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BestNameEva Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 86	Posted - 2012.10.02 08:06:00 - [1] - Quote As if we didn't have enough problems staying alive for long, now it feels like a rock and the new height limit is CRAZY! first thing I did this build was buy a viper to test the new controls, and the first thing I did was bounce of an invisible ceiling just flying to an objective. I agree with a height limit because last build you could fly near into orbit but come on.
Xiree Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 55	Posted - 2012.10.02 08:17:00 - [2] - Quote I'm not sure why people fly so high... just because a aircraft flies doesn't mean to hit the highest part of the map. Flying means to cover ground in a faster pace and going over everything, also in the drop ship you pickup and deploy troops... Moving people to pointa to point b. Not just hovering over the map... You are suppose to stay part of the battle. I believe that is why they fixed that.
BestNameEva Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 86	Posted - 2012.10.02 08:22:00 - [3] - Quote Xiree wrote: I'm not sure why people fly so high... just because a aircraft flies doesn't mean to hit the highest part of the map. Flying means to cover ground in a faster pace and going over everything, also in the drop ship you pickup and deploy troops... Moving people to pointa to point b. Not just hovering over the map... You are suppose to stay part of the battle. I believe that is why they fixed that. there's fixing and then there's not being able to fly normally with out hitting your head. have you ever tried to escape missiles in a dropship? It aint easy....well wasn't easy, now it's imposable trust me I know how to deliver passengers and flying 20 meters above the battle is not the way to do it
BestNameEva Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 86	Posted - 2012.10.02 08:53:00 - [4] - Quote also I hate when people BUMP there threads
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.10.02 08:56:00 - [5] - Quote Xiree wrote: I'm not sure why people fly so high... just because a aircraft flies doesn't mean to hit the highest part of the map. Flying means to cover ground in a faster pace and going over everything, also in the drop ship you pickup and deploy troops... Moving people to pointa to point b. Not just hovering over the map... You are suppose to stay part of the battle. I believe that is why they fixed that. Have you flown a dropship since Precursor launched? It is next to impossible to fly close to the ground, as going forward/backward/left/right requires tilting the dropship, so that the thrusters (which are only on the bottom) apply thrust in the direction you want to go. Flying across the map now, it is impossible not to hit this new ceiling.
Gunner Needed The Southern Legion 111	Posted - 2012.10.02 11:04:00 - [6] - Quote BestNameEva wrote: As if we didn't have enough problems staying alive for long, now it feels like a rock and the new height limit is CRAZY! first thing I did this build was buy a viper to test the new controls, and the first thing I did was bounce of an invisible ceiling just flying to an objective. I agree with a height limit because last build you could fly near into orbit but come on. +1
jenza aranda BetaMax. 1005	Posted - 2012.10.02 11:06:00 - [7] - Quote i do agree with this thread.
Lance Mephalius ZionTCD Legacy Rising 15	Posted - 2012.10.02 11:15:00 - [8] - Quote Just imagine if they had the invisible ceiling when fighter jets come into the beta
Daalzebul Del'Armgo D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire 48	Posted - 2012.10.02 11:17:00 - [9] - Quote any ceiling is wrong.
coldfire reborn ZionTCD Legacy Rising 63	Posted - 2012.10.02 11:46:00 - [10] - Quote Come on ccp why did you do this tell us why you pit a cap on how high we can fly?

TiMeSpLiT--TeR Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 326	Posted - 2012.10.02 11:50:00 - [11] - Quote They shouldn't put an invisible wall. Maybe a warning saying you're going out the boundaries and your engine will shut down. Edit: They did this with Battle Field Games, Starhawk, Warhawk, etc. No invisible wall please!
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 742	Posted - 2012.10.02 11:52:00 - [12] - Quote This invisible ceiling is just doing us in. Now we're forced to fly low and get smashed by every other vehicle, we can't even fly high to avoid missiles -_-
Gunner Needed The Southern Legion 111	Posted - 2012.10.02 12:02:00 - [13] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: This invisible ceiling is just doing us in. Now we're forced to fly low and get smashed by every other vehicle, we can't even fly high to avoid missiles -_- easy pickings for a FORGE gun.
