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J Lav
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Posted - 2013.02.08 19:09:00 -
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I'm going to go ahead and rock the boat on this. I am a Logi player, and I use medium level kit at this point, since I don't have the SP for better.
Regarding the Repair Gun:
Better repair = more cycles in the long run, hence more WP. This is because a militia repair gun will not keep a guy on his feet. So he dies, and you die trying to revive him. Costly mistake. Using the Triage gun instead keeps the guy alive longer, giving me more cycles and, more importantly, a better chance of winning the gunfight and the battle.
Regarding the Injectors:
I see the same situation. How many revives you get doesn't really change, since reviving the guy is done for a few reasons - stay alive, save clones, keep pressure on, save kit and WP. WP should be the least of your concerns. Injectors that give more armour make it more likely that they'll stay on their feet, and inversely you stay alive. So better injectors save you ISK and make it more likely to win the gunfight and the battle. Yes a militia injector gives more WP in repairing after the revive, but now you've both been standing around hoping not to get shot for 2 minutes.
So I see no reason to reward Logi players in a battle based on what kit they brought, rather than what they did in the game. Better kit should allow you to do more, creating more opportunities for reward. Changing the WP system on these would do just reward people for what they already could do. I think that to say that you want more reward for the better kit is really ignoring what that kit is for, and a silent bid for more ISK through an indirect source. This all just seems to be a side effect of people getting used to the game at present, which is just a grind for ISK and SP. When the game's scope is added later, I think this will make much more sense. |
J Lav
Lost-Legion
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Posted - 2013.02.11 16:28:00 -
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@Cross,
I don't want to quote, since it's gonna get to be a really big post, but I'll give some thoughts.
Thanks for the civil discussion, I appreciate the openness.
I think I see your point played out that as slayers get better at their job, a support role like a Logi bro looses their opportunities for WP and SP generation. I can see that as players get better, the dedicated logi loses out and falls behind since he gets less revives, and repairs. In the present build, this makes sense then to allow Logi's to keep up with the power development.
Rewards: Here's where I think I still struggle with; It is that I think there are rewards for better gear for the Logi. It comes in other forms than more WP from the single action. It comes in victory, it comes in prolonged life and it comes in increased pressure on the battlefield and saving time. If a Logi is redundant because his slayers aren't dying, switch out and play a different role, because you're redundant. This is not a penalty to your choice of fit, but you're just not needed to play that role at that time. I like Logi because of my versatility. I don't always fit a rep tool, since fits are an extension of your play style.
Understand that I wouldn't object to a fix on this, I would benefit significantly from it. It did strike me at first that fewer reps meant less WP for getting my heavy partner back up to full. |
J Lav
Lost-Legion
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Posted - 2013.02.12 12:56:00 -
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On an upside for you guys, last night I was getting more 5 more WP for using the Triage rep gun than the militia rep gun. Looks like they've heard you :) Can anyone confirm this? |
J Lav
Lost-Legion
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Posted - 2013.02.14 01:47:00 -
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J Lav wrote:On an upside for you guys, last night I was getting more 5 more WP for using the Triage rep gun than the militia rep gun. Looks like they've heard you :) Can anyone confirm this?
Again, any confirmation here? I think they've fixed this |
J Lav
Lost-Legion
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Posted - 2013.02.14 12:17:00 -
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Rhuvian Marccus wrote:J Lav wrote:J Lav wrote:On an upside for you guys, last night I was getting more 5 more WP for using the Triage rep gun than the militia rep gun. Looks like they've heard you :) Can anyone confirm this? Again, any confirmation here? I think they've fixed this I believe you were gaining the WP bonus associated with squad orders being followed.
The people I was repping weren't in my squad though. Is it not working for you? |
J Lav
Lost-Legion
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Posted - 2013.02.15 03:32:00 -
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Rhuvian Marccus wrote:J Lav wrote:Rhuvian Marccus wrote:J Lav wrote:J Lav wrote:On an upside for you guys, last night I was getting more 5 more WP for using the Triage rep gun than the militia rep gun. Looks like they've heard you :) Can anyone confirm this? Again, any confirmation here? I think they've fixed this I believe you were gaining the WP bonus associated with squad orders being followed. The people I was repping weren't in my squad though. Is it not working for you? That shouldn't matter - if for instance the defend order was placed on either you or a squad mate near you, any action that gains WP near the person designated with the defend order receives bonus WP. Granted, if that wasn't the case (easily test-able) then I'm full of **** as per usual and you can ignore me. 
Hmmm, there may have been a defend order on me at the time... disappointing. |
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