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Zekain Kade
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Posted - 2012.09.24 01:15:00 -
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its a device you can equipment, and it'll explode when you die, killing all other infantry within it's radius.
Yea, that's going to ruin CQC combat.
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DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2012.09.24 01:19:00 -
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It will only kill noobs since it will likely have some kind of delay to it, it will also likely only one hit scouts. This just means when you kill someone, you need to watch out for any audible or visual queues that they're about to explode, and get the hell out of dodge. Also, this HAS to have friendly fire, I will laugh so damn hard the first time I see someone sniped while near their buddies, exploding and taking them all with him
I for one thing the T bag defense mechanism will be a fun and interesting addition to the game, and this coming from a CQC guy. |
Valmar Shadereaver
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Posted - 2012.09.24 01:22:00 -
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? friendly fire? doesent the name "smart" bomb mean it atleast has sensor's to not explode on allied contact? just my gues tho :p |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2012.09.24 01:25:00 -
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Valmar Shadereaver wrote:? friendly fire? doesent the name "smart" bomb mean it atleast has sensor's to not explode on allied contact? just my gues tho :p
You'd think, but smart bombs are anything but in EVE. They damage anything and everything around them, so you need to be really careful with them. Plus, you can't use them in High Security space without alerting CONCORD (I believe, can anyone confirm?) |
Zekain Kade
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Posted - 2012.09.24 01:26:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:It will only kill noobs since it will likely have some kind of delay to it, it will also likely only one hit scouts. This just means when you kill someone, you need to watch out for any audible or visual queues that they're about to explode, and get the hell out of dodge. Also, this HAS to have friendly fire, I will laugh so damn hard the first time I see someone sniped while near their buddies, exploding and taking them all with him I for one thing the T bag defense mechanism will be a fun and interesting addition to the game, and this coming from a CQC guy. We're talking about CCP here. They'll over buff the thing, then overly nerf once people start whining enough.
They said it would kill ANY infantry within it's range, so it's probably going to be as strong as an E3 remote detonator .
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Kira Lannister
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2012.09.24 01:28:00 -
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Smart Bomb: "Press B to launch one of these bombs and press B again to detonate."
~Starfox 64 |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2012.09.24 01:28:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:They said it would kill ANY infantry within it's range, so it's probably going to be as strong as an E3 remote detonator .
I think you're hanging too much on the light description that they've given us so far. I for one reserve all judgement until I actually see how the damn thing functions. It will likely have high CPU / PG requirements, meaning to put it on a cheap suit would severely gimp you, and putting it on a good suit means you're guaranteed to lose that ISK as opposed to being revived. I think it will be fine, I'll STILL ghost up on people and merc their face off, bomb or not. |
Zekain Kade
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Posted - 2012.09.24 01:30:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Zekain Kade wrote:They said it would kill ANY infantry within it's range, so it's probably going to be as strong as an E3 remote detonator .
I think you're hanging too much on the light description that they've given us so far. I for one reserve all judgement until I actually see how the damn thing functions. It will likely have high CPU / PG requirements, meaning to put it on a cheap suit would severely gimp you, and putting it on a good suit means you're guaranteed to lose that ISK as opposed to being revived. I think it will be fine, I'll STILL ghost up on people and merc their face off, bomb or not. People are going to run militia scouts with only a smart bomb.
Sci fi jihadding. once one gets' close enough, you're all going to die.
I would rather not see it be implemented at all. |
Jarre Jardox
Cool Story But It Needs More EVE
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Posted - 2012.09.24 01:31:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Valmar Shadereaver wrote:? friendly fire? doesent the name "smart" bomb mean it atleast has sensor's to not explode on allied contact? just my gues tho :p You'd think, but smart bombs are anything but in EVE. They damage anything and everything around them, so you need to be really careful with them. Plus, you can't use them in High Security space without alerting CONCORD (I believe, can anyone confirm?)