Encharrion L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 104	Posted - 2012.10.02 12:31:00 - [14] - Quote The invisible flight ceiling is EXTREMELY lame. If they wanted to prevent us from flying as high as we could, they should have simply increased the "wobbly" effect when you got too high last build. In addition to that, it isn't as if I have a problem avoiding swarms, even with the reduced flight ceiling. It breaks immersion and is an extremely lame solution.
Odiain Suliis 39	Posted - 2012.10.02 12:38:00 - [15] - Quote Is this colliding with the ceiling hapeining as if one would be colliding to any other object minus damage? Of that's the case then it's extremely poorly handled ceiling. If there needs to be ceiling it should be implemented with not enough thrust to go higher. And that should be incremental decrease in thrust.
Billi Gene Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 130	Posted - 2012.10.02 12:43:00 - [16] - Quote havent flown yet this build, my first thought was that they wanted to stop tower campers, but surely that would be easier just by making it impossible to land on (tilted) roofs? How low is this ceiling? I don't have enough isk to warrant losing 100k to swarms...
Ire's thug GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 272	Posted - 2012.10.02 12:48:00 - [17] - Quote Drop ships are awesome this patch! Sure we can't tower camp anymore but the controls are way more precise and the landing gear works now! Stop qqing and adapt
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 969	Posted - 2012.10.02 13:34:00 - [18] - Quote I haven't been able to get into the build yet. Please explain what you mean by "precise". I found that in the last build that the controls aimed the thrust quite precisely and that the flight physics were precisely what would result from shifting the direction of thrust. What changed to make you feel that precision increased?
Ire's thug GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 272	Posted - 2012.10.02 14:03:00 - [19] - Quote Skihids wrote: I haven't been able to get into the build yet. Please explain what you mean by "precise". I found that in the last build that the controls aimed the thrust quite precisely and that the flight physics were precisely what would result from shifting the direction of thrust. What changed to make you feel that precision increased? Maybe precise is the wrong word.. more responsive would better represent the control scheme. When you try it out you'll see what I mean. Long story short, drop ships are fine we just have to find new ways to exploit
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 969	Posted - 2012.10.02 14:07:00 - [20] - Quote Ire's thug wrote: Skihids wrote: I haven't been able to get into the build yet. Please explain what you mean by "precise". I found that in the last build that the controls aimed the thrust quite precisely and that the flight physics were precisely what would result from shifting the direction of thrust. What changed to make you feel that precision increased? Maybe precise is the wrong word.. more responsive would better represent the control scheme. Interesting. By more responsive do you mean less inertia/greater accelleration as in fitting the lows with nanos?

Dusty Mokong ZionTCD Legacy Rising 61	Posted - 2012.10.02 14:07:00 - [21] - Quote Ceiling is just wrong. Make it an unsafe zone instead and make it a bit higher.
Sin3 DeusNomine Doomheim 142	Posted - 2012.10.02 14:34:00 - [22] - Quote Ire's thug wrote: Drop ships are awesome this patch! Sure we can't tower camp anymore but the controls are way more precise and the landing gear works now! Stop qqing and adapt You say this now but soon as forge guns start breaking way you will find out why people like me are so pissed. Swarms have never been a problem for me I have only been taken down once by swarms in the last month. And that is because my gunner was not the brightest and says nothing when 5 guys have launched swarms at the same time causing me to be alphaed. But the problem here is now your forced in forge gun range at all times. And forge guns are very OP against drop ships because you have no defense. If once you get hit by a forge gun you can expect to loose your ship. Because either you are sitting still and by the time you get moving the forger has shot 2 more shots which means the death of even a well tanked dropship. or he is good with the forger and he can hit you moving as easy as if he was shooting a barn that was 5 feet in front of him. First off this is a hard ceiling you hit it like a building without damage second the ceiling is very very low only allowing you very limited space and freedom to counter the AV in this game. I used to love flying up as high as possible going upside down adding thrust to gain up tons of speed point my nose down continuing the free fall then pull up at the last second skimming just a few feet from the ground. :) I would have enigma going oh $hit oh $hit oh $hit sometimes. No I do not know how the flight mechanics preform because when i started flying my drop ship I hit the ceiling was like what is going on flew forward a 100 feet tried going up again hit a wall above me and just said screw this. this is not right and just let my drop ship plumet to the ground as I jumped out because I was so pissed. ya 300k worth of viper was left to crash into the ground because I was pretty pissed but I plan on testing it out and seeing if the flight mechanics let me to achieve what I did last build in flying close ground maneuver.
