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Jotun Hiem
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
412
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Posted - 2012.10.02 03:45:00 -
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Garrett Whetshaft wrote:CCP Contra Merc wrote:Take in consideration that the War points can later be used for an Orbital Strike. So you have the choice to save them. Forgive me for asking, if they can be used later, does this mean they carry into a new match? So you could start a new match and call it in? Thanks
He means that the capability will be introduced later. |
Anax 01
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.10.02 03:46:00 -
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Lasarte Ioni wrote:I've finally leared how to survive those "precision" strikes; you just have to run towards the center and stay still, while watchin the awesome explotions around you. I've survived 3 of 4 doing so, so maybe its worth a try.
In the previous build someone called one on top of me because I was sniping in an Ambush map, up in the hills. I just couldn't move fast enough, so I just knelt there waiting to die. Well, I didn't. I took absolutely no damage. |
Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
914
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Posted - 2012.10.02 03:51:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:So what are the limitations on OBs? Does anyone know?
It was just one after another after another, clearing out our spawn again and again and again >_<
Someone reported earlier getting an OB at the end of the match. He had two people in his team, and they had a combined 18xx War points when the match ended. Seems 1800 may be the magic number. This makes sense and accounts for the high volume of orbitals we are getting. If you are in a squad that is using orders (rally now gives WP people!) then you will get massive WP and as a result massive numbers of Orbitals.
And Eve players cannot access SiSi, so there are not orbitals coming from Eve players (yet). |
DeathwindRising
ROGUE SPADES
3
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Posted - 2012.10.02 03:56:00 -
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why not just limit the OS's a squad leader can call in per match to 3? |
Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
914
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Posted - 2012.10.02 03:57:00 -
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DeathwindRising wrote:why not just limit the OS's a squad leader can call in per match to 3?
Dear lord no! I like it - it adds SO much to the game. And the fear people have of them now that they can't run away as easily due to the shorter delay between calling them in and them hitting... PRICELESS! |
Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
914
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Posted - 2012.10.02 04:06:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:So what are the limitations on OBs? Does anyone know?
It was just one after another after another, clearing out our spawn again and again and again >_< Someone reported earlier getting an OB at the end of the match. He had two people in his team, and they had a combined 18xx War points when the match ended. Seems 1800 may be the magic number. This makes sense and accounts for the high volume of orbitals we are getting. If you are in a squad that is using orders (rally now gives WP people!) then you will get massive WP and as a result massive numbers of Orbitals. And Eve players cannot access SiSi, so there are not orbitals coming from Eve players (yet).
Here's the thread:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=38593&find=unread |
Anax 01
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.10.02 13:12:00 -
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Since precision strikes are called in a lot more often in the new build, I've had a lot of 'em cast on me as I was perched on the most remote spot I could find. I haven't counted them, but so far the must have been about 10. Every single time I've been kneeling and expecting to die and every single time I have come out unscathed. I don't even know if you die instantly or lose your HP bit by bit.
Now I wonder if there's a bug or if it's pure dumb luck. |
m621 zma
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
22
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Posted - 2012.10.02 13:20:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:[quote=DUST Fiend]Someone reported earlier getting an OB at the end of the match. He had two people in his team, and they had a combined 18xx War points when the match ended. Seems 1800 may be the magic number. This makes sense and accounts for the high volume of orbitals we are getting.
I think you'll find OB's are available for 1250 warpoints - you can get that repping a LAV in a game as a '1 man squad'  |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
437
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Posted - 2012.10.02 13:48:00 -
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It's important that the cost of precision strikes and orbital bombardment is kept as is, cause that makes it obvious when someone has found an WP exploit. |
Jariel Manton
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
210
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Posted - 2012.10.02 13:56:00 -
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Last night with my main STB guys i was calling in sometimes 7-8 orbitals a game. While i agree that we should pull in more than most crews that number seemed a little high. 5 for a team that constantly was setting objectives in the best positions should be able to rain down fire from the heavens, just not more than 5 times. My vote is up the wp requirement by another 500 points and that might even it out a bit. |
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Valx Valor
Prototype Technology Corp.
5
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Posted - 2012.10.02 14:27:00 -
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There should be an ISK cost to them. 50k would deter people from spamming them. |
Jin J'Rayle
D3ath D3alers
RISE of LEGION
60
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Posted - 2012.10.02 19:04:00 -
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I think a cooldown timer between strikes is the way to go. Accumulate all the war points you want, but the MCC should require time to reload their big guns. |
EnIgMa99
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
219
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Posted - 2012.10.04 14:59:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I'm facing the Zitros and Jenza and a couple of others, they're doing alright sure, but they've already dropped 12-13 OBs....did they change how frequently you can drop them or something?
you can now use orbitals to get more orbitals. Not sure if Corp matches would be worth it since it would be 2 corrdinated teams and what 12 orbitals per squad per game, 16 people per team 8 squads total and what thats 96 orbital strikes per match? thats about how many bullets i shoot in the current ambush map with a tac rifle. |
Dzark Kill
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
115
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Posted - 2012.10.04 15:14:00 -
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CCP Contra Merc wrote:No Orbital Strikes yet, because EVE players are still not allowed into SiSi.
