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STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.09.29 22:03:00 -
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Would this game be better as a third-person shooter? Maybe something with a high camera fidelity like some action adventure games or more over the shoulder like tactical 3rd person shooters.
Any thoughts? |
howard sanchez
Conspiratus Immortalis
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Posted - 2012.09.29 22:05:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Would this game be better as a third-person shooter? Maybe something with a high camera fidelity like some action adventure games or more over the shoulder like tactical 3rd person shooters.
Any thoughts? Like..what's that game you're pLaying while waiting for the patch...? |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.09.29 22:08:00 -
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No. Raging flaming angry ranting no.
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STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.09.29 22:08:00 -
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howard sanchez wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Would this game be better as a third-person shooter? Maybe something with a high camera fidelity like some action adventure games or more over the shoulder like tactical 3rd person shooters.
Any thoughts? Like..what's that game you're pLaying while waiting for the patch...? I'm playing dust until the next patch |
Xavier Hastings
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.09.29 22:08:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Would this game be better as a third-person shooter? Maybe something with a high camera fidelity like some action adventure games or more over the shoulder like tactical 3rd person shooters.
Any thoughts? It would be a completely different feel, that is for certain. Maybe CCP will incorporate a "Third Person Deathmatch Mode" if they ever decide to place an Arena. |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2012.09.29 22:11:00 -
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Third person is okay I guess if it's a cover-based shooter and you'd otherwise be looking at jack **** because you're constantly behind waist-high objects.
Third person also works well for games with a lot of melee combat, as first person can get disorienting for that.
So, no, it wouldn't be a good fit for Dust in my opinion. It'd make aiming harder and there'd be essentially no payoff aside from getting to look at your characters bum all game. |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.09.29 22:11:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:No. Raging flaming angry ranting no.
Any non-trolling thoughts? |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.09.29 22:12:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:Third person is okay I guess if it's a cover-based shooter and you'd otherwise be looking at jack **** because you're constantly behind waist-high objects.
Third person also works well for games with a lot of melee combat, as first person can get disorienting for that.
So, no, it wouldn't be a good fit for Dust in my opinion. It'd make aiming harder and there'd be essentially no payoff aside from getting to look at your characters bum all game.
At least someone made reasonable points |
CLONE 2774
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.09.29 22:21:00 -
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Maybe the ability to switch at free will like Star wars Battlefront 2 or Fallout |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2012.09.29 22:24:00 -
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Honestly I prefer the 1st person experience, if only for immersion. |
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Varys Targaryen
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Posted - 2012.09.29 22:24:00 -
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Honestly, I think a third person shooter would work really well with this game because of all the vanity items that will go for sale. That's the only reason though. |
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS
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Posted - 2012.09.29 22:25:00 -
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Stupid suggestion of the year award goes to. |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.09.29 22:30:00 -
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ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:Stupid suggestion of the year award goes to.
You already have it
Edit: (to self) not gonna rage, not gonna rage, not gonna rage, not gonna rage, not gonna rage... |
ThatGUYisSO GOOOOOOOOOOD
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Posted - 2012.09.29 23:01:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Would this game be better as a third-person shooter? Maybe something with a high camera fidelity like some action adventure games or more over the shoulder like tactical 3rd person shooters.
Any thoughts?
STB LOL |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.09.29 23:32:00 -
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There is really no clear answer to the question about first-person and third-person views. This is because it is narrowed down to player's preferences. I am mainly a first-person perspective guy because it makes me feel like I am that person holding the weapon and aiming down the sight. Third-person view is something I would reserve for operating vehicles because I have poor depth perception when it comes to virtual worlds and vehicles in the first-person perspective. Other players might like it better in third-person because it lets them see where exactly their character is standing in relation the environment. Third-person is also appropriate for social gatherings like you see in PlayStation Home and Second Life.
As you can see, it is down to personal preference. Some like it first-person so that they can have that "I was there" feeling when they fight in a match. Others like third-person just for situational awareness and admiring their avatar. |
Longshot Ravenwood
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
680
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Posted - 2012.09.29 23:59:00 -
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Make it a destructible sensor module, uses up an equipment slot. You can pop it up and give yourself a drone sensor perspective, we can shoot it down & throw off your game until you get to a resupply or respawn. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.09.30 00:05:00 -
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Longshot Ravenwood wrote:Make it a destructible sensor module, uses up an equipment slot. You can pop it up and give yourself a drone sensor perspective, we can shoot it down & throw off your game until you get to a resupply or respawn.