G Sacred Rubber Chicken Bombers 73	Posted - 2012.10.02 14:38:00 - [23] - Quote My favorite thing to do was get my dropship full, fly up high, then do like 3 consecutive barrel rolls and make everyone bail. Trollololololol
Stzy514 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2012.10.02 17:44:00 - [24] - Quote Daalzebul Del'Armgo wrote: any ceiling is wrong. totally agree!!!!
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 902	Posted - 2012.10.02 18:07:00 - [25] - Quote From a forge gunner: I also feel that the flight ceiling reduction is silly. How high is the ceiling? It really shouldn't be anything less than 1 km IMO.
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 969	Posted - 2012.10.02 18:12:00 - [26] - Quote Stzy514 wrote: Daalzebul Del'Armgo wrote: any ceiling is wrong. totally agree!!!! Some very high ceiling is fine if it is implemented as a performance issue. I can't get over 10k feet in my Cessna, and you can forget about making it into orbit in a light aircraft of any type. Having the ship wallow a bit at its performance ceiling was realistic and incrreased the player skill requirement. Limiting advanced plasma jet technology to a few hundred feet is completely ludicrous. My Cesna can fly circles around your dropship and thousands of feet higher. Doing it with a force field turns it into a cheap arcade ride. The most effective ceiling is the fact that you can't do anything after you achieve a certain altitude because everything below disappears into the distance.
arimal lavaren L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 186	Posted - 2012.10.02 18:13:00 - [27] - Quote Way way too low. I feel like I can't dodge swarms as well (even with the improved handling), because I keep scrapping the ceiling and losing any momentum I may have had.
Gunner Needed The Southern Legion 111	Posted - 2012.10.03 10:19:00 - [28] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: From a forge gunner: I also feel that the flight ceiling reduction is silly. How high is the ceiling? It really shouldn't be anything less than 1 km IMO. lower than the angled top buildings on the 3 point map. Iv been flying since E3 and this sucks! cant barrel roll or flip, lose momentum trying to escape missiles, cant even fly up high enough to drop in for a fast fly over Aaaaargh! I can see clear sky's this build if CCP don't do something. new controls seem good however. a bit heavier and better turning. just lose the ceiling, its not like we were flying where people couldn't shoot us before.