I don't think they r banned in hisec, I think u just get a warning wen u use one. However its really easy for u to accidentally get to close to someone then once u hit them with it Concord jumps in and insta pops u. |
Kira Lannister
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2012.09.24 01:32:00 -
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I'm going to drop down from a dropship onto an enemy objective without holding x! |
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STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.09.24 01:33:00 -
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I think 125 hp a blast would be a fair start for it |
Zekain Kade
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Posted - 2012.09.24 01:35:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:I think 125 hp a blast would be a fair start for it they will kill any and all infantry.
Which means it'll be strong enough to down a heavy.
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DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2012.09.24 01:35:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:People are going to run militia scouts with only a smart bomb.
Sci fi jihadding. once one gets' close enough, you're all going to die.
I would rather not see it be implemented at all.
I'll laugh my ass off, personally. Like I said, there will likely be a slight delay. I dunno, the reason I do so well is because I have very strong positional awareness, so once I know their blast radius and warning signs, they won't be much of a threat. Also, the AR users in my squad will hopefully be paying attention and killing their face off LONG before they get in range.
I think it's going to take a highly skilled dropsuit pilot, or really good / bad luck to make these things actually work in the grand scheme of things.
Zekain Kade wrote:they will kill any and all infantry.
Which means it'll be strong enough to down a heavy.
Dude, there's been next to no actual information on these things, you are seriously getting ahead of yourself on this one. |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.09.24 01:37:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:I think 125 hp a blast would be a fair start for it they will kill any and all infantry. Which means it'll be strong enough to down a heavy.
Says who? |
Varys Targaryen
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Posted - 2012.09.24 01:37:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:It will only kill noobs since it will likely have some kind of delay to it, it will also likely only one hit scouts. This just means when you kill someone, you need to watch out for any audible or visual queues that they're about to explode, and get the hell out of dodge. Also, this HAS to have friendly fire, I will laugh so damn hard the first time I see someone sniped while near their buddies, exploding and taking them all with himI for one thing the T bag defense mechanism will be a fun and interesting addition to the game, and this coming from a CQC guy.
Agreed. This was the first thing I thought of when I heard about the smart bomb. T'will be awesome.
Anyway, it's easy to overreact to something like this before actually seeing it because of games like COD. I imagine when the smart bomb launches, it will only have enough power to finish off a wounded enemy. As long as it's not an instakill cowadoody style explosion, then smart bombs will just add another dimension to CQC; not ruin CQC.
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Zekain Kade
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Posted - 2012.09.24 01:38:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Zekain Kade wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:I think 125 hp a blast would be a fair start for it they will kill any and all infantry. Which means it'll be strong enough to down a heavy. Says who? CCP said that smart bombs will be strong enough to kill any, and all infantry within it's ranger. That includes heavies. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2012.09.24 01:40:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Zekain Kade wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:I think 125 hp a blast would be a fair start for it they will kill any and all infantry. Which means it'll be strong enough to down a heavy. Says who? CCP said that smart bombs will be strong enough to kill any, and all infantry within it's ranger. That includes heavies.
Post your source, because all I've seen is a single line translated from IRC that said it will take out infantry. It didn't say how much damage. It didn't say what kind of blast radius. It didn't list stats. It was just a tiny little blurb.
Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill >_< |
Zekain Kade
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Posted - 2012.09.24 01:58:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Zekain Kade wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Zekain Kade wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:I think 125 hp a blast would be a fair start for it they will kill any and all infantry. Which means it'll be strong enough to down a heavy. Says who? CCP said that smart bombs will be strong enough to kill any, and all infantry within it's ranger. That includes heavies. Post your source, because all I've seen is a single line translated from IRC that said it will take out infantry. It didn't say how much damage. It didn't say what kind of blast radius. It didn't list stats. It was just a tiny little blurb. Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill >_< again, we're talking about CCP here. They like to overly buff new things. |
Longshot Ravenwood
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.24 02:02:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Zekain Kade wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:I think 125 hp a blast would be a fair start for it they will kill any and all infantry. Which means it'll be strong enough to down a heavy. Says who? CCP said that smart bombs will be strong enough to kill any, and all infantry within it's ranger. That includes heavies. Where was this said? I think I missed the post/dev blog/announcement video. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2012.09.24 02:13:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:again, we're talking about CCP here. They like to overly buff new things.