Then the Eve players are going to want the same thing too since their in-game lore points out that they can see the outside of their spaceships the same way you described. Except they are not installed as modules but rather as standard equipment built into the ship with a ready supply of camera drones. |
Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.09.30 00:16:00 -
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Mm. This far along though into the games development stages and turning it into a third person shooter would be seriously costly to the developer and publisher alike. Not that it is a bad idea -- we'll never know -- however it is safe to say that as it stands it's best to leave it as a first person shooter. For better or worse. Now maybe at a later time they'll be able to work in something like variation or options in which will allow the player (us) to play some of Dust514 in third person rather then soley first person. Nonetheless though turning the entire game into a third person would just be too costly.
Not a bad thought though. I certainly have a soft spot for most third person games -- Warhawk, SOCOM -- for examples from the PlayStation family. I'd mention Starhawk, but that game upsets me.
Hm. Still it is not a bad idea of what could have been. Props to you for the suggestion. |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.09.30 00:20:00 -
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Rorek IronBlood wrote:
Mm. This far along though into the games development stages and turning it into a third person shooter would be seriously costly to the developer and publisher alike. Not that it is a bad idea -- we'll never know -- however it is safe to say that as it stands it's best to leave it as a first person shooter. For better or worse. Now maybe at a later time they'll be able to work in something like variation or options in which will allow the player (us) to play some of Dust514 in third person rather then soley first person. Nonetheless though turning the entire game into a third person would just be too costly.
Not a bad thought though. I certainly have a soft spot for most third person games -- Warhawk, SOCOM -- for examples from the PlayStation family. I'd mention Starhawk, but that game upsets me.
Hm. Still it is not a bad idea of what could have been. Props to you for the suggestion.
I've thought about it since june but i never posted it |
Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.09.30 00:33:00 -
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You mean since June? Hm. Well still it is a good thought, but considering the costs of going back this late into the games development, and the delays? I garuntee while it just won't happen, but as I said it is probable that they [CCP] may introduce some variation or game modes which will allow for third person gameplay. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare2 had a couple of third person game modes though very ugly looking in the character animation department. Ha-ha. Still it could happen, but the game overall will always be first person as it was designed and intended to be.
Not a bad idea though like I said. I'm sure they must have discussed in which route to take Dust514 though. |
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Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.09.30 00:51:00 -
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I've never really been a fan of 3rd person shooters. I think the only one I've really liked so far rather than merely tolerated was Starhawk. I really prefer the immersion that the 1st person perspective provides, and aiming feels more fluid to me that way. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.09.30 00:52:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:I've never really been a fan of 3rd person shooters. I think the only one I've really liked so far rather than merely tolerated was Starhawk. I really prefer the immersion that the 1st person perspective provides, and aiming feels more fluid to me that way.
If CCP ever decides to do avatar-based PvP in EVE (LE GASP), I wouldn't mind that being in third person. Oookay I hit edit to post this, but apparently that meant I secretly wanted to quote it. Go figure. |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.09.30 16:01:00 -
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Bump |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.10.01 01:57:00 -
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No more thoughts on this? |
Fiasco Llana
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.01 02:11:00 -
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For the MMO side of things this would make sense. But it would also give a tactical advantage to people who liked playing socom, you could see around corners when a first person perspective player can't. The only way to do it would be a "corner drone" You can switch it to the left or right side, and it would hover over your shoulder. Make it a pretty big target. (Ps3 slim size) and a circle with a glowing red eye.
The screen would be in the upper corner.
You could also use it as a scout to look ahead of where you want to go VIA command wheel. Something like double tap the weapon wheel to give orders.
This game does remind me a lot of star wars battlefront 1. |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.10.01 02:13:00 -
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Fiasco Llana wrote:For the MMO side of things this would make sense. But it would also give a tactical advantage to people who liked playing socom, you could see around corners when a first person perspective player can't. The only way to do it would be a "corner drone" You can switch it to the left or right side, and it would hover over your shoulder.