BestNameEva Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 86	Posted - 2012.10.03 10:36:00 - [29] - Quote Billi Gene wrote: havent flown yet this build, my first thought was that they wanted to stop tower campers, but surely that would be easier just by making it impossible to land on (tilted) roofs? How low is this ceiling? I don't have enough isk to warrant losing 100k to swarms... Or they could just add an out of bounds to the top of buildings, that would work (and give me just enough time to blow up the home base Rail installation) although I don't like the way tactics are being removed for a more....dare I say......COD experience. in EVE its ok to cut the power to someones house so you can kill his Titan but in Dust you drop your squad on a tower and people rage
G Torq ALTA B2O 88	Posted - 2012.10.03 10:51:00 - [30] - Quote Skihids wrote: Stzy514 wrote: Daalzebul Del'Armgo wrote: any ceiling is wrong. totally agree!!!! Some very high ceiling is fine if it is implemented as a performance issue. I can't get over 10k feet in my Cessna, and you can forget about making it into orbit in a light aircraft of any type. Having the ship wallow a bit at its performance ceiling was realistic and incrreased the player skill requirement. Limiting advanced plasma jet technology to a few hundred feet is completely ludicrous. My Cesna can fly circles around your dropship and thousands of feet higher. Doing it with a force field turns it into a cheap arcade ride. The most effective ceiling is the fact that you can't do anything after you achieve a certain altitude because everything below disappears into the distance. I suspect that your Cessna has a slightly different propulsion method, which requires atmosphere (at least looking at drop-ships, this appears to not be the case for them). That said, I think making thrust decrease as a factor of elevation could be a valid game-mechanism to keep drop-ships from flying too high. Linear decrease after 1K, maxing out at a few Ks?

Naquiri ExcelsiCorp Securities 42	Posted - 2012.10.03 12:54:00 - [31] - Quote I have not played too much on the Codex build. I have to agree though, the flight ceiling of the Dropship is very dissapointing. In the previous build, I regularly set up a camp on the Towers; I was a Logi with spawn and resupply drops. I would fly up to a Tower, make the camp, then fly around. I liked being able to do this, as it gave a strategic advantage, and forced the other team to position snipers, or fly their own ship up there to deal with the Camp.
Sees-Too-Much 11	Posted - 2012.10.03 12:58:00 - [32] - Quote I'm opposed to a flight ceiling as a matter of principle, but I never fly high enough to hit this one. Staying low where every dickhole with a swarm can't see you is the way to survive. Also, lol @ "diving to do a fast flyover" in a vector thrust aircraft. Same for barrel rolls.
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 969	Posted - 2012.10.03 13:19:00 - [33] - Quote Sees-Too-Much wrote: I'm opposed to a flight ceiling as a matter of principle, but I never fly high enough to hit this one. Staying low where every dickhole with a swarm can't see you is the way to survive. Also, lol @ "diving to do a fast flyover" in a vector thrust aircraft. Same for barrel rolls. All pilots should be aware of the flight physics of their craft. Without a wing you cannot convert motion in one plane to motion in another plane. Unless of course the gods have seen fit to alter how physics work in this world.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.10.03 13:56:00 - [34] - Quote Ire's thug wrote: Drop ships are awesome this patch! Sure we can't tower camp anymore but the controls are way more precise and the landing gear works now! Stop qqing and adapt Didn't I shoot you down yesterday with a militia launcher?
Sin3 DeusNomine Doomheim 142	Posted - 2012.10.03 14:28:00 - [35] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: From a forge gunner: I also feel that the flight ceiling reduction is silly. How high is the ceiling? It really shouldn't be anything less than 1 km IMO. Kain I do dislike your forge gun because your one of the very few that can hit me when I am flying all crazy. lol. Now for the Height it is just below the towers so you can not fly above them. Basically it is set to the bottom of the MCC.
Reimus Klinsman BetaMax. 319	Posted - 2012.10.03 14:34:00 - [36] - Quote I haven't yet flown in a Dropship but I do know about the lowered ceiling. That will make DSs much less useful.
The Lady Rose Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.10.03 18:04:00 - [37] - Quote Completely agree. The new height cap has seriously damped the aerial game.
gangsta nachos Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 377	Posted - 2012.10.03 18:13:00 - [38] - Quote They will probably add skills for flying higher or mods to the market
BestNameEva Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 86	Posted - 2012.10.04 02:20:00 - [39] - Quote CCP?
Tbone322 D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 124	Posted - 2012.10.04 15:20:00 - [40] - Quote What prompted the ceiling in the first place? No one was crying about OP dropships, and most pilots I know spent most of the time at a reasonable height unless they had to escape a forge gunner. Even without a ceiling most people can't get through a game with the same ship. I would really like to know the data they used to decide a ceiling was necessary.



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