So what you're saying, is you're mad that testers are going to have to ::gasp:: test?
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STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.09.24 02:14:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Zekain Kade wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:I think 125 hp a blast would be a fair start for it they will kill any and all infantry. Which means it'll be strong enough to down a heavy. Says who? CCP said that smart bombs will be strong enough to kill any, and all infantry within it's ranger. That includes heavies. Cool story bro! Now show proof |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.09.24 02:44:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Valmar Shadereaver wrote:? friendly fire? doesent the name "smart" bomb mean it atleast has sensor's to not explode on allied contact? just my gues tho :p You'd think, but smart bombs are anything but in EVE. They damage anything and everything around them, so you need to be really careful with them. Plus, you can't use them in High Security space without alerting CONCORD (I believe, can anyone confirm?)
Yes, you can use smartbombs in high-sec space. You will get a warning when you activate it telling you that you might hit someone that is an innocent bystander. If a bystander is hit, Concord will come after you.
Funny, this reminds me of that one story about this one Megathron (battleship) pilot parking his ship in front of the undock gate at Jita 4-4 Caldari Navy Assembly Plant (the economic hub of New Eden) and then announcing on local that he is willing to freely give away this ship for free to anyone who boards it first as soon as he unboards it. Pretty soon a lot of eager capsuleers huddled around the battleship in their little pods like sperm ready to fertilize an egg.
but then...
==================== SMARTBOMB ACTIVATED ====================
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Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.09.24 02:46:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Zekain Kade wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Zekain Kade wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:I think 125 hp a blast would be a fair start for it they will kill any and all infantry. Which means it'll be strong enough to down a heavy. Says who? CCP said that smart bombs will be strong enough to kill any, and all infantry within it's ranger. That includes heavies. Cool story bro! Now show proof
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=35654&find=unread
Look under the section labeled: New Modules
It doesn't say ANY and ALL but it doesn't mention specifically enemy mercs either. |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.09.24 03:15:00 -
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CALL ME ATLAS NEXT BUILD! |
Fiasco Llana
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.24 03:17:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:its a device you can equipment, and it'll explode when you die, killing all other infantry within it's radius.
Yea, that's going to ruin CQC combat.
wanna-be CoD martyrdom. STOP TRYING TO MAKE THIS GAME INTO COD PEOPLE, AND NOT THE FISH! ugh. |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.09.24 03:22:00 -
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Fiasco Llana wrote:Zekain Kade wrote:its a device you can equipment, and it'll explode when you die, killing all other infantry within it's radius.
Yea, that's going to ruin CQC combat.
wanna-be CoD martyrdom. STOP TRYING TO MAKE THIS GAME INTO COD PEOPLE, AND NOT THE FISH! ugh. Teh lulz at rage +1 |
Fiasco Llana
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.24 03:37:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Fiasco Llana wrote:Zekain Kade wrote:its a device you can equipment, and it'll explode when you die, killing all other infantry within it's radius.
Yea, that's going to ruin CQC combat.
wanna-be CoD martyrdom. STOP TRYING TO MAKE THIS GAME INTO COD PEOPLE, AND NOT THE FISH! ugh. Teh lulz at rage +1
Wanna-be good player, you can't even pull off a 360 no-scope throwing knife quad from exactly 666 meters. What a scrub.
Seriously though, it's a bad idea. |
Icy Tiger
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Posted - 2012.09.24 03:44:00 -
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CCP got the Mass Driver right. If they can make it similar, it'll be fine. Hopefully it only kill you if you're right on the body or only within a half meter range. Also remember, this takes up a valuable slot. |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.09.24 03:46:00 -
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Fiasco Llana wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Fiasco Llana wrote:Zekain Kade wrote:its a device you can equipment, and it'll explode when you die, killing all other infantry within it's radius.
Yea, that's going to ruin CQC combat.
wanna-be CoD martyrdom. STOP TRYING TO MAKE THIS GAME INTO COD PEOPLE, AND NOT THE FISH! ugh. Teh lulz at rage +1 Wanna-be good player, you can't even pull off a 360 no-scope throwing knife quad from exactly 666 meters. What a scrub. Seriously though, it's a bad idea.