What you experience are warbarge "Precision Strikes", these are granted to squad leaders when they have earned enough war points during the match.
Potato = potato
tomato = tomato
ok OB doesn't = PS however the whole mechanic is kittened up due to allowing exploiters to run wild in the game and rewarding their UBER exploit skills with damn near infinate OB's (read PS's if it annoy you for us to get the lingo wrong but as OB's dont exist yet i'm sure you know what we mean  )
This is ruining the experience for everyone and silence on the issue will only reduce peoples opinion of your ability to fight the war against exploitation. Currently it looks like CCP approves of Exploiting and gives the fingers to everyone it hurts.
So far the only way we can counter (according to posts ive seen from DEV's) this exploit is to waste countless isk on tanks, 1 dev made the statement in a thread that we need to fit tanks better to survive. So Merc's dropships and LAV's have no chance because well fitted tank struggle with the ammount of PS spam.
Atleast we now know the anwser to what the 514 in the title means. The average number of PS's an exploiter is entitled too. |
Alldin Kan
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
169
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Posted - 2012.10.04 15:19:00 -
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Jin J'Rayle wrote:I think a cooldown timer between strikes is the way to go. Accumulate all the war points you want, but the MCC should require time to reload their big guns.
Cooldown fails... increase requirement instead. |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.10.04 15:21:00 -
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The problem is how ridiculously easy it is to farm WP. Yesterday I saw one from "Warriors" getting over 10k WP, and only 16 kills, which I'm certain he got from the strikes, which he dropped constantly for the last half of the battle.
Another from Warriors got well over 9000 WP that round.
We still lost because we were only a handful of people actually engaging the enemy.
CCP. Please force a corp rename on "Warriors" to "Farmers" |
Illuminaughty-696
Omega Risk Control Services
203
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Posted - 2012.10.04 15:42:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:CCP Contra Merc wrote:No Orbital Strikes yet, because EVE players are still not allowed into SiSi.
What you experience are warbarge "Precision Strikes", these are granted to squad leaders when they have earned enough war points during the match. Damn, they were doing alright, but they literally just dropped one strike after the other after the other, the same squad leader 3 times in a row....did you guys lower the requirements or something??
You can bank them. You don't have to use it as soon as you get it. I've saved three up before and dropped them consecutively. Now if one squad leader is getting 10+ a match, they are almost definitely boosting and WP farming, which has led to the misrepresentation of precision strikes as the problem, when it is WP farming that is to blame.
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Ten-Sidhe
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
414
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Posted - 2012.10.04 16:20:00 -
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I had a match where there was constant ps over most the game. The other side had the betamax steamroller squad placed 3rd to 4th, and 2 warriors had about 50% more sp then the zitro brothers. And two players on my team had around 3-4k wp. So, around 30k wp worth of orbitals from 1/4 the players.
The farming needs fixed, I can adapt to the really good squads. When a team has farmers and good squads...
I could just image the strikes from 32vs32 corp battle if each side was farming or 1/2 as good as steamroller squad. Orbitalstrike warning might sound like a dj is scratching a record, orbit-or-or-or-orbital str-str-str-strike, lol. |
Oxskull Duncarino
Shadow Company HQ
165
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Posted - 2012.10.04 17:00:00 -
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What The French Beta Corp can be added to the list of Corps farming. The last game I played there was no sign of the opposition for the first 4 min yet there was 10 on the other team. All of a sudden it was a non stop barrage of precision strikes with fire teams running around behind them. If I had simply joined during the game I would have thought it was just good squad work by the whole team, but to go from my team having the whole battle ground to not having a chance to breath between strike coupled with their top player going 34-0 with over 8000wp, well, farming is all it could have been.
Seeing as this is a beta though I'm ok with this as only by groups being obvious about the farming can CCP fix the problem.
My pleasure in playing this game far out weights any irritation the farmers cause. |
jenza aranda
BetaMax.
1005
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Posted - 2012.10.04 17:15:00 -
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I would just like to state that we where not farming in the game that OP first mentioned, it was actually one of the first games we played after the build hit and trust me, we where just as suprised as you where at how many OBs we where getting.
Basically the Zitros are both awesome killers for those who havnt seen them, by placing an squad order on them, i was able to make massive points from their kills plus the bonus they got for killing which all raked up for a commendation |
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