessary win! There are systems in the game that ppl just don't use, and then there are people who take full advantage. It sounds like the ppl refusing to use those systems are whinners and IDIOTS who have some kind of e-honor. And whine that they are falling behind when the know perfectly well that they can do the same and prosper.
HTFU. |
Lonewolf514
79
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Posted - 2012.10.04 19:24:00 -
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don't blame the players. the q+a probably pointed out all the flaws to the devs yet this was still released in the state its in. |
Skihids
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
969
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Posted - 2012.10.04 19:40:00 -
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GarryKE wrote:Fivetimes Infinity wrote:GarryKE wrote:Everyone is given the same resources as each other. If you don't choose to use one system because whatever may your reason be you shouldn't penalise other people for wanting to use the systems you don't agree with.
It's fairly obvious the developers did not intend for people to play the game by ramming walls with a LAV in a safe area and calling down repeated orbital strikes with the points from repairing the LAV. I don't care much personally because the rampant exploitation only hastens the fix, but to act like what these people are doing is fine and they they shouldn't be penalized is pretty silly. Sorry, I'm the sort of dumb person who'd guess you were talking about booster SP packs. I'll shut up now. Skihids wrote: Lol, you call it a "resource". Be a man and own up to your exploitation. Don't insult the rest of us trying to rationalize your selfishness.
You know, it's alright in a person being wrong and then sticking up for yourself but it gets very kiddish when you start hurling words and phrases around like "be a man". I got it noobishly wrong, I made a noobish mistake. Now I bet you're nowhere near man enough to accept and admit to it like I am, so don't start that attitude with me.
You are correct in that there is nothing wrong with someone arguing a point of view. That's what the forums are all about.
The problem is that's not what you were doing.
At this point there is no valid defense of LAV/Forge Gun SP farming. The exploit has been identified and the negative side effects on the game are well known.
Claiming that self induced damage repair is a "valid resource" to be mined as if it were ore deliberatetly placed in asteroids by the the dev's is to insult the intelligence of everyone here. It's an exploit and everyone knows it.
So yes, claiming an exploit as a legitimate resourse is a childish thing to do.
Go ahead and be selfish, just don't try to pass it off as anything but selfish. |
Goric Rumis
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
80
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Posted - 2012.10.04 19:48:00 -
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Skihids wrote:At this point there is no valid defense of LAV/Forge Gun SP farming. They're doing this with forge guns? Does that mean friendly fire is applying to splash damage on vehicles? That seems like a bug.
Skihids wrote:Claiming that self induced damage repair is a "valid resource" to be mined as if it were ore deliberatetly placed in asteroids by the the dev's is to insult the intelligence of everyone here. It's an exploit and everyone knows it.
So yes, claiming an exploit as a legitimate resourse is a childish thing to do.
Go ahead and be selfish, just don't try to pass it off as anything but selfish. Check the first part of his post. He misunderstood and thought you were talking about augmentations, like the implants you can buy for aurum on the market. Let it go.
Also, shameless self-promotion of a different thread about the same thing:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=338989#post338989
There are so many threads, I just want to make sure people are seeing one another's ideas. And I think this idea will help a lot. |
Skihids
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
969
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Posted - 2012.10.04 19:55:00 -
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VK deathslaer wrote:Knarf Black wrote:I can't believe people would actually defend Boosting. It's unfair to the enemy team that is getting constantly bombarded by foes they can't hurt, and it's unfair to the teammates who have to fight the battle minus one squad. Not to mention getting reduced SP and ISK rewards because their "contribution" to the total WP pales in comparison to the boosters'.
They're slowing down the skill progression of people who are actually trying the game while speeding up their own. In a couple days, assuming they can ever tear themselves away from Austin Powers-ing LAVs into walls, they'll be riding around in prototype tanks with nothing to fear but the orbital strikes of competing boosters.
If I didn't know better, I'd say they were intentionally sabotaging the game's community. (In reality: thank goodness this became such a rampant problem now instead of after release.) EVE is unfair, those who adapt and do any means necessary win! There are systems in the game that ppl just don't use, and then there are people who take full advantage. It sounds like the ppl refusing to use those systems are whinners and IDIOTS who have some kind of e-honor. And whine that they are falling behind when the know perfectly well that they can do the same and prosper. HTFU.
You know, you're absolutely correct. I have been wrong and short sighted.
Let's all head into Skirmish and wash our LAV's under cover. With enough practice we might become as "Hardened Up" as all those folks who play Farmville(tm) on fb. |
Skihids
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
969
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Posted - 2012.10.04 19:59:00 -
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Goric Rumis wrote:Skihids wrote:At this point there is no valid defense of LAV/Forge Gun SP farming. They're doing this with forge guns? Does that mean friendly fire is applying to splash damage on vehicles? That seems like a bug. Skihids wrote:Claiming that self induced damage repair is a "valid resource" to be mined as if it were ore deliberatetly placed in asteroids by the the dev's is to insult the intelligence of everyone here. It's an exploit and everyone knows it.