Wanna know what makes you the best player? Whining like a five year old through a headset.
Seriously, get a headset asap if you can |
Tyrael Valdare
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.24 05:02:00 -
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Wang said it "will not be a weapon that gets easy kills." At least read the stickies people.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=315202#post315202 |
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STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.09.24 05:04:00 -
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IN YOUR FACE KADE! |
xprotoman23
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.09.24 05:07:00 -
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cool lets bring martyrdom to DUST |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.09.24 05:12:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:cool lets bring martyrdom to DUST Please tell me you're joking? |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2012.09.24 05:13:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Valmar Shadereaver wrote:? friendly fire? doesent the name "smart" bomb mean it atleast has sensor's to not explode on allied contact? just my gues tho :p You'd think, but smart bombs are anything but in EVE. They damage anything and everything around them, so you need to be really careful with them. Plus, you can't use them in High Security space without alerting CONCORD (I believe, can anyone confirm?)
i think it will prob be player controlled like how ppl could detonate REs while in a bleedout state i think the same would be the case for the smart bomb
i for one look forward to it, its gonna be funny when ppl go in for the teabag and get blown up lol when FF gets turned on the trollin and lulz that will happen omg lol |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.09.24 05:18:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Valmar Shadereaver wrote:? friendly fire? doesent the name "smart" bomb mean it atleast has sensor's to not explode on allied contact? just my gues tho :p You'd think, but smart bombs are anything but in EVE. They damage anything and everything around them, so you need to be really careful with them. Plus, you can't use them in High Security space without alerting CONCORD (I believe, can anyone confirm?) i think it will prob be player controlled like how ppl could detonate REs while in a bleedout state i think the same would be the case for the smart bomb i for one look forward to it, its gonna be funny when ppl go in for the teabag and get blown up lol when FF gets turned on the trollin and lulz that will happen omg lol Good game earlier, i think that was my only time playing against you |
Ieukoplast
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
169
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Posted - 2012.09.24 05:27:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:its a device you can equipment, and it'll explode when you die, killing all other infantry within it's radius.
Yea, that's going to ruin CQC combat.
This smart bomb thing sure sounds an awful lot like martyrdom in the COD games.
Depending on what slot it uses up and how wide a radius it has, abuse potential is high.
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STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.09.24 05:29:00 -
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Ieukoplast wrote:Zekain Kade wrote:its a device you can equipment, and it'll explode when you die, killing all other infantry within it's radius.
Yea, that's going to ruin CQC combat.
This smart bomb thing sure sounds an awful lot like martyrdom in the COD games. Depending on what slot it uses up and how wide a radius it has, abuse potential is high. He's more than likely exaggerating |
Ieukoplast
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.24 05:36:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Ieukoplast wrote:Zekain Kade wrote:its a device you can equipment, and it'll explode when you die, killing all other infantry within it's radius.
Yea, that's going to ruin CQC combat.
This smart bomb thing sure sounds an awful lot like martyrdom in the COD games. Depending on what slot it uses up and how wide a radius it has, abuse potential is high. He's more than likely exaggerating
I read about this somewhere on the forums from some official post, and as soon as I read it I immediately thought "martyrdom".
Seems like that is exactly what it is, you die and then explode after a certain period of time, not at all unlike in COD where you can drop a live grenade when you die. Essentially the exact same concept.
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STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.09.24 05:38:00 -
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Ieukoplast wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Ieukoplast wrote:Zekain Kade wrote:its a device you can equipment, and it'll explode when you die, killing all other infantry within it's radius.
Yea, that's going to ruin CQC combat.
This smart bomb thing sure sounds an awful lot like martyrdom in the COD games. Depending on what slot it uses up and how wide a radius it has, abuse potential is high. He's more than likely exaggerating I read about this somewhere on the forums from some official post, and as soon as I read it I immediately thought "martyrdom". Seems like that is exactly what it is, you die and then explode after a certain period of time, not at all unlike in COD where you can drop a live grenade when you die. Essentially the exact same concept.