You could also use it as a scout to look ahead of where you want to go VIA command wheel. Something like double tap the weapon wheel to give orders.
This game does remind me a lot of star wars battlefront 1.
Old people and their memories. It's a bit closer to elite squadron |
Fiasco Llana
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.01 02:14:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Fiasco Llana wrote:For the MMO side of things this would make sense. But it would also give a tactical advantage to people who liked playing socom, you could see around corners when a first person perspective player can't. The only way to do it would be a "corner drone" You can switch it to the left or right side, and it would hover over your shoulder.
You could also use it as a scout to look ahead of where you want to go VIA command wheel. Something like double tap the weapon wheel to give orders.
This game does remind me a lot of star wars battlefront 1. Old people and their memories. It's a bit closer to elite squadron
You only say that because there was the orbital strike gun lols. OP as hell. I remember playing that game online. |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.10.01 02:33:00 -
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Fiasco Llana wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Fiasco Llana wrote:For the MMO side of things this would make sense. But it would also give a tactical advantage to people who liked playing socom, you could see around corners when a first person perspective player can't. The only way to do it would be a "corner drone" You can switch it to the left or right side, and it would hover over your shoulder.
You could also use it as a scout to look ahead of where you want to go VIA command wheel. Something like double tap the weapon wheel to give orders.
This game does remind me a lot of star wars battlefront 1. Old people and their memories. It's a bit closer to elite squadron You only say that because there was the orbital strike gun lols. OP as hell. I remember playing that game online.
Never used it, i went melee all day |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2012.10.01 02:37:00 -
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I usually prefer FPS over TPS, but if somehow this game turned into a TPS, I wouldn't have a problem as long as it works well as a TPS. Maybe then we could get stuff like rolling, and vaulting. |
Xiree
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.01 02:47:00 -
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Nope, third-person mode is a weak idea.
I've seen numerous posts about this already... It flakey, and lame idea. I hope they remove all the third person views... From vehicles and add some type of rear-view mirror side mirrors(like drones use).
It requires people to be more skillful... I like third person views, but they make the game incredibly easy, because you get a greater view. It requires less coherence, because you can see all around. First person requires you to be more perceptive.
If they would not had third person in tanks... No one would have used tanks... Just like in battlefield 3 until people figured out how to switch.
I understand why you want it though, because the game is so hard for you and you want it easier... But games are about acquiring skill and if its too easy, it becomes too kiddy.
I know you an yr lil pals like being sneaky, but if you and everyone else is in third person.. Then yr lil ability to sneak becomes pretty useless. |
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Xiree
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.01 02:51:00 -
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As for rolling and vaulting... You could do that in FPS... Games like Brink, Mirror's edge**... Utilized automated traversing methods(on the fly, vaulting, and scaling walls) . Even in Skyrim you can roll.
I'd be alright if I could slide ... I loved Mirror's Edge... It never got much hype, because not many people were that good at doing park-our/ scaling in first person. Its an acquired skill of... Thinking out what comes next. An some people are just slow and need third person.
I like third person games... Just sometimes... Just too easy. |
wathak 514
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.01 02:52:00 -
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Well i honestly dont see this game becoming a third person though i did love fallout socom and all those others but mabey somewhere in the future theyll let us have the choice of third person first person or over the shoulder. Mostly as if we ever are allowed to walk in stations id want third person for a couple fist fights |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2012.10.01 02:56:00 -
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Would be fun as an option for games in Gladiator Arena (E-sport) |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.10.01 03:10:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I usually prefer FPS over TPS, but if somehow this game turned into a TPS, I wouldn't have a problem as long as it works well as a TPS. Maybe then we could get stuff like rolling, and vaulting. Not a bad idea as parkour type stuff sucks in fpses |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.10.01 03:13:00 -
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Xiree wrote:Nope, third-person mode is a weak idea.
I've seen numerous posts about this already... It flakey, and lame idea. I hope they remove all the third person views... From vehicles and add some type of rear-view mirror side mirrors(like drones use).
It requires people to be more skillful... I like third person views, but they make the game incredibly easy, because you get a greater view. It requires less coherence, because you can see all around. First person requires you to be more perceptive.
If they would not had third person in tanks... No one would have used tanks... Just like in battlefield 3 until people figured out how to switch.