So yes, claiming an exploit as a legitimate resourse is a childish thing to do.
Go ahead and be selfish, just don't try to pass it off as anything but selfish. Check the first part of his post. He misunderstood and thought you were talking about augmentations, like the implants you can buy for aurum on the market. Let it go. Also, shameless self-promotion of a different thread about the same thing: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=338989#post338989There are so many threads, I just want to make sure people are seeing one another's ideas. And I think this idea will help a lot.
Ok, my bad if he was confusing augmentation with SP/WP farming. The first is intended, the second is not. My appologies.
And yes, the new technique is to dispense with the LAV. Just place a defend order on a Forge Gunner, toss hives at his feet and have him shoot at his feet. The splash damages him but not his teamates. They also get SP and WP for the resupply. |
Goric Rumis
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
80
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Posted - 2012.10.04 20:08:00 -
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Skihids wrote:And yes, the new technique is to dispense with the LAV. Just place a defend order on a Forge Gunner, toss hives at his feet and have him shoot at his feet. The splash damages him but not his teamates. They also get SP and WP for the resupply. Crap. Exploiters sure do get creative. So:
- Removing collision damage in the safe zone isn't going to be sufficient
- Disallowing WP in the safe zone is terrible for a team that gets red-lined
- We can't turn off getting hit by your own weapon
- We could turn off all self-damage in the safe zone, but I can't imagine that wouldn't be difficult to implement
Brainstorming:
Removing the safe zone defenses after a certain number of WP are earned there could create an interesting dynamic. Not only would it discourage boosting, but if a team gets red-lined it would provide a sort of siege element that would allow the attackers to ultimately move in and conquer the base. But we'd need a way to end the battle shortly thereafter so it isn't just several minutes of spawn camping. Maybe you can have an infantry takeover of the enemy base, instead of waiting for the MCC? This would also shorten long skirmish matches if the defenders are terribly outgunned.
There are definitely problems with this idea, please poke all the holes you can. |
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Skihids
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
969
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Posted - 2012.10.04 20:28:00 -
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What about WP's earned legitimately when redlined? Or do you figure that a team could only earn a small amount if they were already readlined?
One flaw I see is that the farmers could just save all their OB's for that occation and then decimate the opposing force with contnious bombardment. You could end up losing due to clone loss before you managed to get in and stop them.
I hate messing with physics, but I think someone's suggestion of removing all self damage in the redzone is the only one that doesn't penalize someone else. FF is already off, so it's not a stretch. |
Goric Rumis
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
80
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Posted - 2012.10.04 20:44:00 -
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That was my suggestion actually, I'm just concerned it might be a problem to remove both collision damage on vehicles and all splash damage from friendly weapons within the safe zone. But you may be right.
As for dropping the curtain after a certain amount of WP, I was thinking a team that is completely red-lined and can't break out of it within a certain time frame might be okay with a mercy kill. And if it costs 1,350 WP to get a precision strike, and let's say you need to get 10,000 WP in the safe zone to drop the curtain, you'll only have about 8 strikes. That wouldn't be nearly enough to exhaust the attackers' clone supply. This would constitute a major change to the way skirmish matches play, however, so in the end removing friendly damage in the safe zone may be the best way to go. |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
397
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Posted - 2012.10.04 20:59:00 -
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Skihids wrote:VK deathslaer wrote:Knarf Black wrote:I can't believe people would actually defend Boosting. It's unfair to the enemy team that is getting constantly bombarded by foes they can't hurt, and it's unfair to the teammates who have to fight the battle minus one squad. Not to mention getting reduced SP and ISK rewards because their "contribution" to the total WP pales in comparison to the boosters'.
They're slowing down the skill progression of people who are actually trying the game while speeding up their own. In a couple days, assuming they can ever tear themselves away from Austin Powers-ing LAVs into walls, they'll be riding around in prototype tanks with nothing to fear but the orbital strikes of competing boosters.
If I didn't know better, I'd say they were intentionally sabotaging the game's community. (In reality: thank goodness this became such a rampant problem now instead of after release.) EVE is unfair, those who adapt and do any means necessary win! There are systems in the game that ppl just don't use, and then there are people who take full advantage. It sounds like the ppl refusing to use those systems are whinners and IDIOTS who have some kind of e-honor. And whine that they are falling behind when the know perfectly well that they can do the same and prosper. HTFU. You know, you're absolutely correct. I have been wrong and short sighted. Let's all head into Skirmish and wash our LAV's under cover. With enough practice we might become as "Hardened Up" as all those folks who play Farmville(tm) on fb.
Nothing more hardcore than playing LAV bumper cars for hours on end. (Especially in the high stakes world of betas with multiple stat wipes.) |
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