But a gm said it won't be a lolEasyKilll on a link in this thread |
xprotoman23
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.09.24 05:44:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:cool lets bring martyrdom to DUST
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Ieukoplast
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.24 05:56:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:
But a gm said it won't be a lolEasyKilll on a link in this thread
Well that's good news. Let's hope it's effective only under ideal conditions, otherwise every FPS player who has ever played COD will be on this like flies on stink.
My guess is that it will be mostly useless on large map objective type games, but once you venture into those tight corridor TDM matches, it may become a problem.
Either way should be interesting to see what happens with it. Wonder what variations its going to have? (aside from standard, advanced, prototype stuff. As in are we going to have variations that explode the instant somebody dies? (kind of like the thukker grenade explode on impact stuff vs delayed fuse grenades). Cause I could see the insta-explode being much more prone to abuse and overuse. |
Sparten 269
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
89
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Posted - 2012.09.24 05:57:00 -
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Fiasco Llana wrote:
Wanna-be good player, you can't even pull off a 360 no-scope throwing knife quad from exactly 666 meters. What a scrub.
Seriously though, it's a bad idea.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=Lrr_VVtyUA8&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DLrr_VVtyUA8 |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2283
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Posted - 2012.09.24 05:58:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Mavado V Noriega wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Valmar Shadereaver wrote:? friendly fire? doesent the name "smart" bomb mean it atleast has sensor's to not explode on allied contact? just my gues tho :p You'd think, but smart bombs are anything but in EVE. They damage anything and everything around them, so you need to be really careful with them. Plus, you can't use them in High Security space without alerting CONCORD (I believe, can anyone confirm?) i think it will prob be player controlled like how ppl could detonate REs while in a bleedout state i think the same would be the case for the smart bomb i for one look forward to it, its gonna be funny when ppl go in for the teabag and get blown up lol when FF gets turned on the trollin and lulz that will happen omg lol Good game earlier, i think that was my only time playing against you
lol yea ggs u guys move like a pack of hungry wolves always together lol it was just me and 1 other guy and well he was my sniper so not really much we could of done that ambush game usually hate rollin with only 2 ppl in squad for that very reason lol |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.09.24 05:58:00 -
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Ieukoplast wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:
But a gm said it won't be a lolEasyKilll on a link in this thread
Well that's good news. Let's hope it's effective only under ideal conditions, otherwise every FPS player who has ever played COD will be on this like flies on stink. My guess is that it will be mostly useless on large map objective type games, but once you venture into those tight corridor TDM matches, it may become a problem. Either way should be interesting to see what happens with it. Wonder what variations its going to have? (aside from standard, advanced, prototype stuff. As in are we going to have variations that explode the instant somebody dies? (kind of like the thukker grenade explode on impact stuff vs delayed fuse grenades). Cause I could see the insta-explode being much more prone to abuse and overuse. Well it will mostly likely have specifics such as anti shield and anti armor |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.09.24 06:01:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Mavado V Noriega wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Valmar Shadereaver wrote:? friendly fire? doesent the name "smart" bomb mean it atleast has sensor's to not explode on allied contact? just my gues tho :p You'd think, but smart bombs are anything but in EVE. They damage anything and everything around them, so you need to be really careful with them. Plus, you can't use them in High Security space without alerting CONCORD (I believe, can anyone confirm?) i think it will prob be player controlled like how ppl could detonate REs while in a bleedout state i think the same would be the case for the smart bomb i for one look forward to it, its gonna be funny when ppl go in for the teabag and get blown up lol when FF gets turned on the trollin and lulz that will happen omg lol Good game earlier, i think that was my only time playing against you lol yea ggs u guys move like a pack of hungry wolves always together lol it was just me and 1 other guy and well he was my sniper so not really much we could of done that ambush game usually hate rollin with only 2 ppl in squad for that very reason lol Lol it was leader orders and you DO NOT want to disobey Quick. At least killing you a couple times got me my props |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.09.24 06:02:00 -
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On the contrary, i do |
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