I understand why you want it though, because the game is so hard for you and you want it easier... But games are about acquiring skill and if its too easy, it becomes too kiddy.
I know you an yr lil pals like being sneaky, but if you and everyone else is in third person.. Then yr lil ability to sneak becomes pretty useless.
Yes i have a decent amount of war points and a kd over double because this game is to hard for me
Just cause yoy don't like a highly unlikely idea doesn't give you permission to troll it. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.01 03:15:00 -
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It would be interesting in an arena match with AI clones running around. The 3rd person camera would be a drone that follows a player controlled clone, and when that clone falls it could just hop to an AI one. Other than that, no I don't think Dust would make a good TPS. |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.10.01 03:17:00 -
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Xiree wrote:As for rolling and vaulting... You could do that in FPS... Games like Brink, Mirror's edge**... Utilized automated traversing methods(on the fly, vaulting, and scaling walls) . Even in Skyrim you can roll.
I'd be alright if I could slide ... I loved Mirror's Edge... It never got much hype, because not many people were that good at doing park-our/ scaling in first person. Its an acquired skill of... Thinking out what comes next. An some people are just slow and need third person.
I like third person games... Just sometimes... Just too easy.
It loses it's cinematic quality in fpses as you can't see what your character is doing |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.01 03:22:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Xiree wrote:As for rolling and vaulting... You could do that in FPS... Games like Brink, Mirror's edge**... Utilized automated traversing methods(on the fly, vaulting, and scaling walls) . Even in Skyrim you can roll.
I'd be alright if I could slide ... I loved Mirror's Edge... It never got much hype, because not many people were that good at doing park-our/ scaling in first person. Its an acquired skill of... Thinking out what comes next. An some people are just slow and need third person.
I like third person games... Just sometimes... Just too easy. It loses it's cinematic quality in fpses as you can't see what your character is doing It gain's a personal quality though. Mirrors Edge felt more like "I' was doing everything, where as games like Uncharted feel more like a story. The difference in PoV can make a big difference on the feel of a game. |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.10.01 03:26:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Xiree wrote:As for rolling and vaulting... You could do that in FPS... Games like Brink, Mirror's edge**... Utilized automated traversing methods(on the fly, vaulting, and scaling walls) . Even in Skyrim you can roll.
I'd be alright if I could slide ... I loved Mirror's Edge... It never got much hype, because not many people were that good at doing park-our/ scaling in first person. Its an acquired skill of... Thinking out what comes next. An some people are just slow and need third person.
I like third person games... Just sometimes... Just too easy. It loses it's cinematic quality in fpses as you can't see what your character is doing It gain's a personal quality though. Mirrors Edge felt more like "I' was doing everything, where as games like Uncharted feel more like a story. The difference in PoV can make a big difference on the feel of a game. Either way you get a cinema effect, but in third person you're not missing most of it |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2012.10.01 03:27:00 -
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TPS or FPS, I still want sliding, vaulting (over some reused elements like boxes), and rolling. Especially since I neve seen rolling in an FPS. |
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Vincam Velmoriar
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.01 04:17:00 -
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I loved MGO (2- I guess- MGS4). The gameplay is obviously miles apart, but the sneaking aspect of that game and cqc made good use of the third person view. And you still had AR's and SMG's and all that stuff. The angle didn't bother me, and you had the option to switch to 1st person while you were aiming. That was a fun game... |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.10.01 05:08:00 -
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Vincam Velmoriar wrote:I loved MGO (2- I guess- MGS4). The gameplay is obviously miles apart, but the sneaking aspect of that game and cqc made good use of the third person view. And you still had AR's and SMG's and all that stuff. The angle didn't bother me, and you had the option to switch to 1st person while you were aiming. That was a fun game... It did add a bit -f challenge to have to cycle views to aim properly |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.10.01 11:16:00 -
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Bump |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.10.02 02:01:00 -
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Bump |
Bishop Sunrunner
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.19 12:45:00 -
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Maybe an option would be nice, where players can switch which one to prefer their fit. And a shaky cam behind the player when hes running, would be awesome too... dont get me wrong, this game owns my ps3. its the only reason i switch my console on. but more changeable options would be rly great. |
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